The 'sonderkommando photos' – what do they show & "prove"?

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The 'sonderkommando photos' – what do they show & "prove"?

Post by been-there » Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:52 am

The 'sonderkommando photos' — what do they actually show?
What can we safely, rationally, intelligently say they are proof of?

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Re: The 'sonderkommando photos' – what do they "prove"?

Post by Nisco » Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:03 am

According to DabbingIsSoMuchFun, those photos are "scientific proof" that between 434,000–600,000 jews were killed at Belzec.

But of course, he's an insane DULLusionalist who lacks the intelligence, courage, integrity and character to even try to defend such an obvious flase allegation.

Or, he's just a disruptive lying troll who maliciously posts nonsense on this forum in an attempt to disrupt serious debate and scholarship.

Or both.

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Re: The 'sonderkommando photos' – what do they "prove"?

Post by Werd » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:30 am

Nisco wrote:
Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:03 am
According to DabbingIsSoMuchFun, those photos are "scientific proof" that between 434,000–600,000 jews were killed at Belzec.
Um, those are photos allegedly taken from inside Krema V in Birkenau.

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Re: The 'sonderkommando photos' – what do they "prove"?

Post by Trolljegeren » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:50 am

Werd wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:30 am
Um, those are photos allegedly taken from inside Krema V in Birkenau.
The location of the photographer is not relevant, all it shows is cadavars about to supposedly be cremated on outdoor pyres. The smoke is to insinuate it were bodies already burning but it is possible rubbish burning due to no incineration facilities. If one was to perpetrate a hoax this would be perfect, bodies, smoke and the rest left to hoaxers and wild imaginations. The bodies look like typhus victims about to enter the crematoria for proper incineration. The photo is a turn around for propaganda purposes. That alleged fire is smouldering and nothing else which can be deduced by the slowly drifting smoke in the breeze. Looks like a rubbish fire fizzling out to be honest. There is also no evidence of the timeframe which these photos were taken or indeed the location. To be honest instead of Birkenau it looks like Belsen after the liberation with the guards disposing of some bodies. They speak of skullduggery and not from the German side.

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Re: The 'sonderkommando photos' – what do they "prove"?

Post by Nisco » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:08 am

Werd wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:30 am
Nisco wrote:
Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:03 am
According to DabbingIsSoMuchFun, those photos are "scientific proof" that between 434,000–600,000 jews were killed at Belzec.
Um, those are photos allegedly taken from inside Krema V in Birkenau.
I know, but that didn't stop DabbingIsSoMuchFun from alleging that they're scientific proof that between 434,000–600,000 jews were killed at Belzec. (It's part of his "magically disappearing jew theory")

His insane allegation is so bizzar that it should be discussed on the - Forensic Psychiatry and the "Holocaust Syndrome" thread.

But of course, that is why Dabbing and his ilk are called DULLusionalists.

Edited to add:

I made a mistake above. This is what DabbingIsSoMuchFun alleged:
Q: DabbingIsSoMuchFun, has it ever been alleged that a number of "huge mass graves" (see the map below) containing bone fragments have been scientifically located / proven to exist at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

DabbingIsSoMuchFun's answer: ??


Q: DabbingIsSoMuchFun, has it ever been alleged that a number of "huge mass graves" (see the map below) containing unburnt corpses have been scientifically located / proven to exist at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

DabbingIsSoMuchFun's answer: ??
...um... yes???

Here's the scientific proof:

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Multiple dead bodies = check.

Human Remains = check.

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Re: The 'sonderkommando photos' – what do they "prove"?

Post by Depth Check » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:59 am

Nisco, your presence here has become detrimental to open debate on the Holocaust.

I am giving you a 24hr timeout to get your act together. If you return only to continue trolling this forum you will be joining Nessie in Siberian Exile.

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Re: The 'sonderkommando photos' – what do they "prove"?

Post by been-there » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:28 pm

Q. When did these photographs first appear?
A. We don't know. But one story is that in 1960, Władyslaw Pytlik of the resistance movement in Brzeszcze offered testimony about his wartime experiences to the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum, and brought along three prints of the cropped photographs. Only in 1985, after Pytlik died, did his wife donate the original photographs to the museum. The story is that until then no-one knew the previously released images were cropped and enlarged areas of photos with large black areas.
Another story is that in a report on Auschwitz-Birkenau by Polish judge Jan Sehn one of the cropped images had been published in 1945, but then apparently the photograph was attributed to Sonderkommando member David Szmulewski,
One cropped image was apparently exhibited at Auschwitz in 1947, and others were published in 1958 in Warsaw in a book by Stanisław Wrzos-Glinka, Tadeusz Mazur and Jerzy Tomaszewski. So they appear not to have been considered particularly important initially, despite the later hyperbole attached to them.

Q. Who took the photographs?
A. We don't know. Polish judge Jan Sehn said in 1945 they were taken by David Szmulewski. Alter Fajnzylberg said it was someone called 'Alex the greek'.

Q. When were they taken?
A. We don't know exactly. Alter Fajnzylberg said it was somewhere about midway through 1944.

Q. Who the hell was Alter Fajnzylberg?
A. He claims to have been a Sonderkommando in Birkenau.
His name is also written as Alter Feinsilber.
He is also known as Stanislaw Klankowski.
Also as Stanislaw Kaskowiak.

Q. So he was a sonderkommando eye-witness AND 'Jewish' but was allowed to survive AND to tell the tale?
A. Yes.

Q. But doesn't the fact he survived prove that 'the holocaust' was not a plan to kill all Jews?
A. Yes, but do not dare to ask such intelligent questions. Only 'deniers' do that and they are all wicked people.

