‘International Jewry’? What was that prior to 1939? And what is it now?

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been-there wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:56 pm


Anyway, it looks like this other forbidden, protected and largely buried aspect of Jewish history is about to be resurrected.
A film is being made of the Damuscus case of ritual murder by Jews in 1840.

The Arab answer to Schindler’s List.
In 1983, the Syrian Minister of Defense Mustafa Tlass, one of the pillars of the Syrian Ba’athist regime, wrote the book Matzah of Zion, in which he describes [the Damascus Case]... Minister Tlass presented his accusation as a historical fact and even declared in an interview...with Der Spiegel[43], that his book is ‘an historical study...based on documents from France, Vienna and the American University in Beirut.’ The U.S. Secretary of State, George Schultz, instructed the American ambassador in Damascus to meet with Minister Tlass and to protest the publication of the book, but Tlass refused to meet,,, claiming that he had ‘nothing to say to him.

Matzah of Zion: the movie.
...the Egyptian weekly, Roz-Al-Yussuf reports that Egyptian producer, Munir Radhi, is making a film adaptation of the book... According to Roz Al- Yussuf[44] Minister Tlass asked Radhi: ‘Aren’t you afraid of what might happen to you... because the book openly accuses the Zionist movement of being behind the assassinations of people who exposed the Zionist conspiracy right from the start?’
Radhi responded that he was not afraid, and the project got on its way.
...Roz Al-Yussuf reported that Egyptian actor Omar Al-Sharif, best known for his role in Dr. Zhivago is a candidate for the lead role, and that two other Egyptian actors will appear in the film.

The goal: an answer to Schindler’s List.
It has not yet been decided whether the film will have the same title as the book on which it is based, The Matzah of Zion, or whether it will be changed to Harari’s List, after the name of the head of the Jewish community in Damascus who was accused of murdering Father Tomasa to use his blood for baking Matzahs.
...The plot is based on the true story of the murder of the priest, who is portrayed in the film as an amiable character, who loved life and took part in the holidays and the celebrations of the people of Damascus and solved their everyday problems.
...The script will expose much more horrible things than this loathsome crime: the connection between Western colonialism and the Zionist movement, and the way in which the Jews were used in colonialist conspiracies... will be exposed through documents found by the movie’s heroes when they are investigating the murder of Father Tomasa.”
Sorry to spoil your excitement, but considering the above quote is from 19 years ago and Omar Sharif has been dead 5 years , then I suggest you can put the popcorn and tissues away for now .

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Lupus Rothstein wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:54 pm
been-there wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:56 pm


Anyway, it looks like this other forbidden, protected and largely buried aspect of Jewish history is about to be resurrected.
A film is being made of the Damuscus case of ritual murder by Jews in 1840.

Matzah of Zion: the movie.
...the Egyptian weekly, Roz-Al-Yussuf reports that Egyptian producer, Munir Radhi, is making a film adaptation of the book...
...Roz Al-Yussuf reported that Egyptian actor Omar Al-Sharif, best known for his role in Dr. Zhivago is a candidate for the lead role, and that two other Egyptian actors will appear in the film.

The goal: an answer to Schindler’s List.
It has not yet been decided whether the film will have the same title as the book on which it is based, The Matzah of Zion, or whether it will be changed to Harari’s List, after the name of the head of the Jewish community in Damascus who was accused of murdering Father Tomasa to use his blood for baking Matzahs.

...The script will expose much more horrible things than this loathsome crime: the connection between Western colonialism and the Zionist movement, and the way in which the Jews were used in colonialist conspiracies... will be exposed through documents found by the movie’s heroes when they are investigating the murder of Father Tomasa.”
Sorry to spoil your excitement, but considering the above quote is from 19 years ago and Omar Sharif has been dead 5 years...
No "excitement" spoiled. Thanks for the correction. I hadn't seen that the quote was that old.

Looks like the film was never made then...?
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been-there wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:20 pm
Lupus Rothstein wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:54 pm
been-there wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:56 pm


Anyway, it looks like this other forbidden, protected and largely buried aspect of Jewish history is about to be resurrected.
A film is being made of the Damuscus case of ritual murder by Jews in 1840.

