The average cremation rate is the stoking rate. Full incineration of any corpse takes much much longer. Using the term "incinerating" in this way strongly implies full incineration - and not simply cremation up to the chest combustion phase - after which additional corpses would be stoked into a muffle.Nessie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:23 amThe translation is not an issue, cremate and incinerate mean the same in this context.blake121666 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:13 pmNessie needs to be more careful with his quoting and with his understanding of these quotes. And I quite doubt he has read the Italian version of Mattogno's "The Cremation Furnaces of Auschwitz" - so citing this as the Italian "IFCDA" shows that he doesn't even READ the sources he cites!
The important thing to note in the 10/30/41 German document "Explanatory note for the preliminary project for the new construction ..." is that it claims:
This is as quoted in Mattogno's book. This is a misnomer by whomever wrote this. The AVERAGE cremation rate would be 60 men in an hour. 60 men would not be incinerated in one hour. But the document actually says:It contains 5 furnaces with 3 muffles each for two men, and will thus allow incinerating 60 men in an hour.
Eingeäschert = "cremated" in this context - not "incinerated". A better translation would be:... sodass in einer Stunde 60 Mann eingeäschert werden können... so 60 men can be cremated in one hour
Please show me where that is, you make plenty of mistakes.But this is an estimate about these ovens over a year before they were built. It is not based on any actual performance of these particular ovens as Nessie is making out.
Which shows, even if it was a projection, that progress was being made towards multiple corpse cremations, so arguments from ignorance and incredulity it was not possible as described by Tauber and others are still fallacies.And the MOST important thing to note is that it claims that each muffle would be loaded with TWO corpses.
The document is from 10/30/41. The Birkenau ovens were not built and in operation until early '43. KII's ovens first came online on 3/31/43, went down on 5/22/43, and then back online in September sometime. KIV's oven first came online 3/22/43, down mid-May, ... etc. KIII's ovens first came online 06/25/43. This is all well over a year from 10/31/41.
The most important part of that quote is that it shows that those ovens were being designed to accommodate TWO corpses at a time in each muffle. And they estimated that an average cremation rate of 60 corpses per hour could be achieved in this way.
EDIT: The important point being that if people think any of these estimates are estimating that the incineration of corpses would occur 4 times faster than any other ovens, they are quite mistaken. It is the stoking of multiple corpses into these ovens that brings down the average cremation time. The corpses themselves didn't incinerate much faster.