Q. Is he a trustworthy source?
A. Who knows? He has multiple names. That could be an indication.
He claims it was his idea to take the photographs. Yet he doesn't claim to have used the camera. And he says he doesn't know what type of camera was used as he had never seen a camera before. But he also says he thinks it was a German Leica. ( :roll: )
Alter Fajnzylberg wrote:...somewhere about midway through 1944, we decided to take pictures secretly to record our work… From the very beginning, several prisoners from our Sonderkommando were in on my secret: Szlomo Dragon, his brother Josek Dragon, and Alex, a Greek Jew whose surname I do not remember. Some of us were to guard the person taking the pictures.
Q. If this was a planned operation how come the photographs are so bad?
A. The claim is that the pictures are so bad because David Szmulewski/ 'Alex the Greek' / whoever didn't want to be seen taking the photos.

Q. Hmmm? But he managed to take four. And there were others supposedly "guarding" him who could have concealed him? And he took two photos from inside a building of actions outside of it, of people over a hundred yards away. So who could have seen him from such a distance if others stood in front of him strategically. He really couldn't have done a better job?
A. No.

Q. Who the hell was Alex the Greek if he was he the best photographer of the group?
A.Some accounts claim the photographer's name was Alberto Errera. According to Errera's nephew his Uncle was arrested for his communist activities, NOT because he was Jewish. Just that little detail is another reason not to believe the 'holocaust' mythology as it is currently taught/enforced.

Q. If Alberto WAS 'Alex the Greek' mentioned by Alter Finesilver/Stanislaw something-or-other, why have all these people got multiple different names?
A. Who knows? Why is that important? You should just believe them because Jews say they witnessed the most heinous crime in known history. Don't question this. Only wicked people do that. Just believe and accept what you are told to believe like all 'good people' do.

Q. Have any of these people involved in these photographs made a statement that one can read?
A. Robert Faurisson has written about that:
I said earlier that at my trial not a single witness took the risk of appearing before the court. At the last minute, my accusers had nonetheless provided the written testimony of a Jew who was living in Paris but whom they intentionally kept from appearing in the dock. This Jew was the famous Alter Szmul Fajnzylberg, born in Stockek, Poland, October 23, 1911. This former Polish waiter, an atheistic Jew and Communist political delegate for the international brigades serving in Spain, had been imprisoned during a period of three years at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
In his brief written testimony, he essentially stated that, working in the Auschwitz crematory (the Altes Krematorium, or Krematorium I), he had spent a good deal of his time locked up with his comrades in the coke-room, for, on each occasion that the SS gassed Jews in the adjoining room, the SS took the precaution of sequestering the Sonderkommando in the coke-room so that no Jew might visibly confirm the gassing operation! Once the gassing operation was completed, the Germans freed the Sonderkommando members and made them collect and incinerate the victims. Thus, the Germans would have concealed the crime and yet revealed its results!
Q. Why would the camp guards conceal the actual killing but allow these 'survivors' to see the result of the killing?
A. Don't ask tricky, intelligent questions like that. Only wicked anti-semites do that. Just believe what you have been told.

Q. Online its only possible to find the exact same abbreviated translation of how the photos were taken. Does no original 'primary source' exist anywhere?
A. Who knows? Only 'deniers' would ask such a sensible, intelligent question. Are you denying 'the holocaust' happened?
...somewhere about midway through 1944, we decided to take pictures secretly to record our work ... In order to do that, it was necessary to get a good camera and film ... From the very beginning, several prisoners from our Sonderkommando were in on my secret: Szlomo Dragon, his brother Josek Dragon, and Alex, a Greek Jew whose surname I do not remember.

On the day on which the pictures were taken ... we allocated tasks. Some of us were to guard the person taking the pictures. In other words, we were to keep a careful watch for the approach of anyone who did not know the secret, and above all for any SS men moving about in the area. At last the moment came. We all gathered at the western entrance leading from the outside to the gas-chamber of Crematorium V: we could not see any SS men in the watchtower overlooking the door from the barbed wire, nor near the place where the pictures were to be taken. Alex, the Greek Jew, quickly took out his camera, pointed it towards a heap of burning bodies, and pressed the shutter. This is why the photograph shows prisoners from the Sonderkommando working at the heap. One of the SS was standing beside them, but his back was turned towards the crematorium building. Another picture was taken from the other side of the building, where women and men were undressing among the trees. They were from a transport that was to be murdered in the gas-chamber of Crematorium V.
Q. When did Alter Fajnzylberg / Alter Feinsilber / Stanislaw Klankowski / Stanislaw Kaskowiak make his statement about the making of these photographs?.

[...to be continued...]
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Re: The 'sonderkommando photos' – what do they "prove"?

Post by Mark Caine » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:37 pm

Trolljegeren wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:50 am
To be honest instead of Birkenau it looks like Belsen after the liberation with the guards disposing of some bodies. They speak of skullduggery and not from the German side.

Do any leading revisionists deny this photograph was taken at Krema V? Are you seriously suggesting the fellows in the photographs above are British soldiers at Belsen?

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Re: The 'sonderkommando photos' – what do they "prove"?

Post by Werd » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:55 pm

Not even Rudolf nor Mattogno denies this photo is from inside Krema V.

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Re: The 'sonderkommando photos' – what do they "prove"?

Post by Frankie » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:23 am

Werd wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:55 pm
Not even Rudolf nor Mattogno denies this photo is from inside Krema V.
That's BS.

from: 'holocaustcontroversies' claims forgeries are real cremations' LOL
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11020

Numerous forged versions give away the lie.

Ah yes, rubber armed Jews.
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Liars nailed again.

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