Matzah of Zion: the movie.
...the Egyptian weekly, Roz-Al-Yussuf reports that Egyptian producer, Munir Radhi, is making a film adaptation of the book...
...Roz Al-Yussuf reported that Egyptian actor Omar Al-Sharif, best known for his role in Dr. Zhivago is a candidate for the lead role, and that two other Egyptian actors will appear in the film.

The goal: an answer to Schindler’s List.
It has not yet been decided whether the film will have the same title as the book on which it is based, The Matzah of Zion, or whether it will be changed to Harari’s List, after the name of the head of the Jewish community in Damascus who was accused of murdering Father Tomasa to use his blood for baking Matzahs.

...The script will expose much more horrible things than this loathsome crime: the connection between Western colonialism and the Zionist movement, and the way in which the Jews were used in colonialist conspiracies... will be exposed through documents found by the movie’s heroes when they are investigating the murder of Father Tomasa.”
Sorry to spoil your excitement, but considering the above quote is from 19 years ago and Omar Sharif has been dead 5 years...
No "excitement" spoiled. Thanks for the correction. I hadn't seen that the quote was that old.

Looks like the film was never made then...?
No doubt the Jews saw to that :lol:

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Lupus Rothstein wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:37 pm
No doubt the Jews saw to that :lol:
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The cover of The Matzah of Zion
As Told By The Late Syrian Defense Minister Mustafa Tlass
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The Matzah of Zion
A back ground to this interesting piece of history is needed.
"During the 1830s, Muhammad 'Ali, the ruler of Egypt on behalf of the Ottoman Empire, managed to unite Syria with Egypt [thus ruling both]. This sparked a grave international crisis because of the dangers this unification posed to European interests… During this stormy time, Damascus was shocked by a terrible crime – the priest Tomas Al-Kaboushi [the Capuchin] fell victim to a group of Jews who sought to drain his blood to prepare baked goods for their Yom Kippur holiday [sic]."

"This crime was not the first of its kind. The West had known many similar crimes, as had Czarist Russia. Some of these were exposed and reported in the protocols of investigations, despite all the efforts to eradicate them and hide their traces… Thus, the crime of the murder of the priest Tomas and his servant was not the first of its kind and certainly will not be the last. Yet this event had some unique elements due to the political circumstances at the time."

"The Cairo and Damascus authorities expressed great interest in the abhorrent crime, and the French Consul [in Damascus] participated in the investigation because the [victim] most treacherously murdered was a French subject. In addition to the loathsome crime itself, the investigation revealed grave issues regarding its motives, linked to the precepts of the Jewish religion, as set out in the Talmud..."

The Jews' Attempt To Hide Their Crime

"[Following the exposure of the crime], the Jews caused a great uproar everywhere. Their leaders and supporters beat down the doors of the European and American rulers to [urge them] to intervene, to wipe out the traces of the crime, and to acquit the Jews of the charge. And, as happens today, the Jews carry out a crime, after which they stir up a storm in the world and do not settle for acquittal but even exploit the opportunity to gain profit."

"They [convinced] the Austrian consul to intervene in the investigation in favor of some of the accused, on the pretext that they were Austrian subjects… Similarly, they exploited the tolerance of the Egyptian authorities and the French consul [in Istanbul], and contacted the accused to urge them to deny [all charges]. They pressured those of the accused who confessed and threatened them so they would withdraw their confessions… Similarly, the national authorities [in Syria], which oversaw the investigation, were accused of using torture to extract confessions from the accused [Jews]… If indeed torture took place, it was the acts of individuals with no connection whatsoever to Islamic law. Similarly, torture aimed at extracting confessions was an accepted method in those days in Europe and America, and it would be no exaggeration to say that it is still customary in these countries today."

