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aemathisphd wrote: 29 Sep 2017, 01:34
blake121666 wrote: 28 Sep 2017, 21:35
aemathisphd wrote: 28 Sep 2017, 20:45 Here's the layout of the camp:

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You can see how the treeline at the current site delineates the former camp. 627 is the Quarry Road. You'll need to rotate approx. 180 degrees and view the satellite image:

Click here for map

You can measure distances with Google maps. 10,000 square meters might actually be on the small side.
Whatever that square is in that link it is 20,000 sq m.

Here is the satellite image of your square: a bunch of trees!

https://www.google.com/maps/place/07-31 ... 22.0028548

You need to spot the memorial, dumbo!

Here you go, dummy!

Since CSC didn't find any pits worth talking about, your only pit space has to be under the memorials which she didn't investigate (although she very well could have - and should have).
That's not the square I was talking about but whatever.

20,000 sq meters would make my point for me, doubly so.
Well the large area paved over is about 10,000 m^2, the area paved over at the bottom left is about 2,000 m^2, and the area with the tall monument is about 3,000 m^2. So altogether, the paved-over areas add up to about 15,000 m^2.
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Stout wrote: 29 Sep 2017, 02:54
Nessie wrote: 28 Sep 2017, 20:04 Outlines of some graves at TII, showing up in the 1944 aerial photo of the camp

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Nessie, using science, prove that those outlines are graves.
GPR and some bore holes would be they way I would prove it. I do not have the means to do either. Meanwhile, using the historical method of enquiry, it has already been proven they are graves.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.
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Nessie, using science, prove what you alleged you can prove about Treblinka:

Nessie:

Once the bodies had been cremated they were dumped back into pits... The contents of the pits are still at the camps... CS-C, Kola and Haimi have said they have found graves containing remains... Science show us the pits are irregularly shaped.... The archaeological work done has been scrutinised, cited and accepted by other archaeologists... I do have criminal investigatory, legal and court experience. I also have a degree in history.
Hanna Hasbara's questions to Nessie:
When you say "with the utmost certainty" - is that the same level of certainty that you use to claim 11 extant "huge mass graves" have been located / proven to exist - via the scientific method - within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: Yes

When you say "using the scientific method" - is that the same method that you use to claim - with the utmost certainty - that 11 extant "huge mass graves" have been located / proven to exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: Yes

When you say "burial site" - are you including the total volume of all 11 “huge mass graves” that you claim - with the utmost certainty - have been located / proven to exist - via the scientific method - within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: Yes

When you say "prove" - do you mean prove with the same standard of proof that you use to claim - with the utmost certainty - that 11 extant "huge mass graves" have been proven to exist - via the scientific method - within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: Yes

Can you, with the utmost certainty and using the scientific method prove that Treblinka II is not the burial site of at least 813,000 jews - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: No as it does contain at least that number of remains

SFinesilver's questions to Nessie:
#27 - Is it known - with the utmost certainty - that; legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have actually located / proven the existence of numerous discernable / measurable extant mass graves within the boundaries of each of the Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II camps - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: Yes.


Nessie's single numeric answer: 16

#49 - The MAXIMUM number of the 11 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves of Treblinka II identified by The N.A.F.H. that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed scientifically verified human remains; is no less than __?__.

Nessie's single numeric answer: 11

#50 - The MAXIMUM number of the 11 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves of Treblinka II identified by The N.A.F.H. that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 19 people; is no less than __?__.

Nessie's single numeric answer: 11
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#19. Burial Pits

#20. Execution Site (Disguised as Hospital)

There are 7 alleged "huge mass graves" shown on this map:

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Nessie:
There are ten areas identified in yellow where there are remnants of the original mass graves... So 10 pits in total of which six are parts of original pits of which one is 26m x 17m x 4m and the other five are nearby... The gpr at TII by Staffs Uni shows that the original graves were not emptied and refilled without disturbing them. If that was the case then rectangular pits would have shown up on the gpr survey, which as shown here is not the case... They identified the remnants of six of original mass graves of which one is 26m x 17m x 4m... I have always said there is proof of mass graves.

...

As for trash pits, they have been found as well... They are not phantom trash pits


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So which areas in yellow are the alleged "huge mass graves" and which ones are the alleged trash pits?
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Nessie wrote: 28 Sep 2017, 20:04 Outlines of some graves at TII, showing up in the 1944 aerial photo of the camp

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Nessie, using science, prove that those are outlines of graves.
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Lily wrote: 28 Sep 2017, 00:08 See Nessie walloped on Treblinka:

the usual big bluff / True Believer 'Nessie' pleads his case, but without proof / + Sobibor, Treblinka :lol:
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10356

Start with the OP and read through. It's a veritable slaughter. :lol:
:lol:

It sure is.

:lol:
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Stout wrote: 29 Sep 2017, 16:14 #19. Burial Pits

#20. Execution Site (Disguised as Hospital)

There are 7 alleged "huge mass graves" shown on this map:

Image

Nessie:
There are ten areas identified in yellow where there are remnants of the original mass graves... So 10 pits in total of which six are parts of original pits of which one is 26m x 17m x 4m and the other five are nearby... The gpr at TII by Staffs Uni shows that the original graves were not emptied and refilled without disturbing them. If that was the case then rectangular pits would have shown up on the gpr survey, which as shown here is not the case... They identified the remnants of six of original mass graves of which one is 26m x 17m x 4m... I have always said there is proof of mass graves.

