Deniers who claim 'ausrotten' does not mean 'extermination', do Germans not know their own language?

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Deniers who claim 'ausrotten' does not mean 'extermination', do Germans not know their own language?

Post by Goody67 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:58 am

Why do deniers claim that Himmler did not mean extermination during the Posen speeches?

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... peech.html

German historian Peter Longerich said:
I have not yet found a single example of Hitler or Himmler using the term "ausrotten" during the Second World War with respect to human beings or a group of human beings other than in the sense of "to kill in large numbers or to kill all as far as possible".
German Holocaust-deniers, writing in German, of course know what "ausrotten" means. They use the word to describe killing, extermination, annihilation, because that is what it means. Here's an example of how German Holocaust-deniers describe "ausrotten".
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... tten.shtml

Native German speakers and the use of 'ausrotten', here.

Why do some deniers think that they know the German language better than German speakers?
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Post by Huntinger » Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:55 pm

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Post by Nessie » Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:57 pm

The irony is that elsewhere, denier claims are made the Nazis did not use euphemisms.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Post by Huntinger » Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:59 pm

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Post by Goody67 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:12 pm

Nessie wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:57 pm
The irony is that elsewhere, denier claims are made the Nazis did not use euphemisms.
As expected, the response is trolling/spamming the various different threads with the same message.

Deniers think they know better than everyone else e.g. historians, scholars, forensic scientists, native German speakers, etc. The list is really endless. In reality, the deniers know very little hence why they are deniers in the first place. Their beliefs are a mixture of ignorance, antisemitism, racism, etc.
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Re: Deniers who claim 'ausrotten' does not mean 'extermination', do Germans not know their own language?

Post by Huntinger » Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:27 pm

Goody67 wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:12 pm
Nessie wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:57 pm
The irony is that elsewhere, denier claims are made the Nazis did not use euphemisms.
As expected, the response is trolling/spamming the various different threads with the same message.

Deniers think they know better than everyone else e.g. historians, scholars, forensic scientists, native German speakers, etc. The list is really endless. In reality, the deniers know very little hence why they are deniers in the first place. Their beliefs are a mixture of ignorance, antisemitism, racism, etc.
blah blah blah blah blah who cares what Goody has to say..anyone??? ..Peter? Paul? Mary? Jesus? Earthworms? I don't. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Nessie » Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:49 pm

That this topic is exiled to Siberia and trolled, is proof that it is something deniers want to suppress.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Re: Deniers who claim 'ausrotten' does not mean 'extermination', do Germans not know their own language?

Post by Frankie » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:06 pm

"No human remains of millions to be seen in allegedly known locations, no 'holocaust'."

As for the desperate 'ausrotten' claim, and discussing Himmler's Posen speech here: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10278
we read:
- In 1993, Robert Wolfe, supervisory archivist for captured German records at the National Archives admitted that a more precise translation of 'ausrottung' would be extirpation or tearing up by the roots. Wolfe also pointed out that in Himmler's handwritten notes for the speech, that Himmler used the term, 'judenevakuierung', or evacuation of the Jews, not 'extermination'.

Then we have some True Believers citing much later dictionaries claiming ausrotten as meaning 'extermination' (uprooting is it's real meaning) ... published in accordance with the propaganda about WWII. There's problems with that though:

- Here's something from a 1935 speech by Rudolf Hess:
National Socialist legislation has now introduced corrective measures against this over-alienization. I say corrective, because the proof that the Jews are not being ruthlessly rooted out [AUSGEROTTET] is that in Prussia alone 33,500 Jews are working in manufacturing and industry, and 89, 800 are engaged in trade and commerce; and that with only 1 per cent of the population Jewish, 17.5 per cent of our attorneys and in Berlin nearly half the registered doctors are still Jewish.
Ofcourse at this time (1935), the charge against the Nazis was not that they were ruthlessly exterminating the Jews.

- The 1936 anti-German book by Leon Feuchtwanger and others entitled DER GELBE FLECK: DIE AUSROTTUNG VON 500,000 DEUTSCHEN JUDEN.
I guess the absurd 'exterminations' started in 1936 then.

- Hitler in his Berlin Sportpalast speech of February 1933:
den Marxismus und seine Begleiterscheinungen aus Deutschland AUSZUROTTEN" - "to eradicate Marxism and its accompanying phenomena from Germany
.
How does one explain "from Germany", "out of Germany" if the "auszurotten" only possible meaning was the physical extermination of living beings? Was Hitler thinking of gassing "Marxism" itself? If so, no gassings of German Marxists has been alleged before the war.

- It should also be pointed out that if Hitler's plan to exterminate the Jews was a secret plan that required the destruction of evidence at the end of the war, then why did he use the word ausrotten in so many of his public speeches prior to the war?'
Either way, the meaning of 'ausrotten' actually plays against the holocaust theory. If it did mean murder and the plan was public, then that means the Germans did not attempt to carry out a secret plan and did not attempt to destroy the evidence afterwards to conceal the plan. Clearly this has major implications reaching far beyond the meaning of one of Himmler's "secret" speeches. If the meaning of the word is figurative, then Himmler's speech is not proof of anything.
And another demolition of ugly Zionism:
Jonathan Harrison & Roberto Muehlenkamp ripped on the 'ausrottung' canard
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10708


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