"[Furthermore], the Jewish leaders in Europe and America swung into action, and exploited their financial and media influence to urge the great powers to intervene in their favor. They activated their supporters in Parliament and the press, organized support demonstrations, and sent off prominent European Jews [to help the accused]. By these means, the Jews managed to extract a firman [a ruler's order] in their favor. [However,] the Jews did not settle for this, but sought to wipe out what was written on Father Tomas's grave in the Franciscan church: 'Here lie the bones of the Capuchin missionary Father Tomas, murdered by the Jews on February 5, 1840'…"

Why Do The Jews Get Away With Murder


"The 1840 incident recurred several times in the 20th century when the Zionists carried out the mass crimes in Palestine and Lebanon – acts that shocked the conscience of good people all over the world and were condemned by world public opinion. But each time, the Zionist financial, media, and political influence managed to pacify the anger and distract the people from these crimes. Instead of being punished, the Zionists received a reward...: great financial aid and horrifying stockpiles of advanced weaponry. Instead of one Muhammad 'Ali in the 19th century... they found several Muhammad 'Alis [in the 20th century]."

"The crime took place in Damascus, a city of tolerance and peace, just as many similar [crimes] took place in other parts of the world. How [could] this happen while the Jews are just a tiny minority in the heart of the societies in which they live? How have these societies ignored this hate-saturated minority?… Perhaps the atmosphere of tolerance instituted by the Muslim Arabs is what allowed the Jews to live in complete freedom in the Muslim Arab lands. The Jews knew these countries well. They isolated themselves so as to surround themselves with mystery, so the Muslim world knew almost nothing about them. Thus, it is not surprising that Damascus was shocked by this loathsome crime. [However], it rapidly overcame its ignorance about [the Jews]... and now every mother warns [her son]: 'Be careful not to stray far from home, lest the Jew comes, puts you in his sack, takes you, and slaughters you and drains your blood in order to prepare the 'matza of Zion' [the Passover matzos].' Generation after generation has passed on this message of the 'treachery of the Jews.'" With jews you lose, your life.

"[In the meantime] a state arose for the Jews in Al-Sham [Greater Syria]. But has the Jewish enmity disappeared, or do the precepts of the Talmud – with all their crimes and distortions - continue to play their hate-filled role against humanity and the society around the Jews? Monitoring the daily events in the occupied territories proves, beyond a doubt, that what is called 'Zionist racism' is only the continuation and refinement of Talmudic precepts…"

"With the publication of this book, I intended to illuminate some of the secrets of the Jewish religion by [describing] the actions of the Jews, their blind and repugnant fanaticism regarding their belief, and the implementation of the Talmudic precepts compiled in the Diaspora by their rabbis who distorted the principles of the Jewish belief (the religious law of the Prophet Moses), as it is said in the Koran.
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More on Jewish ideas about the potency and protective power of sacrificial blood.

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PESACH (Passover) In this year 2020, Pesach starts 8th April and lasts for seven days.

In the Book of Exodus, there is a mythological narrative that teaches Hebrews how Yahweh their tribal deity — who they believed was also the one and only TOP God in a heirarchy of divine beings — had a favouritism towards Hebrew humans above all creatures in Earth.
This deity is supposed to have interceded in mundane affairs in order to assist the Hebrews escape from slavery in ancient Egypt.
This is said to have been accomplished by Yahweh sending ten plagues which afflicted just the Egyptians. The final plague caused the deaths of all the first-born children of every Egyptian family.

Prior to the divinely ordered deathly visitation, the Hebrews were informed by their deity that if they smeared their doorposts of their homes with the blood of ritually sacrificed newborn lambs then the death-causing spirit of their deity would 'pass over' their homes and NOT visit death upon them.

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The irony is there is evidence that not only were the Hebrew people never in captivity in Egypt, but they also never had an Exodus.
Why is there no evidence of the Exodus?
According to biblical scripture the Hebrews led by the patriarch Moses took his formerly enslaved people out of Egypt during the reign of Rameses II.
The history of Rameses is exceptionally well documented AND there is scant evidence of any such event.
Further the scriptures tell us that Moses took his followers, numbering in the tens of thousands on a 40 year trek around what we today call the middle east.
No archeological evidence of any such diaspora has ever been found in any of the likely locations that this long event would have been situated and no historical documentation exists from any of the many different peoples that such an event would have affected.
Why is this?
Caanan, the alleged eventual destination of the Hebrews was under Egyptian control during this period so their arrival there would certainly have raised eyebrows among the Egyptian officials governing the province.
Prof Shlomo Sand argues that the ancestry of most contemporary Jews stems mainly from outside the Land of Israel and that a "nation-race" of Jews with a common origin never existed. That just as most Christians and Muslims are the progeny of converted people — not of the first Christians and Muslims — Jews are also descended from converts. According to Sand, Judaism was originally, like its two cousins, a proselytising religion, and mass conversions to Judaism occurred among the Khazars in the Caucasus, Berber tribes in North Africa, and in the Himyarite Kingdom of the Arabian Peninsula.

