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Alonso wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:36 pm
Unfortunately this thread hasn't helped very much so far. As of now, all I can say to my fellow NGO workers is that opponents of immigration have just enough intelligence to insult people who ask questions, but not enough to differentiate between asking questions and expressing opinions.
Alonso asked questions about what mass immigration of unskilled, non assimilating Muslims meant for the economy and also society. I gave him answers in the form of damaging the welfare state and also the disproportionate crime/rape stats. He didn't like the answers. So he put me on ignore AFTER he read my long post. Make sure that timeline sticks in your head, dear reader. I gave him answers and he chose to put me on ignore after he saw the answers!

Basically, his bitching about me calling him names is a cover for his true motive: Dodging evidence that mass Muslim immigration harms the socialist welfare state and also native European girls. The fact that he gets triggered by getting called names from someone who obviously knows more than him (HE ADMITTED HIS IGNORANCE SO IT'S HIS FAULT), shows how mentally weak he is. He is a sellout. A traitor to mother Evropa. :lol:


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It can be argued that Israeli-inspired wars in the Middle East with U.S. and Western backing have directly led to the migrant crisis.

The Golem runs amok.

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Be this as it may, I think there is more to the story, and I don't think these migration crises can be solved with charity. What causes this problem and why? Are we dealing with a world in collapse or an enemy at the gates?

In my view, anybody who imports these people in more than token numbers is a flat-out subversive. Old Communists like Angela Merkel inviting migrants in is incredibly malignant mischief. And I don't think that is unintentional.

Islam has nothing in common with Western values such as free-speech and freedom-of-conscience and is wholly incompatible with Europeans and the civilization that Europe has created.

Cultural Marxism tells us that this is never the fault of People of Color. It is the problem stemming from the White Race exploiting the world with their "White Privilege." And this exploitation is caused by the very existence of the White Race itself (and excluding Jews, of course).

But what does the White Race even mean?

It seems that Jews promoting multiculturalism like Barbara Lerner Specter say that Whiteness either doesn't exist or it has to be eliminated. They seem to know who is White when they have some kind of White Privilege thing to complain about, however.

Curiously, Noel Ignatiev, the man who invented the horror of "White Privilege" and explored this in some Leftist academic journal called Race Traitor, died recently at a Tucson, Arizona medical center. Known for "Critical Race Theory," Ignatiev wrote the 1995 book How the Irish Became White. Because, who better than a Communist Jew to lecture us about Irish niggardliness?


https://harvardmagazine.com/2002/09/abolish-the-white-race.html


The author of the Redneck Manifesto, an Irish-American Redneck named Jim Goad, wonders in the recent Taki's Magazine article below about Ignatiev's timely death. Why is it that nobody ever asks about how the Jews became White?


"How Noel Ignatiev Became Dead, " by Jim Goad


Even curiouser, why is it that so many Communists, Cultural Marxists, and Multiculturalists are non-Gentiles in the first place?

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Race Traitor, whose first issue appeared in the fall of 1992 with the slogan "Treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity" on its cover. The aim was to chronicle and analyze the making, remaking, and unmaking of whiteness. [...] The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists.


Try substituting some other Tribe for the word White in the description quoted above and see what happens.

How do such actualities color the migrant crises?

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Scott wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:26 am
It can be argued that Israeli-inspired wars in the Middle East with U.S. and Western backing have directly led to the migrant crisis.
And since many white nationalists or white identity persons also don't like the migrant crisis, this also logically means they CAN'T BE PRO WAR OR PRO INVASION. They can't maintain this "white man's burden" to keep going into brown parts of the world and enslaving and plundering innocent brown countries that did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to them. Offense is not defense.

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Werd wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:01 am
Scott wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:26 am
It can be argued that Israeli-inspired wars in the Middle East with U.S. and Western backing have directly led to the migrant crisis.

