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So what about California bill SB145?

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Jeffk1970 wrote:
Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:30 am
Turnagain wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:30 pm
Jeff1970 wrote:
Werd, are you saying that the left is attempting to push pedophilia into the mainstream? That the left wants to make it OK for adults to do sexual things with children?
Uh, Jeff, go here:
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/ca- ... ually-abus
Uh, Turnagain, that law is an updated version of another law that gives judges discretion on whether or not to make someone register as a sex offender.

The earlier version dealt with vaginal sex.

What have I told you about meandering through the dark corners of the internet where the morons dwell, Turnagain?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usato ... 3456171001

It doesn’t change any existing laws and still protects children.
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Turnagain's link.

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/ca- ... buse-kids/
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California lawmakers introduce bill to protect pedophiles who sexually abuse innocent kids
Posted by: Leah Anaya|January 28, 2020

SACRAMENTO, CA- If you’re a pedophile and want to rape sweet, innocent, young children, then California is the state for you.

If you’re a parent who cares about the safety of your sweet, innocent, young children, then get the hell out of California.

The far left is going even further off the deep end, an act I didn’t think was even possible. And the ones most affected by their proposed asinine legislation are those very children you want so much to protect, and pedophiles want so much to molest.

State Senator Scott Wiener (I’m not even going to comment on the appropriateness of his name here) and Assemblywoman Susan Eggman co-introduced Senate bill 145, which they say will “end blatant discrimination against LGBT young people regarding California’s sex offender registry.”

The legislation reads, in part:

“This bill would authorize a person convicted of certain offenses involving minors to seek discretionary relief from the duty to register if the person is not more than 10 years older than the minor.”



Wiener said (try to take him seriously despite his name):

“Currently, for consensual yet illegal sexual relations between a teenager age 15 and over and a partner within 10 years of age, ‘sexual intercourse’ (i.e., vaginal intercourse) does not require the offender to go onto the sex offender registry; rather, the judge decides based on the facts of the case whether sex offender registration is warranted or unwarranted.

By contrast, for other forms of intercourse — specifically, oral and anal intercourse — sex offender registration is mandated under all situations, with no judicial discretion.”


What does all that mean?

It means that the left believes that it’s LGBTQ-ist to not require a pedophile to register as a sex offender just because he sticks his penis inside of a little boy’s butt (hey, it’s crass, but this is reality here, people).

There’s no age listed in this legislation as there is in current law, so depending on the sexual abuser’s age, this could potentially stop protecting children at the age of 8.

It means that a bleeding-heart judge can allow a sex offender to just “live his truth” because, hey, it’s not his fault that he is obsessed with and turned on by children.

It means that an 18-year old man can engage in sexual intercourse or activities with an 8-year old boy or girl and would not necessarily have to register as a sex offender.

Just read those last few sentences one more time to make sure you are taking in the absolute horrendousness of it.



How can this even be a possibility, you might be asking?

I know that’s one question, among many others, that I had after taking in this information. The answer is just as absurd as the legislation: because if the pervert is able to be qualified as LGBTQP (yes, that “P” is for “Pedophilia”), then he is just “expressing himself” in his child fetish.

Because, yes, let’s allow our children to be molested and raped, all in the name of “equality.”

All so that some sicko can take sexual advantage of innocent young humans. All so these sick, child-obsessed deviants can feel included and not feel abnormal.

Well, guess what? Sorry to tell you, but SEXUALLY TOUCHING A CHILD IS ABNORMAL. I don’t care how un-inclusive I sound, that’s just the bottom line.

It’s NOT normal to be obsessed with children in a sexual way. It’s NOT ok to allow someone to molest a child because you don’t want to make him feel bad about himself.

It’s NOT ok to put the perverted indulgences of someone with obviously severe mental health issues above the safety of our children.

I can’t put it any better than The National Sentinel:

“It’s not ‘discrimination’ to arrest someone and charge them with sexually abusing a minor if in fact there is evidence of the crime.