...

As for trash pits, they have been found as well... They are not phantom trash pits


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So which areas in yellow are the alleged "huge mass graves" and which ones are the alleged trash pits?
I don't know for certain.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.
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Stout wrote: 29 Sep 2017, 16:14
Nessie wrote: 28 Sep 2017, 20:04 Outlines of some graves at TII, showing up in the 1944 aerial photo of the camp

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Nessie, using science, prove that those are outlines of graves.
I don't have access to do that. I am not aware of a GPS study and bore holes that would be needed. I suspect the areas are now under the memorial.

Why do you think there are rectangular outlines where witnesses say there were graves?

NOTE - if you refuse to answer or excuse yourself in any way from answering that question, I will not answer any more questions from you.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.
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Nessie, using science, prove what you alleged you can prove about Treblinka:

Nessie:

Once the bodies had been cremated they were dumped back into pits... The contents of the pits are still at the camps... CS-C, Kola and Haimi have said they have found graves containing remains... Science show us the pits are irregularly shaped.... The archaeological work done has been scrutinised, cited and accepted by other archaeologists... I do have criminal investigatory, legal and court experience. I also have a degree in history.
Hanna Hasbara's questions to Nessie:
When you say "with the utmost certainty" - is that the same level of certainty that you use to claim 11 extant "huge mass graves" have been located / proven to exist - via the scientific method - within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: Yes

When you say "using the scientific method" - is that the same method that you use to claim - with the utmost certainty - that 11 extant "huge mass graves" have been located / proven to exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: Yes

When you say "burial site" - are you including the total volume of all 11 “huge mass graves” that you claim - with the utmost certainty - have been located / proven to exist - via the scientific method - within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: Yes

When you say "prove" - do you mean prove with the same standard of proof that you use to claim - with the utmost certainty - that 11 extant "huge mass graves" have been proven to exist - via the scientific method - within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: Yes

Can you, with the utmost certainty and using the scientific method prove that Treblinka II is not the burial site of at least 813,000 jews - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: No as it does contain at least that number of remains

SFinesilver's questions to Nessie:
#27 - Is it known - with the utmost certainty - that; legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have actually located / proven the existence of numerous discernable / measurable extant mass graves within the boundaries of each of the Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II camps - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: Yes.


Nessie's single numeric answer: 16

#49 - The MAXIMUM number of the 11 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves of Treblinka II identified by The N.A.F.H. that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed scientifically verified human remains; is no less than __?__.

Nessie's single numeric answer: 11

#50 - The MAXIMUM number of the 11 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves of Treblinka II identified by The N.A.F.H. that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 19 people; is no less than __?__.

Nessie's single numeric answer: 11
Nessie:

There are ten areas identified in yellow where there are remnants of the original mass graves... So 10 pits in total of which six are parts of original pits of which one is 26m x 17m x 4m and the other five are nearby... The gpr at TII by Staffs Uni shows that the original graves were not emptied and refilled without disturbing them. If that was the case then rectangular pits would have shown up on the gpr survey, which as shown here is not the case... They identified the remnants of six of original mass graves of which one is 26m x 17m x 4m... I have always said there is proof of mass graves.

...

As for trash pits, they have been found as well... They are not phantom trash pits


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SFinesilver wrote: 20 Feb 2017, 22:37
Turnagain wrote:Nessie said.
"They have not disappeared such that they have magically vanished leaving behind no trace or undisturbed ground. They have disappeared in that they no longer exist in their original form of a squared off mass graves full of corpses.

You do not understand the importance of context when quoting."

Now Nessie is claiming that the giant mass graves have gotten bigger. Nessie can't keep his lies straight.
Actually Turnagain, Nessie has made that claim previously. But like all his lies, he just keeps going round and round, telling lie after lie after lie, saying whatever suites him at the moment. Hanna Hasbara cornered the lying rat with this lie:
Nessie:

I meant they are no longer as they were originally


Yes Nessie, you said:

Q - Are the alleged 5 or 6 massive rectangular pits - that allegedly once held over 700,000 corpses - now

A - More voluminous.
or
B - Less voluminous.
or
C - The same volume.

after allegedly being emptied of corpses and refilled with millions of pounds of bone fragments and millions upon millions of teeth?

Nessie's answer:

Hanna, the answer is A - More voluminous.


But you cravenly refuse to answer this question:

So Nessie - are those 5 or 6 alleged "massive rectangular pits" that allegedly contain millions of pounds of bone fragments and millions upon millions of teeth - now more voluminous because they are:

A - Deeper.
or
B - Wider.
or
C - Longer.
or
D - All of the above?
or
E - Some combination of A, B & C?
Poor Nessie knows that he has fallen into a trap, so he cravenly does what he always does - he runs away from the question and just tells another lie on another day. Pathetic really, but hey, that's why it's called delusionalism.

So Nessie - are those 6 alleged "massive rectangular pits" that allegedly contain millions of pounds of bone fragments and millions upon millions of teeth - now more voluminous because they are:

A - Deeper.
or
B - Wider.
or
C - Longer.
or
D - All of the above?
or
E - Some combination of A, B & C?
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