Syrian Gassing Hoax TODAY!

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Re: Syrian Gassing Hoax TODAY!

Post by NSDAP » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:26 pm

The concerns is that this hoax is perpetrated by those who are supposed to be trusted. In fact they have been exposed for what and who they really are.
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Re: Syrian Gassing Hoax TODAY!

Post by aemathisphd » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:42 pm

Frankie wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:22 am
speaking of yet more faking poisonings:

BREAKING: British-US Toxin, Not Novichok used in Salisbury Attack

https://principia-scientific.org/breaki ... ry-attack/
Swiss lab says ‘BZ toxin’ used in Salisbury, not produced in Russia, was in US & UK service
The source is the Russian foreign minister. Did you ever read the article?

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Re: Syrian Gassing Hoax TODAY!

Post by NSDAP » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:34 pm

aemathisphd wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:42 pm

The source is the Russian foreign minister. Did you ever read the article?
This foreign Minister is very credible, more so than May, Trump or Macron. The Russians claim their source is the highly-respected Swiss Spiez laboratory. They officially tested the samples from Salisbury submitted to them by Organisation for the Prohibition of the Chemical Weapons (OPCW). Unless/until Spiez Lab deny the Russian claim, then it is reasonable to accept this latest revelation as credible.
BZ is a hallucinogenic and incapacitating chemical warfare agent. BZ is disseminated as an aerosol, through the respiratory system. BZ affects both peripheral and central nervous systems.
… signs of disorientation, agitation, tremor, ataxia, stupor, coma, and seizures may occur. BZ is disseminated as a small particle aerosol and so may be present on clothing, which is removed and sealed in a plastic bag, or skin, which is washed with water. If severe delirium and agitation occur, then the patient may require sedation with a benzodiazepine. This exactly fits the Skripal symptoms. If the Novichok agent had been used these people would be dead.
BZ was invented by the Swiss pharmaceutical company Hoffman-LaRoche in 1951. The company was investigating anti-spasmodic agents, similar to tropine, for treating gastrointestinal ailments when the chemical was discovered. It was then investigated for possible use in ulcer treatment, but was found unsuitable. At this time the United States military investigated it along with a wide range of possible nonlethal, psychoactive incapacitating agents including psychedelic drugs such as LSD and THC, dissociative drugs such as ketamine and phencyclidine, potent opioids such as fentanyl, as well as several glycolate anticholinergics. By 1959 the United States Army showed significant interest in deploying it as a chemical warfare agent. It was originally designated “TK”, but when it was standardized by the Army in 1961 it received the NATO code name “BZ”. The agent commonly became known as “Buzz” because of this abbreviation and the effects it had on the mental state of the human volunteers intoxicated with it in research studies at Edgewood Arsenal in Maryland. As described in retired Army psychiatrist James Ketchum’s autobiographical book Chemical Warfare: Secrets Almost Forgotten (2006), work proceeded in 1964 when a general envisioned a scheme to incapacitate an entire trawler with aerosolized BZ; this effort was dubbed Project DORK. BZ was ultimately weaponized for delivery in the M44 generator cluster and the M43 cluster bomb, until all such stocks were destroyed in 1989 as part of a general downsizing of the US chemical warfare program.

http://pages.uoregon.edu/munno/OregonCo ... ZStory.htm

Finally, In 1994, The Committee On Veterans Affairs Of The United States Senate confirmed the involvement of the Army and CIA in covert operations involving the testing of BZ:

“Is Military Research Hazardous To Veterans’ Health? Lessons Spanning Half A Century” 3A Staff Report Prepared For The Committee On Veterans Affairs United States Senate, December 8, 1994
For at least 50 years, DOD [Department of Defese] has knowingly exposed military personnel to potentially dangerous substances, often in secret. The U.S. General Accounting Office issued a report on September 28, 1994, which stated that between 1940 and 1974, DOD and other national security agencies studied hundreds of thousands of human subjects in tests and experiments involving hazardous substances. GAO stated that some tests and experiments were conducted in secret. Medical research involving the testing of nerve agents, nerve agent antidotes, psychochemicals and irritants was often classified. Additionally, some work conducted for DOD by contractors still remains classified today. For example, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has not released the names of 15 of the approximately 80 organizations that conducted experiments under the MKULTRA program, which gave psychochemical drugs to an undetermined number of people without their knowledge or consent. According to the GAO report, the CIA has not released this information because the organizations do not want to be identified.