According to Sand, the original Jews living in Israel — contrary to popular belief — were not exiled by the Romans following the Bar Kokhba revolt. The Romans permitted most Jews to remain in the country. Rather, the story of the exile was a myth promoted by early Christians to recruit Jews to the new faith. They portrayed that event as a divine punishment imposed on the Jews for having rejected the Christian gospel. Sand writes that "Christians wanted later generations of Jews to believe that their ancestors had been exiled as a punishment from God." Following the Arab conquest of Palestine in the 7th century, many local Jews converted to Islam and were assimilated among the Arab conquerors. Sand concludes that these converts are the ancestors of the contemporary Palestinians.
In 2009, Shlomo Sand published The invention of the Jewish people, in which he claimed that Jews have little in common with each other. They had no common "ethnic" lineage owing to the high level of conversion in antiquity. They had no common language, since Hebrew was used only for prayer and was not even spoken at the time of Jesus. Yiddish was, at most, the language of Ashkenazi Jews.
So what is left to unite them?
Religion? But religion does not make a people — think of Muslims and Catholics. And most Jews are not religious.
Zionism? But that is a political position: one can be a Scot and not a Scottish nationalist. Besides, the majority of Jews, including many Zionists, have not the slightest intention of going "back" to the Holy Land, much preferring, and who can blame them, to stay put in north London, or Brooklyn or wherever.
In other words, "Jewish people" is a political construct, an invention. Now Sand tells us, in this second volume of what will be a trilogy, that even the "Land of Israel" was invented. Readers who happen to be Jewish should brace themselves for the third volume: The invention of the secular Jew.
All this takes considerable chutzpah.
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The "Land of Israel" is barely mentioned in the Old Testament: the more common expression is the Land of Canaan. When it is mentioned, it does not include Jerusalem, Hebron, or Bethlehem. Biblical "Israel" is only northern Israel (Samaria) and there never was a united kingdom including both ancient Judea and Samaria.

Even had such a kingdom ever existed and been promised by God to the Jews, it is hardly a clinching argument for claiming statehood after more than 2,000 years. It is an irony of history that so many past Zionists, most of whom were secular Jews, often socialist, used religious arguments to buttress their case.

Besides, the biblical account makes it quite clear (insofar as such accounts are ever clear) that the Jews, led by Moses and then by Joshua, were colonisers themselves and were commanded by God to exterminate "anything that breathes".
"Completely destroy them – the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites – as the Lord your God has commanded you."

Imagine if the Amorites came back and claimed their ancient land. If they did, this is what Deuteronomy 20 has to say: "Put to the sword all the men ... As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else ... you may take these as plunder for yourselves". Today, such an injunction would take you straight to the international criminal court.

Demystifying what the French call le roman national [the national narrative] seems to be today one of the major tasks of historians (once they used to write it). This can be an uphill struggle, yet it is to the credit of the Israeli book-reading public that Sand's previous book, The Invention of the Jewish People became a bestseller. Truth-telling may be painful but necessary.
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Of course Christianity is just another invention by these people. While Jesus may have live and died by crucifixion the name is so common it must have happened. Jesus or Yeshua is known as Joshua today. These people, sand dwellers, the Habiru are great at making myth and stories become history. The Habiru were fierce nomads feared by the Egyptians, having come from the Caucasus; the name eventually morphed into Hebrew. In the days when Habiru were wandering the Sinai and other parts of the middle east, it is most likely the area was a green belt, a real treasured land; the rest of Europe was retreating ice. From their perspective this was a resource, a real Garden of Eden.

