Media NEVER lets us forget it - Holocaust in the 'news'(?)

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Re: Media NEVER lets us forget it - Holocaust in the 'news'(?)

Post by been-there » Wed Jul 25, 2018 4:31 am

• Keep repeating lies in 'news' stories, but brazenly declare them as undeniable, evidenced truth.
Don't permit people to ask for the evidence.

• Make exhbitions based upon those lies AS IF they were unassailable fact. Get people and schoolchildren and newspaper articles involved in analysing and speculating about the ramifications of the narrative and the 'exhibitions' which are based on lies. This reinforces the false impression of the lies being factual, upon the people being indoctrinated. They will then have extreme difficulty in accepting empirical evidence that expose the lies.

• Don't permit people to intelligently, rationally, impartially analyse the historicity of the basic premise for the lie. Demonise and ostracise anyone who does.

Never allow ANY exhibition that challenge the lies.
Never allow any publication that details the lies.
Never allow any TV or film documentary that expose the lies.
Never allow any academic and/or university research that critically dissects the lies.
Never allow any legitimate wikipedia editing that refute the lies.
Never permit any historical drama to be made for TV or cinema that challenge the lies.
Etc., etc., etc.

Get many newspaper articles, 'human interest' news stories, TV and film documentaries, exhibitions, cinematic historical dramas, etc., that reinforce the lies in the public consciousness.
Repeat these, regurtitate them and reconstruct them ad nauseum.

In this international misinformation, indoctrination campaign, use sleight-of-mind tactics.
E.g. Equate undenied policy towards Jews during WW2 as 'proof' of the "6 million exterminated Jews" lie.

I.e. get people discussing how it was allowed to happen, not whether it actually happened as claimed.
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The motives, pressures and fears that shaped America’s response to the murder of 6 million Jews in Europe during the 1930s and 1940s are the subject of a provocative new exhibition at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington DC.

Americans and the Holocaust debunks the myth that Americans lacked access to information about the persecution of Jews as it was happening, demonstrates that they had little appetite to take in refugees from Europe and illustrates that President Franklin Roosevelt’s primary focus was on winning a war, not ending a genocide.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... -holocaust
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Below are some of the recent articles reinforcing this particular lie in the public consciousness:

AMERICA AND THE HOLOCAUST

http://time.com/5327279/ushmm-americans ... holocaust/

https://www.facinghistory.org/defying-n ... -holocaust

https://www.history.com/topics/world-wa ... -holocaust

https://www.newberry.org/10032018-ameri ... -holocaust

https://m.jpost.com/Diaspora/Americans- ... nds-563293

https://www.americanheritage.com/conten ... -holocaust



https://chicagotonight.wttw.com/2018/07 ... -holocaust
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Re: Media NEVER lets us forget it - Holocaust in the 'news'(?)

Post by torus9 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:36 pm

https://www.dailywire.com/news/33547/bi ... QiOiAiMCJ9

"My old man, his family got wiped out. They were slaughtered in Auschwitz. Him and his parents were able to get out. But then he was in the U.S. Army during the war and fought with Patton and was shot at by Nazis. My family suffered."

Help me here. My head is cloudy with summer allergies. "My old man", we assume to be Joel's father.

"His family got wiped out". We assume to be Joel's grandparents. ?

Yet, "him and his parents" were able to "get out".

But then, the old man fought with Patton and was "shot at by Nazis".

Suck it up Billy, you've had a great gig. I actually like a couple of your songs. If Dante is your bag, why not follow the example of John McLaughlin. McLaughlin and his band have played two benefits for tramautized children of the occupation. I'll let you figure out who I'm referring to.

'The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis,' and I thought, 'Oh, OK, I don't want to be in that place.’

No, I wouldn't want to be in Palestine either.

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Re: Media NEVER lets us forget it - Holocaust in the 'news'(?)

Post by Nessie » Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:16 am

been-there wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 4:31 am
• Keep repeating lies in 'news' stories, but brazenly declare them as undeniable, evidenced truth.
Don't permit people to ask for the evidence.
It is not illegal to ask for evidence. Evidence is provided. Deniers often pretend there is no evidence by declaring the evidence provided as faked, lies etc, but that does not mean they can claim there is no evidence.