And since many white nationalists or white identity persons also don't like the migrant crisis, this also logically means they CAN'T BE PRO WAR OR PRO INVASION. They can't maintain this "white man's burden" to keep going into brown parts of the world and enslaving and plundering innocent brown countries that did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to them. Offense is not defense.


The interesting thing is that in the U.S. in the current year it is the LEFTISTS who are pro-War and the "White Nationalists" or the Alt-Right are the ones against Interventionism in all of these wars. i.e., Interventionism sounds good to Liberals on college campuses and to gin-up the military-industrial-complex, ostensibly for social justice crusading, but Intervention is not necessarily in American national interests. As such, Nationalists have often been opposed to foreign crusades since the time of George Washington, so this is not really anything new.

The hysteria from this course of events became evident comparing the 2016 Presidential candidates Hillary Clinton, who as Obama's Secretary of State never saw a campaign that she did not want to widen, and Donald Trump, who has openly used the venerable "America First" slogan, and tended to put the brakes on military interventionism (in spite of his pro-Israel rhetoric).

The Anti-Defamation League of B'Nai B'rith regards the phrase "America First" as anti-Semitism and Hate Speech by definition.

The original America First movement from before World War II echoed the advice of President George Washington in his Farewell Address, which was largely written by Alexander Hamilton, both Nationalists who advised against foreign meddling and Interventionism.

Prior to the Japanese attack on the American Pacific naval fleet at Pearl Harbor, the America First movement, led by aviator Col. Charles A. Lindbergh, Jr. (1902-1974) who was the son of the renowned Senator Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr. (1859-1924) , were Isolationists who were against American involvement in foreign quarrels like WWI and WWII, it not being in American national interests to do so. After aviator Charles Lindbergh, Jr. successfully flew solo across the Atlantic Ocean in 1927 he was regarded as a popular hero on par with the Apollo astronauts a generation later. President Roosevelt was already sending Lease-Lease aid to the Allied powers, and shooting German ships on sight─acts of war─so it was a matter of time before such machinations would mean that America was officially in the war.

When Col. Charles Lindbergh spoke at rallies and on the radio in the autumn of 1941, he correctly identified the three interest groups that were clamoring for war with Germany or Japan.

These bellicose interest-groups were:
  • 1) the Roosevelt Administration itself,
  • 2) British Agents (like the so-called "man called Intrepid"), who were conspiring to bring the USA into the war as an Allied participant, and
  • 3) "the Jews," a bloc who had a collective axe to grind with Nazi Germany.


Even cartoonist Dr. Seuss (Theodor Seuss Geisel) got into the pro-war craze shamelessly bashing Col. Lindbergh.


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President Roosevelt, knowing that the public were overwhelmingly opposed to entering World War II, intensely feared Col. Lindbergh's popularity with the public until the anti-war effort became moot after the Pearl Harbor attack on December 7th, 1941. After the sneak Japanese attack on the American naval base, it was not possible not to go to war, so the American First Committee had to be disbanded.

Who is today responsible for these modern Third World migrations and the pathological need to bring such alien immigration into Western countries?

And what is to be done?

We need to be able to aggressively ask such questions, whether this constitutes Hate Speech or not.

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Thank you, been-there. That was an enlightening reply. I've spent quite a while going through it and thinking about it.
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Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:38 pm
here is a reply that I gave previously explaining briefly my understanding of who is behind this mass-immigration campaign and why they are doing it
You provide very interesting information in that reply, but it doesn't fully answer my question. I'm not complaining here, once again I want to thank you for the englightening comments and data you offer. But I'm struggling to connect the dots and I could use some help. It looks like international Zionism (if that's the right term) aims to eliminate the white race by mixing it with people from other races. In view of the data you've provided and my limited background on the topic, that looks like a plausible explanation. However, I don't see a problem with that, at least in principle. I'm as white as milk, which suggests there's some Germanic blood in my veins; but my mother has darker skin, which suggests that I also have some Arabic blood. I couldn't care less about that. If anything, I envy "browns" because, unlike them, I can't stand more than five minutes in the sun without getting a sunburn. If it turns out that in fifty years 90% of the population of Europe is some shade of brown, that's perfectly fine with me.

