Bishop Richard Williamson on Holocaustianity, Robert Faurisson and Jérôme Bourbon

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Re: Bishop Richard Williamson on Holocaustianity, Robert Faurisson and Jérôme Bourbon

Post by Friedrich Paul Berg » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:10 pm

The 30 minute scenario suggests a mass gassing w-i-t-h-o-u-t Kreislauf or forced circulation in a room packed with lots of Jews. Isn't that clear?

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Post by Huntinger » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:13 pm

Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:
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The 30 minute scenario imagines a gassing w-i-t-h-o-u-t Kreislauf or forced circulation in a room packed with lots of Jews. Isn't that clear?

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Indeed Friedrich, if the Hoaxers knew that IG Farben had developed Sarin, that would have morphed into the alleged gassing just like the head knockers and the lobstering morphed into diesel and then cyanide.
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Re: Bishop Richard Williamson on Holocaustianity, Robert Faurisson and Jérôme Bourbon

Post by blake121666 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:34 pm

According to the wikipedia entry linked, Sarin has a short shelf life of maybe only a few weeks. Its boiling point is 158C (316F).

There have been quite a few UNSUCCESSFUL Sarin attacks. When used in the Tokyo subway in 1995 it only killed a mere 12 people.

Your woulda-coulda-shoulda about Sarin isn't a particularly strong argument.

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Post by blake121666 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:39 pm

Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:10 pm
The 30 minute scenario suggests a mass gassing w-i-t-h-o-u-t Kreislauf or forced circulation in a room packed with lots of Jews. Isn't that clear?

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I agree. I think that the use of forced air would shorten the time to LC100 of all in the large LK of K2/K3 of all from about 25-40 minutes without circulation to about 10-20 minutes with circulation. I do agree with this. Kreislauf would be a quicker time to death in those circumstances IMO.

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Post by Huntinger » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:51 pm

blake121666 wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:34 pm
According to the wikipedia entry linked, Sarin has a short shelf life of maybe only a few weeks. Its boiling point is 158C (316F).

There have been quite a few UNSUCCESSFUL Sarin attacks. When used in the Tokyo subway in 1995 it only killed a mere 12 people.

Your woulda-coulda-shoulda about Sarin isn't a particularly strong argument.
If cyanide was used in the Tokyo subway it would probably kill no one. It is however a war gas classed as a weapon of mass destruction. Sarin does not need to boil to make it highly effective. It is highly effective
  • Halabja, Kurdistan, Iraq 16 March 1988 3200–5000 7000–10 000
  • Sarin, tabun, mustard gas Iraqi Government
    Ghouta, Syria 21 August 2013 1729 3600 Sarin Syrian Government
This would have killed Jude in a timely fashion. It is ridiculous to think Zb could do the same without a heating and forced circulation system.
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Re: Bishop Richard Williamson on Holocaustianity, Robert Faurisson and Jérôme Bourbon

Post by Friedrich Paul Berg » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:57 pm

But Germar Rudolf in his video spends some time explaining that a 30-minute gassing without circulation is totally unrealistic and I agree.

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Post by Scott » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:06 am

The problem with any war-gas or poison is dispersing adequate doses to the recipients properly. This cannot be stressed enough.

When you hear about police drug seizures of enough product to kill millions of people a dozen times over, you might as well take it with a grain of salt.

This is why with war-gases the most effective usage is for area-denial of important points like airfields and railway marshalling yards--and why potent gases like nerve agents are usually made more "persistent" with the addition of other substances like wax so that the agent does not evaporate or wash away too easily.

Mustard Gas is a naturally persistent blister agent, which the Allies could have produced at will with the ample ethylene stocks from their petroleum industry. The Germans never could have competed with this production rate, even with more lethal gases available in limited quantities.

Tabun was stockpiled in large quantities, with Sarin and Soman in experimental quantities. But the reason why Hitler did not use these agents even as a last resort was because nobody could guarantee to his satisfaction that the Allies had not likewise developed and stockpiled something better than the new German nerve agents--which were not even discovered by the enemy until after the war. The British developed anthrax bombs in secret at Porton Down, stockpiles which were not known to the Germans, irrespective of the magnitude of their possible threat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porton_Down

After the war the UK developed VX nerve gas, the most potent nerve agent, while the Soviets stockpiled Soman, and the Americans stockpiled persistent Sarin. And everybody stockpiled Mustard agents from late in the First World War.

For mass-homicidal gassings, I do not think war-gases would have been optimal--and not many German officials would have even known about the newer agents.

Homicidal gassing with CO or HCN is pretty much ideal for enclosed spaces, and both have been used in fumigation--but especially on a massive scale, this would not have been done under imaginary scenarios without any engineering involved.

Any mass-gassing scenarios would need other process-engineering considerations besides heating and circulation, of course. Not much about the gassing stories makes sense when you look closely. It just made good atrocity-propaganda.

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Re: Bishop Richard Williamson on Holocaustianity, Robert Faurisson and Jérôme Bourbon

Post by rollo the ganger » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:06 am

The holds of ships were fumigated without "kreislauf" to kill rats aboard. It worked but had some means of circulation been available they would have used it since it was determined that circulation would improve the killing efficiency by around 50%. Had the Nazis gassed as many people as claimed they certainly would have perfected the technique and, as Nessie intimates, there MUST have been records of this. Neither direct or indirect evidence exists. However, the argument as to how they were gassed is pointless since, quite frankly, there were no mass gassings. It was all a wartime atrocity propaganda tale.

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