On this forum I regularly asked for evidence and no evidence is provided. That I keep asking for evidence results in abuse. It is actually denial which is unhappy about evidencing its claims and instead brazenly declares its claims as the truth.
• Make exhbitions based upon those lies AS IF they were unassailable fact. Get people and schoolchildren and newspaper articles involved in analysing and speculating about the ramifications of the narrative and the 'exhibitions' which are based on lies. This reinforces the false impression of the lies being factual, upon the people being indoctrinated. They will then have extreme difficulty in accepting empirical evidence that expose the lies.
By empirical evidence you mean claims such as by Germar Rudolf that it was not possible to gas people as described at Birkenau. The problems with his claim are

- that there is limited and conflicting detail about how the gassing was done, so a definitive scientific conclusion is not possible based on what we know.
- if you lock people up in a chamber and add Zyklon B they will die, so whatever Rudolf thinks, it is possible to have gassed people in the kremas.
- he ignores evidence which does not suit his claim, in particular historical evidence.
• Don't permit people to intelligently, rationally, impartially analyse the historicity of the basic premise for the lie. Demonise and ostracise anyone who does.

Never allow ANY exhibition that challenge the lies.
Never allow any publication that details the lies.
Never allow any TV or film documentary that expose the lies.
Never allow any academic and/or university research that critically dissects the lies.
Never allow any legitimate wikipedia editing that refute the lies.
Never permit any historical drama to be made for TV or cinema that challenge the lies.
Etc., etc., etc.

Get many newspaper articles, 'human interest' news stories, TV and film documentaries, exhibitions, cinematic historical dramas, etc., that reinforce the lies in the public consciousness.
Repeat these, regurtitate them and reconstruct them ad nauseum.

In this international misinformation, indoctrination campaign, use sleight-of-mind tactics.
E.g. Equate undenied policy towards Jews during WW2 as 'proof' of the "6 million exterminated Jews" lie.

I.e. get people discussing how it was allowed to happen, not whether it actually happened as claimed.

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First you need to prove the claims about mass gassing were lies. Denial has failed to do that.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: Media NEVER lets us forget it - Holocaust in the 'news'(?)

Post by NSDAP » Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:15 pm

Nessie wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:16 am
First you need to prove the claims about mass gassing were lies. Denial has failed to do that.
The evidence is simply not there to support that claim, once you take out the lying eyewitnesses and conspiracy. There is insufficient evidence to support that claim of mass gassing, though there may have been limited attempts as a trial but discontinued.
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Re: Media NEVER lets us forget it - Holocaust in the 'news'(?)

Post by Friedrich Paul Berg » Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:57 pm

What "limited attempts as a trial but discontinued?" That sounds like some crap from David Irving.

BTW, "evidence of Jewish lying" about gassings is all over the place. Nessie is in deep denial.

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Re: Media NEVER lets us forget it - Holocaust in the 'news'(?)

Post by NSDAP » Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:00 pm

Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:57 pm
What "limited attempts as a trial but discontinued?" That sounds like some crap from David Irving.

BTW, "evidence of Jeiwsh lying" about gassings is all over the place. Nessie is in deep denial.

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I am thinking of reports of Russian soldiers at block 11, which is not really part of the Jewish holocaust narrative. This is however, the probable genesis of the myth. Most of that is from Mr Irving, but reported by Mattogno who stated :

Four witnesses, as far as we can determine, have confirmed the reality of the first gassing by giving specific descriptions: Josef Vacek, eye-witness; Rudolf Höss, indirect witness; Zenon Rozanski, eye-witness; Wojciech Barcz, eye-witness. To these is added the report of inquiry by the Polish Commission of Investigation on German crimes at Auschwitz.

It is elsewhere but they tend to quote Mr Irving as the source. I think Mattogno puts up a good case of the unreliability of the testimony. Nessie is totally delusional, in deep denial: I have him on ignore.
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Re: Media NEVER lets us forget it - Holocaust in the 'news'(?)