I'm sure there's more to it than what solar cream factor Europeans of the XXII century will use. But with my current knowledge I can only speculate. I'll write here my wild speculation, mainly with the purpose of being corrected:

International Zionism is a movement made of some of the wealthiest and most powerful people in the world (the Soros, Rothschilds, Weinsteins, Epsteins, etc.). They have achieved that status by committing countless crimes against humanity, like the Palestinian genocide, the German genocide, and many others. These crimes allow them to enslave to different degrees millions of people around the world, and this slavery is the source of their wealth and power. As it's normally the case with this kind of people, their main goal is to get even wealthier and even more powerful. The way to achieve that is to enslave even more people by committing even more horrible crimes against humanity.

The natural reaction of most human beings to this kind of situation is to target and eliminate this criminal group. These criminals are predominantly Jewish (whatever that might mean) and have been committing these crimes for centuries. Hence the many pogroms against Jewish throughout history. In the modern world these criminals have almost undisputed power over weak countries like Nigeria, Bangladesh, etc. They also have a lot of power in stronger countries like Germany, Sweden or Canada, but their power over those countries is more limited. There are, among others, two important reasons why their power in these countries is limited: One is the fact that these countries have strong economies and therefore their people are more difficult to enslave. Another one is that most of these countries are predominantly white. Historically white people have a sense of cultural identity that has allowed them to identify the Zionist criminals as people who belong to a different cultural group, namely the Jewish. This identification is incorrect, because most Jewish are not criminals. However, even being incorrect, it has worked throughout history to fight the Zionist (or equivalent of the time) criminals because most of these criminals are, in fact, Jewish.

Mass immigration undermines these two hurdles in Zionists' endeavour for even greater power in two ways. First, it weakens the economies of these countries, thus making their people easier to enslave. Second, it creates a "multicultural" society which is forced to be tolerant with foreign cultures and has a weakened cultural identity. This tolerance means acceptance of all other cultures. This includes the Jews, which in turn includes essentially all Zionists. Therefore, this tolerance, very humanistic in principle, means accepting and respecting the Zionists, who, again, are some of the worst criminals in the world. By definition, if you accept and respect a group of people, you don't fight them. Thus, mass immigration and multiculturalism have the quite unintuitive effect of preventing people from fighting these criminals.


Once again, this is just my own personal wild speculation, not backed by any data. I'm sure some parts of it are right and others are wrong, but without hard data and proper analysis, I just cannot tell what's correct and what is not.

For the record, I love multiculturalism, I love to walk the streets of Madrid and see and talk to people from one hundred countries. The only thing I don't like about it is the idea that it might indirectly help Zionism.

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been-there wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:38 pm
I think its commendable that you are volunteering your time and hospitality to help others less fortunate than yourself.
Thank you for your words, but that's not necessarily the case. I suffer from a very serious case of depression. Helping people is a proven way to overcome depression, so in the end I'm helping myself more than anybody else.

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Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:38 pm
Lady Michelle Renouf talked on the effect of this policy in Tehran in a speech.You can watch and read a transcript here.
I have read your transcription of that speech. I think that the general idea is correct, but the way it is expressed inevitably leads to a tragic misunderstanding. Yes, Zionism is a criminal ideology. Yes, Judaism, as expressed in the Jewish bible, is a criminal religion. But so is Christianism as expressed in the Christian bible (which is, after all, a superset of the Jewish bible). And I imagine that's also the case for many other religions.