Hallucinogens

Working with the CIA the Department of Defense gave hallucinogenic drugs to thousands of “volunteer” soldiers in the 1950’s and 1960’s. In addition to LSD, the Army also tested quinuclidinyl benzilate, a hallucinogen code-named BZ. Many of these tests were conducted under the so-called MKULTRA program, established to counter perceived Soviet and Chinese advances in brainwashing techniques. Between 1953 and 1964, the program consisted of 149 projects involving drug testing and other studies on unwitting human subjects. Although many human subjects were not informed or protected, Dr. Gottlieb defended those actions by stating “…harsh as it may seem in retrospect, it was felt that in an issue where national survival might be concerned, such a procedure and such a risk was a reasonable one to take.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgewood_ ... xperiments

The formulation has probably been updated somewhat but still..makes one think what was actually going on with the Skripals..
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Re: Syrian Gassing Hoax TODAY!

Post by aemathisphd » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:17 am

By virtue of being under contract OPCW, Spiez cannot comment one way or the other, which I imagine is precisely what Lavrov was counting on.

There is zero reason to trust anyone’s claims here. That said, Putin has something of a track record in this regard.

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Re: Syrian Gassing Hoax TODAY!

Post by NSDAP » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:17 am

aemathisphd wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:17 am
By virtue of being under contract OPCW, Spiez cannot comment one way or the other, which I imagine is precisely what Lavrov was counting on.

There is zero reason to trust anyone’s claims here. That said, Putin has something of a track record in this regard.
I think most of the world might trust Mr Putin more than Trump or May.
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Re: Syrian Gassing Hoax TODAY!

Post by Friedrich Paul Berg » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:05 am

The most important step to resolving the gassing story is a complete set of autopsies of deceased victims. Without sutopsies, it is all speculation and propaganda.

Surely, any deceased victims were buried somewhere and can be exhumed for rigorous examination.

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Re: Syrian Gassing Hoax TODAY!

Post by NSDAP » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:04 am

In one of the videos put on U tube by the white helmets, there is a section of clip that shows a baby being saved from the rubble after an explosion. They were called in by I think the mother (sorry my languages do not include Syrian). These so called "civil defense" unit (who are sponsored by the US state dept it would seem) knew exactly in the pile of rubble where this buried child was. Of course closer inspections shows a sheet marker locating the baby. The film is badly edited with a window open and then shortly the window closed. The baby is brought out crying. There is evidence that the "white helmets" were kidnapping children to make these kinds of videos and seems they went to the extent of burying a few months old baby alive for their own nefarious purposes.
We live in an age of smart phones, where every major event is videod and put online. When Syria was bombed by the US, France and the UK there are many of these on U tube. Yet surprisingly apart from a few grainy videos, there are no videos of the alleged gas attack, of the victims; the families speaking out; there should be about 50 at least. The Syrians have smartphones en masse just like we do and are inclined to use them.
If in the videos Sarin was used the children being washed down would be dead and so would the helpers doing the washing.
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Re: Syrian Gassing Hoax TODAY!

Post by Friedrich Paul Berg » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:39 pm

The Katyn Massacre examination by the Germans in 1943 is a model of what should be expected from any serious international investigation of a massacre site: https://www.usmbooks.com/katyn_massacre.html

Here is a link to the actual German report from 1943: https://archive.org/details/Auswaertige ... -von-Katyn

And yet, although so many years have passed with spectacular new technology, it just does NOT seem to happen at all. Was there anything like the Katyn massacre examination regarding the alleged Serbian massacre of thousands of muslims in Srebinica? I do not think so. Why?

Regarding Srebinica, there is a "revisionist report" which is condemned in some of the same ways "holocaust revisionism" is condemned. And yet, controversy is inevitable--and normal. The great achievement of the Germans in 1943 was that their report and evidence had some longterm credibility in spite of everything that was thrown against it--especially since the war itself. No doubt for me at least, the Syrian gassing claims are bogus but Trump and company dare not admit anything. If they did, they could and should be impreached.

Why didn't Trump wait at least two more days for international inspectors to arrive at the alleged massacre site? Was he afraid of the TV interview of James Comey on Sunday nite? Was he afraid of Stormy Daniels? What was the big hurry to bring the world to the brink of world war? For me it is clear that Trump is "morally unfit" to be president just as James Comey claimed.

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Re: Syrian Gassing Hoax TODAY!

Post by NSDAP » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:24 pm

The little boy in the main footage you see watered down explains how he got into this film.
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