Mass pyres, how did they work?

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http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... speak.html

Heinrich Gley (SS Oberscharführer)

"I was assigned with a big Jewish work brigade to the cremation of the corpses by means of railway lines which served as a grate. About 80-90 Jews then worked under my supervision in three shifts.
The rails were placed on top of big rocks and narrow gauge rails served as a cross-mesh. The cremation surface could take about 200 corpses. First a wood fire was kindled under the iron grate.
During the course of the cremation operation the corpses later served as the only fuel. From time to time the badly twisted rails had to be replaced by new ones."

Franz Stangl (SS-Hauptsturmführer)

"It must have been at the beginning of 1943 that is when the excavators were brought in. Using these excavators, the corpses were removed from the huge ditches which had been used until then for burial. The old corpses were burned on the roasters, along with the new bodies of new arrivals to the camp.
During the transition to the new system, Wirth came to Treblinka. As I recall Wirth spoke of a Standartenfuhrer who had experience in burning corpses. Wirth told me that according to the Standartenfuhrer’s experience corpses could be burned on a roaster, and it would work marvellously.
I know that in the beginning in Treblinka they used rails from the trolley to build the cremation grill. But it turned out that these were too weak and bent in the heat. They were replaced with real railroad rails."

"When the cremation grates were there, fire was kindled in the corpse pits to cremate the corpses on top… such a fire in one grave resulted from the gas from the corpses. Big tall flames shot up and there was an enormous mushroom cloud."

Heinrich Matthes (SS-Scharführer)

"At that time SS-Oberscharfuhrer or Hauptscharfuhrer Herbert Floss who, as I assume, was previously in another extermination camp, arrived. He was in charge of the arrangements for cremating the corpses. The cremation took place in such a way that railway lines and concrete blocks were placed together.
The corpses were piled on these rails. Brushwood was put under the rails. The wood was doused with petrol. In that way not only the newly accumulated corpses were cremated, but also those taken out from the graves."
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Nessie wrote:
During the course of the cremation operation the corpses later served as the only fuel.
Cremation is exothermic. Corpses can't act as fuel. Gley's statement is obviously coerced.
It must have been at the beginning of 1943 that is when the excavators were brought in. Using these excavators, the corpses were removed from the huge ditches which had been used until then for burial. The old corpses were burned on the roasters, along with the new bodies of new arrivals to the camp.
Where did Stangl get the fuel to cremate the cadavers? Cadavers can't be cremated without fuel. Stangl is obviously being coerced.
The corpses were piled on these rails. Brushwood was put under the rails. The wood was doused with petrol. In that way not only the newly accumulated corpses were cremated, but also those taken out from the graves.
Brushwood with some petrol isn't sufficient fuel to cremate a pile of cadavers. How many times do you have to be told that human cadavers aren't flammable? What is it about the word, "exothermic" don't you understand, Nessie? People who claim that cremations are possible without sufficient fuel are either lying or being coerced into lying.

You must show an adequate fuel source for the magic Jew barbeque. No matter how many lies, coerced or not, you produce doesn't change the fact that fuel is necessary to cremate a cadaver. Until you can show the source of that fuel...

No cremains, no graves, no holyhoax. Finito. End of story.

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Nessie:
not only the newly accumulated corpses were cremated, but also those taken out from the graves.


Nessie,

Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits were dug at Treblinka II which were utilized as mass graves - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?


Nessie,

Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits deeper than 3.5 meters currently exist at Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?
In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Turnagain wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:13 pm
Nessie wrote:
During the course of the cremation operation the corpses later served as the only fuel.
Cremation is exothermic. Corpses can't act as fuel. Gley's statement is obviously coerced.
It must have been at the beginning of 1943 that is when the excavators were brought in. Using these excavators, the corpses were removed from the huge ditches which had been used until then for burial. The old corpses were burned on the roasters, along with the new bodies of new arrivals to the camp.
Where did Stangl get the fuel to cremate the cadavers? Cadavers can't be cremated without fuel. Stangl is obviously being coerced.
The corpses were piled on these rails. Brushwood was put under the rails. The wood was doused with petrol. In that way not only the newly accumulated corpses were cremated, but also those taken out from the graves.
Brushwood with some petrol isn't sufficient fuel to cremate a pile of cadavers. How many times do you have to be told that human cadavers aren't flammable? What is it about the word, "exothermic" don't you understand, Nessie? People who claim that cremations are possible without sufficient fuel are either lying or being coerced into lying.