Having been brought up in a mostly Christian society, I know that most Christians have never read the Bible and have been deceived into thinking that Christianity is all about love, when it actually is mostly about violence and hatred. The person I love most in the world, my grandma, was, or at least considered herself to be, a devout Christian. She went to church every day of her life. Did she espouse the horrible crimes committed and promoted by the Christian god in the bible (rape, murder of children, etc.)? Of course not, she never even heard about them. Her idea of Christianism was a collection of cherry picked and dressed up excerpts from the bible, peppered with some outright lies. I guess that means that technically she was never a Christian, for Christians are those who follow the word of god as written in the bible. But for practical purposes we have to accept that she was a Christian, for that is what she and everybody else called her. Which means she was a part of Christianity. It would be completely unfair to demonize my grandma for being a part of that criminal religion.

You see where I'm getting here. I can easily imagine a Jewish grandma somewhere in the world who attends her synagogue every day, and yet is as loving and lovely as mine used to be. Should we demonize her for being a part of Judaism? Of course not. She's completely convinced that her religion is all about love and caring for others, just like my grandma used to be. But if we demonize Judaism we are demonizing that lovely grandma who never hurt a fly.

So, while everything said in that speech is technically correct, I think it is a mistake to express it in that way because it can be easily misconstrued as a demonization of innocent people. I recently made a similar point in another thread.

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You are conflating your grandmother, a Jew savta and the poor but hardworking Jew tailor with the likes of Janet Yellen and George Soros and their plan for a great replacement of White people with a universal race of brown mongrels. Sell it down the street, Alonso.

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Alonso wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:58 pm
Thank you, been-there. That was an enlightening reply. I've spent quite a while going through it and thinking about it.
been-there wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:38 pm
here is a reply that I gave previously explaining briefly my understanding of who is behind this mass-immigration campaign and why they are doing it
You provide very interesting information in that reply, but it doesn't fully answer my question. I'm not complaining here, once again I want to thank you for the englightening comments and data you offer. But I'm struggling to connect the dots and I could use some help. It looks like international Zionism (if that's the right term) aims to eliminate the white race by mixing it with people from other races. In view of the data you've provided and my limited background on the topic, that looks like a plausible explanation. However, I don't see a problem with that, at least in principle. I'm as white as milk, which suggests there's some Germanic blood in my veins; but my mother has darker skin, which suggests that I also have some Arabic blood. I couldn't care less about that. If anything, I envy "browns" because, unlike them, I can't stand more than five minutes in the sun without getting a sunburn. If it turns out that in fifty years 90% of the population of Europe is some shade of brown, that's perfectly fine with me.

I'm sure there's more to it than what solar cream factor Europeans of the XXII century will use. But with my current knowledge I can only speculate. I'll write here my wild speculation, mainly with the purpose of being corrected:

International Zionism is a movement made of some of the wealthiest and most powerful people in the world (the Soros, Rothschilds, Weinsteins, Epsteins, etc.). They have achieved that status by committing countless crimes against humanity, like the Palestinian genocide, the German genocide, and many others. These crimes allow them to enslave to different degrees millions of people around the world, and this slavery is the source of their wealth and power. As it's normally the case with this kind of people, their main goal is to get even wealthier and even more powerful. The way to achieve that is to enslave even more people by committing even more horrible crimes against humanity.

The natural reaction of most human beings to this kind of situation is to target and eliminate this criminal group. These criminals are predominantly Jewish (whatever that might mean) and have been committing these crimes for centuries. Hence the many pogroms against Jewish throughout history. In the modern world these criminals have almost undisputed power over weak countries like Nigeria, Bangladesh, etc. They also have a lot of power in stronger countries like Germany, Sweden or Canada, but their power over those countries is more limited. There are, among others, two important reasons why their power in these countries is limited: One is the fact that these countries have strong economies and therefore their people are more difficult to enslave. Another one is that most of these countries are predominantly white. Historically white people have a sense of cultural identity that has allowed them to identify the Zionist criminals as people who belong to a different cultural group, namely the Jewish. This identification is incorrect, because most Jewish are not criminals. However, even being incorrect, it has worked throughout history to fight the Zionist (or equivalent of the time) criminals because most of these criminals are, in fact, Jewish.