Post by been-there » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:28 pm

Here is a rather unusual and recent 'holocaust NEWS' story. Its from The Times of Israel and concerns the actions of an Israeli student in a so-called 'homicidal gas chamber' at Majdanek.

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It would appear even some of the grandchildren of the 'holocaust survivors' are unimpressed by the exaggerated and often ridiculously impossible, self-pitying narrative.
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Re: Media NEVER lets us forget it - Holocaust in the 'news'(?)

Post by been-there » Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:57 am

Yuck!
New ‘Holocaust'™ film.
New twist on the same old bollocks.
Renewed campaign of misinformation and mind-manipulation.
New misinformation media 'news' blitz about the misinformation film.
New mass-media emotional manipulation.

SUMMARY: New Hollywood 'based-on-a-true-story' film that lies about a small part of an already big lie, gets mass-media coverage. Result: we all get manipulated into believing the basic underlying lie.

Here is an article in Time magazine exposing some of the lies:
The true story behind the movie 'Operation Finale'

Here's another with a similar angle:
Is 'Operation Finale' A True Story?

Here are some Israeli 'news'(?) articles spreading and reinforcing the Holocaust misinformation:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/banality- ... validated/
Kingsley went on to portray the Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal in the HBO film “Murderers Among Us”; the Jewish accountant Itzhak Stern in “Schindler’s List”; and Anne Frank’s father in a 2001 ABC miniseries.
...During research for his Shoah-themed films, Kingsley became close friends with Holocaust survivor, activist and author Elie Wiesel. Not long before Wiesel’s death in 2016, the actor vowed to him that “the next time I walk onto a film set that is appropriate to your story, I will dedicate my performance to you.”
So when Kingsley was offered the Eichmann role in “Operation Finale” after Wiesel’s death — a film that debuts Aug. 29 and focuses on the Holocaust architect’s capture — the actor jumped at the chance. Just as he famously carried a picture of Anne Frank during the filming of “Schindler’s List,” he carried a photo of Wiesel during the filming of “Operation Finale.”

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https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/ben-kin ... -1.6408817
Another Israeli 'news' (?) article
http://time.com/5373420/true-story-operation-finale/

British 'newspaper' review:
Operation Finale review – disappointing Nazi thriller fails to convince
Despite strong performances from Ben Ki ... cks nuance

Check out the delusional bullshit in this review:
Kingsley’s familiarity with the history of the time comes after decades of making films about World War II and the Holocaust.:lol:
‘Operation Finale’: Steven Spielberg helped Sir Ben Kingsley portray the ‘impenetrable’ Nazi Adolf Eichmann
In taking on another tough real-life role, the Oscar winner tells IndieWire how Spielberg and "Schindler's List" helped guide his process, decades later.

https://www.indiewire.com/2018/08/opera ... 201998407/
Etc., etc., etc.
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Re: Media NEVER lets us forget it - Holocaust in the 'news'(?)

Post by torus9 » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:32 am

Does anyone wonder why I literally do NOT "do" movies/television? I get my cultural pornography for free on the subway, others pay for this shit. Wiesel was also the one who stated that he "writes to denounce writing", and that one should essentially "tremble" before even considering to "tell the tale". I do admit to finding some comfort in the fact that post 1945, the largest assemblance of wannabe Nazi regalia is to be found in Hollywood. Although Hollywood has also short-circuited creativity along with their most prized possession, "filthy lucre", by inhibiting the "horror" of revisionist themes being presented in film. Would a thoughtful and meticulously written script involving a sleuth who begins to question the veracity of the holocaust fly any further than the trash can in Hollywood? Would we ever see reviews such as; "Regardless of one's belief, this film will shake you to your core...thoughtfully" Jerusalem Times.
"This isn't anti-Semitism folks, this is BRILLIANT" New York Times.
It could nurture a creative upswing in that rotting corpse known as "Hollywood". They have beaten a dead horse to life, immolated it and resurrected its ashes back to life...only to beat the theme to death again. Good guy/bad guy - BANG! BANG! Lie down, you're dead. Rinse, repeat.

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