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Re: Tomorrow belongs to me.

Post by NSDAP » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:16 pm

Some juden were murdered by criminals. How many?? 1.2-1.7 million. One murder is one to many. My interest is finding out why and culpability. Did herr Hitler know?. I hope Mr Irving is correct in some aspects.
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No one is stopping you from putting forward an alternative, complaining about laws against HD is no excuse for not doing so either. There are plenty of countries where HD is not illegal too. In any case it has been substantially investigated and doesn't need investigating unless you are working in a field in which more understanding on a given area of the H is required.
An alternative without evidence is just an unformulated hypothesis, but there may be enough there to warrant further investigation. This takes time and money so needs to be focused. We want documentation from some volk of Deutschland who may come up with some leads regarding corruption in the Shutzstaffel basically in the SD. Considering what happened to Oskar Gröning this is not likely (and he was a supporter of the Holocaust story). This is the aim of the HD laws to stop hard evidence coming to light and also to suppress free thinking.
The interesting point as put forward by Friedrich is that we had the technology to do this alleged murder efficiently and yet for some reason there is no documentation that it was used. I have no problem with the version of Zyklon B by eyewitnesses as they were not to know the finesse of gas executions. There is a similarity of the witnessing of executions by other methods which were not accurately depicted. Eyewitness testimony of the French Revolution for instance showed pictures depicting a guillotine in action but a machine of that design would probably not work and different to the real thing. One in a forum designed to revise the revolution could speak of blade angle, height of the uprights and so on which can distract from the main point. In a way I am not sure if our attention to detail here is not the same thing.

I suspect that the Einsatz camps were run by rogue units in the SD and not authorized by the NSDAP at the time, this is what is being investigated. Many if not all disagree with that proposal but it was also put forward by Mr Irving at one point.
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Eye witness drawing of guillotine execution
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The Guillotine model used on Louis XVI, looks remarkably different to the one above from eyewitness.
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A real guillotine, slightly different to one used on the Louis VI
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Re: Tomorrow belongs to me.

Post by Duke Umeroffen » Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:39 pm

Read 'Into that darkness.' Ignore all that bizarre demented crap about Franz Stangl being poisoned by Gita Sereny - if it comes up on this stupid board - which the Jew para and hating diametric opposite crazies upon it claim with no evidence for the fact beyond their own trippy fantasies. Stangl Treblinka chef started as ordinary kripo. He was never in the SD. He worked in T4 along with all these other guys who were then transferred to Lublin under Globus. Presumably having then gained the practical experience necessary in T4. His police record attests that he wasn't SD either.

That guy who lived by Belzec created his own eye witness paintings of the clean-up operation when the mass graves (which don't exist blah blah blah ad nauseum) of the corpses were disinterred and placed upon rails. Similar to the arrangement where air-raid victims of our terror flieger were cremated in the Altmarket. So depictions do exist of what occurred.

Given that it was a secret Reich matter, its highly unlikely unlike La guillotine and the revolution that depictions of the AR installations would survive - especially given the fact that a letter exists in which Globus states clearly that he destroyed the AR files when it came time to closing these make-shift camps.

I am quite certain with the talented and resourceful bunch of individuals who staffed AR that they were more than capable - just as Suchomel reported it to Lanzmann - of creating an efficient if primitive killing machine. Its a waste of time conducting intelligent conversation with the deniers on this board though as they often refuse to read the historiography or spend the entire time bullshitting from a point far removed from current reality enrobed in their peculiar tedious copy cat rhetoric. Which is why I find this place so tiresome and vacuous.

That the evidence does not now exist to satisfy the addicted requirements of deniers, does in no sense mean that it once did exist. Just as it is with T4, a large amount of the relevant files are missing. Its a credit to the historians really that they have pieced it together. No credit to Revisionists that in starting from a totally different angle, i.e no holocaust and some crazee hoax, they have fucked it up Royale with er...cheese.

What evidence beyond your own paranoia do you have for the argument that HD laws exist to stop these loonies investigating? None. But thanks for your post and the best o' luck!
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Re: Tomorrow belongs to me.

Post by NSDAP » Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:48 am

Duke Umeroffen wrote:
Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:39 pm
Franz Stangl ... His police record attests that he wasn't SD either.
He may not have actually been SD but as that was an intelligence agency, this man might have indeed been an agent or operative which would not show up on police records. If the police know about agents then they are no longer operatives: the police have enough issues keeping their own spooks secret let alone those of real intelligence agencies.

Given that it was a secret Reich matter, its highly unlikely unlike La guillotine and the revolution that depictions of the AR installations would survive - especially given the fact that a letter exists in which Globus states clearly that he destroyed the AR files when it came time to closing these make-shift camps.
From all accounts it seems to be an intelligence operation and possibly would not be known by the NSDAP of the Reich, or herr Hitler.
I am quite certain with the talented and resourceful bunch of individuals who staffed AR that they were more than capable - just as Suchomel reported it to Lanzmann - of creating an efficient if primitive killing machine.

I am quite sure that they could, but the existing eye witness testimonies don't quite match the actuality. So what happened I am beginning to think is a quasi euthansia program that extended to other undesirables due to lack of direction through ineffectual leadership; from those who are disabled to those who are elderly and infirm, to perhaps those who could not work for one reason or another due to disease or mere youth. It is possible to see the escalation here and also the potential for gross exaggeration of what happened. There may be a correlation between the escalation and the changing fortunes of the war, but this needs to be looked at.
What evidence beyond your own paranoia do you have for the argument that HD laws exist to stop these loonies investigating?
Just the evidence of those convicted of denial under unwarranted laws and the emotion of the people of various European countries not the least beign Deutschland. Thank you for your time.

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Re: Tomorrow belongs to me.

Post by Duke Umeroffen » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:28 pm

You're welcome, I enjoy discussion with you though I fear that there is not much common ground.
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Re: Tomorrow belongs to me.

Post by NSDAP » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:43 pm

Duke Umeroffen wrote:
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You're welcome, I enjoy discussion with you though I fear that there is not much common ground.
I too enjoyed talking with you. If there was always common ground there would be little to talk about, it is the new ideas that are important and sometimes refreshing: this stops stagnation. When the evidence is there, I might act as the devils advocate and ask relevant questions and then usually change my mind. Evidence is usually scientific but nothing is set in concrete but on probabilities. Cheers.

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Re: Tomorrow belongs to me.

Post by NSDAP » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:56 am

Thank you Friedrich, the current issue is the lying on the Scriven case and the Siria issue. Every grain of our being says this is subterfuge. If they are doing this now to Mr Putin, they did it then to the National Socialist Government of Deutschland. The current western democracy with these people in control is like a very sad novel from 1984 by Orwell: in that scenario the bad dudes were the the Russians and the good guys were not us. I think those walls of delusion are crumbling: the world is unfolding on itself and yes the past can be visible. We bet them. Thank you. Anyway enjoy them fall. The irony is that Juden were the inspiration for those past governments for their own purposes and now despite the holocaust claims will still support a National Socialist government that is inclusive of their aim. The mirror of illusion, delusion is broken; we are all citizens of the world. A real National Socialist world will bring world wide prosperity and human happiness.

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Re: Tomorrow belongs to me.

Post by NSDAP » Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:53 am

I love this song. It has intentions of the common working class, cowboy. Enjoy

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Not perfect but thought it was cool.

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