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Huntinger wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:37 pm
... These people, sand dwellers, the Habiru are great at making myth and stories become history. The Habiru were fierce nomads feared by the Egyptians, having come from the Caucasus; the name eventually morphed into Hebrew. In the days when Habiru were wandering the Sinai and other parts of the middle east...
Ashkenazi and Sephardi ‘Jews’ were NOT Habiru or Hebrews. They are descendants from Eastern European converts.
Judaism was originally, like [Christianity and Islam], a proselytising religion. Mass conversions to Judaism occurred among the Khazars in the Caucasus, the Berber tribes in North Africa, and in the Himyarite Kingdom of the Arabian Peninsula...
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Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:15 pm
Ashkenazi and Sephardi ‘Jews’ were NOT Habiru or Hebrews. They are descendants from Eastern European converts.
It is accepted that Ashkenazi were from Khazaria; these people adopted Judaism as their religion; as such they identify themselves with the early Habiru. It appears that the Habiru came into contact with the Khazars near the Caucasus at one point of another. As you may imagine that was so long ago there are only glimpses of historical clues. The real clues come of course in DNA markers.
The Khazars certainly existed, though not much is known about them. However, the story (or myth) of their conversion to Judaism has seized the imagination of generations of writers, from Judah Halevi, whose 12th-century classic The Kuzari is a philosophical dialogue between a Khazar king and the rabbi who convinces him of the truth of Judaism, to Michael Chabon, who considered calling his 2007 novel Gentlemen of the Road “Jews with Swords.”
Eran Elhaik is an accomplished scientist who has apparently come to the same conclusion through sophisticated statistical analysis of the salient genetic data. In his view, this proves that most contemporary Jews are descendants of the Khazars.

As can be imagined the Khazar hypothesis evokes much emotion; as said they are not descended from the original Habiru but converts.

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There are interesting speculations (expounded by some Arab "historians" - I put it in quotes because their way of doing history is different than in the West) out there that the ancient bible stories were about tribes in the Arabia peninsula. The story, for instance, about Egypt was an aggrandizement of the tales by the writers of the Septuagint in about the 3rd century BC (by associating themselves with ancient Egypt) - who, in this speculation, were descended from those Arabian tribes who eventually ended up in what is today Israel after their return from enslavement in Babylon. It was really a tale about small chieftains in the Arabian desert - the leaders were called Faros or something like that. That was conflated with Egyptian kings. IIRC, those Arabian tribes were defeated by the Akkadians and sent as slaves back to Babylon (or was it north of there, I might be a little off on the exact places/peoples involved)? They were then returned to the Arabian peninsula - eventually migrating to the Levant (today's Israel) after the Arabian trade routes usage dried up. But they were originally Arabians - with little to no involvement with Ancient Egypt. They were slaving, warring tribes of desert middleman traders along the desert trade route of the time (Egypt did NOT have slavery at that time).

An inexpensive book that touches on these themes is:

Egypt knew neither Pharaoh nor Moses by Ashraf Ezzat.

It was called "Egypt Knew No Pharaohs Nor Israelites" when I bought it but it looks like the name has changed. It's somewhat poorly written in a broken English and a bit poorly reasoned but has some intriguing ideas in there. And he references some Arab scholars who wrote similar things in the '80s - although his references are very poorly cited (one of the reasons I've called the book "somewhat poorly written" - in addition to the poor English). I think it was only $5 when I bought it too; it looks to be $7 now. But for $7, it is a cheap introduction to such themes. I could look into who the '80s Arab "historians" propounding these ideas were if anyone is interested; I can't recall any names off the top of my head. Their history is somewhat shoddy but the ideas are intriguing. Well worth looking into. Some Western scholars consider these ideas (or similar ones) to possibly have some merit. The Septuagint stories seem to align more with Arabian desert societies than any Egyptian society of any time. Nothing "fits" between those bible stories and what is known of the ostensible places they are alleged to have occurred in. The names in the bible appear to correspond to places in Arabia - both linguistically and geographically.

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The names in the bible appear to correspond to places in Arabia - both linguistically
Ralph Ellis would disagree with you. See pages 36-47 on googlebooks

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