You must show an adequate fuel source for the magic Jew barbeque. No matter how many lies, coerced or not, you produce doesn't change the fact that fuel is necessary to cremate a cadaver. Until you can show the source of that fuel...

No cremains, no graves, no holyhoax. Finito. End of story.
Human fat acts as fuel.
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Nessie wrote:
Human fat acts as fuel.
Just curious but are you insane?

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Turnagain wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:12 am
Nessie wrote:
Human fat acts as fuel.
Just curious but are you insane?
This whole issue has been dealt with before with calculations. Basically the amount of energy needed to dehydrate a body is 100MJ, the energy in the fat is about 20MJ, a fifth of what is needed. Even if the fat did ignite, only a small amount of water 12 litres on a totally efficient system could be lost, this means extra fuel is needed to evaporate or boil the other 48 litres.
It will keep on posting the same crap day after day to get a response.
Fat can supply some energy but no where near the amount to cremate someone. As you said, if bodies could burn by themselves then the cremation industry is a hoax. I know who is the failure in this argument and it is not the people who cremate.


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Turnagain wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:12 am
Nessie wrote:
Human fat acts as fuel.
Just curious but are you insane?
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/co ... ck-effect/

"The old woman's body fat served as a fuel source for the slow burn from the cigarette, with the nightgown serving as the wick. As the body burned, the melting fat seeped into the clothing, and the long chains of hydrocarbons that make up human fat provided the energy to consume the body "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/158853.stm

"Dr John de Haan of the California Criminalistic Institute used a dead pig in a gruesome experiment to show that small flames can consume a human being with the help of burning body fat."

That was why the obese body set the crematorium on fire, the fat in the body acted as extra fuel. Witnesses described how fatter people and females burned better on the pyres. The wood is there to set the first bodies on fire. They then burn from the human fat and that fire spreads around the pyre as the other bodies burned.

That is why I suggested the analogy of piling meat onto a BBQ and then lighting the BBQ. If you then leave the BBQ, the meat will catch fire and burn.

It does not matter that you are incredulous, there is evidence it happened and how it happened.
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Nessie wrote:
It does not matter that you are incredulous, there is evidence it happened and how it happened.
Yep, Nessie is obviously insane. First he employs the wick method of cremating a body although the Jews were supposedly cremated naked. He then presents a single case of a morbidly obese woman of 440 lbs whose body fat caused an excess of flames in the crematorium while she was being cremated as an example of how the magic Jew barbeque supposedly functioned.

What is it about the statement, "Cremation is an exothermic reaction" that you don't understand, Nessie? Bodies burning from the wick effect is a very rare occurrence. What don't you understand about the fact that the 440 lb woman was being cremated in a fuel using crematorium? You truly appear to be insane.

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Huntinger wrote:
This whole issue has been dealt with before with calculations. Basically the amount of energy needed to dehydrate a body is 100MJ, the energy in the fat is about 20MJ, a fifth of what is needed.
The issue has been dealt with empirically for thousands of years. More precise measurements have recently become available but I would guess that such calculations have more to do with the economics of cremation rather than the fact fuel is required to cremate a cadaver. My only explanation for Nessie's continued claim that cadavers are flammable is that Nessie has let his fanaticism drive him 'round the bend. He's gone nutzoid and simply refuses to accept reality. So it goes in Nessie's la-la land.

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Nessie:
It does not matter that you are incredulous, there is evidence it happened and how it happened.

Nessie,

Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits were dug at Treblinka II which were utilized as mass graves - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?


Nessie,

Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits deeper than 3.5 meters currently exist at Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?
In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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