Mass immigration undermines these two hurdles in Zionists' endeavour for even greater power in two ways. First, it weakens the economies of these countries, thus making their people easier to enslave. Second, it creates a "multicultural" society which is forced to be tolerant with foreign cultures and has a weakened cultural identity. This tolerance means acceptance of all other cultures. This includes the Jews, which in turn includes essentially all Zionists. Therefore, this tolerance, very humanistic in principle, means accepting and respecting the Zionists, who, again, are some of the worst criminals in the world. By definition, if you accept and respect a group of people, you don't fight them. Thus, mass immigration and multiculturalism have the quite unintuitive effect of preventing people from fighting these criminals.


Once again, this is just my own personal wild speculation, not backed by any data. I'm sure some parts of it are right and others are wrong, but without hard data and proper analysis, I just cannot tell what's correct and what is not.

For the record, I love multiculturalism, I love to walk the streets of Madrid and see and talk to people from one hundred countries. The only thing I don't like about it is the idea that it might indirectly help Zionism.
If you like multicultural societies and want to live in one, that's fine.

The problem comes when others in that same society do not and instead want to proect their national and ethnic identity from extinction. Do they have that right? I would say yes, at least equally as much as the ones such as yourself.

Because of the misrepresented WW2 narrative called 'holocaust' this position is now demonised as being racist, neo-nazi and motivated by a hateful notion of racial supremacy. I think that is wrong.
That is NOT what motivates all the people who want restrictions on immigration.
That is NOT what motivates all the people who want to maintain their cultural, national and ethnic values.
And that is NOT even what motivated all the people in the NSDAP in Germany in the 1930's and 40's.
We are being manipulated into an acceptance of an irreversible action by LIES!.
If the majority want a multicultural society, I myself am ok with that. I won't be here longer than another twenty to thirty years.
I just don't like everyone being forced to accept that based on surreptitious manipulation and deception.

And then there is the accusation against anyone wanting to retain an ethnic and national identity, that their motivations must be based on detestable racial supremacy, racism and hatred. I regard that coming from people who regard themselves as Jewish as such a hypocrisy. As that is precisely the motivation of people like Barbra Lerner Spectre who regards herself as belonging to a unique, superior, racial ethnicity called 'Jewish' which she wants to retain and keep separate and pure.

As for your explanation. I think its more complicated and more complex than you have described it.

Plus it isn't about just 'zionism' as that is a fairly recent phenomena.
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Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:26 pm
The Anti-Defamation League of B'Nai B'rith regards the phrase "America First" as anti-Semitism and Hate Speech by definition.
Sounds like an admission that many Jews are disloyal parasites and don't put America first. Perhaps they shouldn't fulfill stereotypes if they don't want to get angry at people saying 1+1=2.

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been-there wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:14 pm
As for your explanation. I think its more complicated and more complex than you have described it.
I would really like you to elaborate on this. Understanding this is understanding how the world works in our days.

been-there wrote:
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The problem comes when others in that same society do not and instead want to proect their national and ethnic identity from extinction.
I don't think I see a weakening of national and ethnic idenitity in Spain. Spanish traditions seem as strong as ever, with the exception of bull fighting, but that's about protection of animal rights, it has nothing to do with immigration. Then again, immigration in Spain is relatively small compared to some other European countries, and I know relatively little about those countries. Can you elaborate on this threat to ethnic and national identity?

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Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:14 pm
Plus it isn't about just 'zionism' as that is a fairly recent phenomena.
Yeah, I can imagine it's more complex than that. I think that your posts provide some hints about who these criminals are. However, it's very convenient to have a single word or term to describe this group of criminals, and "zionists" is the closest I can think of. Maybe "illuminati" is a more precise term, but I don't know much about it. What's your view on this?

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