It’s not discriminatory to convict and sentence them.

It’s not discriminatory to make them register as sex offenders, regardless of their sexual orientation. Unless, of course, you’re a lunatic pervert yourself.”


This is not about LQBTQ rights, this is not a homo- or trans-phobic issue. It’s not a party issue. This is about protecting our babies. Our children don’t deserve to be exploited and sexually abused just because we don’t want to hurt someone’s feelings.



If they have the right to “express themselves” by molesting and raping children, then surely the parents of said children have the right to “express” their displeasure with the acts by kicking their asses?

No. Not in California. That would be a hate crime.

SB 145 was introduced in last January’s legislative session but suspended before it reached the floor for vote in September. Reports from the LGBTQ community raged that the bill was just a ruse to get votes for the 2020 election, and they may be right.

If I were a Californian, though, I wouldn’t be taking any chances.
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Jeff's link.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 456171001/

Fact check: California's SB-145 eliminates an inequality in sex offender registration
Camille Caldera, USA TODAY Published 2:48 p.m. ET Sept. 3, 2020

The claim: California passed 'pro-pedophilia' legislation to remove the felony status of sex with minors

Late Monday, just before the legislative session expired, Senate Bill 145 passed the California State Assembly 41-18 and the State Senate 32-10, according to the San Francisco Chronicle.

But posts shared thousands of times claimed that the "pro-pedophilia" legislation had actually passed a day earlier, by a vote of 6-2, and misconstrued its contents.

"It’s a PRO PEDOPHILIA BILL. States NO registration or felony if sex with minor is w/in 10yrs," one post explains, with the hashtag #SaveOurChildren.

"It states no felony for having sex with a minors," another post reads.

The misinformation is the latest in a series of attacks on the legislation and the lawmaker who introduced it – state Sen. Scott Wiener, D-San Fransisco – by right-wing conspiracy theorists known as QAnon.

Their attacks against Wiener included death threats, homophobia and anti-semitism, according to the San Francisco Chronicle.

Users behind the posts did not respond to request for comment from USA TODAY.
Legislation unrelated to whether sex with minors is a misdemeanor, felony

SB-145 will not affect the criminal status of sex between minors and adults.

The age of consent for sexual intercourse in California is 18. Accordingly, any sex act with a person younger than 18 is a crime, though whether it is a misdemeanor or felony depends on the age of the people involved, according to the California Penal Code.

Samuel Garrett-Pate, a spokesman for Equality California, a nonprofit that co-sponsored the legislation, told USA TODAY the bill is "ending in an inequity, not legalizing anything."

"What SB-145 does is not legalize any sort of conduct, as those viral posts suggests," he said.

If signed by Gov. Gavin Newsom in the next month, the bill will become law.

Legislation eliminates an anti-LGBTQ inequality in sex offender registration requirements

SB-145 changes the law to allow judges the same level of discretion over whether certain people must register as sex offenders for consensual anal and oral sex as they already have for consensual penile-vaginal sex.
The bill aims to make it so that a hetero relationship with a certain age disparity is treated the same way as a homo relationship with the same age disparity because two males don't have any vagina; therefore since all they have is oral and anal, a homo offender should be treated with the same level of punishment as a hetero person. Don't make anal and oral punishment worse in a homo relationship while allowing less punishment for vaginal sex even when both cases of similar age disparity.

Okay. I see the argument.
According to its Senate Floor Analysis, the legislation "exempts a person convicted of nonforcible sodomy with a minor, oral copulation with a minor, or sexual penetration with a minor, as specified, from having to automatically register as a sex offender."

Though it removes the "automatic" requirement, "a person convicted of one of those specified offenses may still be ordered to register in the discretion of the court."

It's also applicable only if the adult was within 10 years of age of the minor at the time the offense, and the minor was at least 14 years old – provisions known in some states as Romeo and Juliet laws.

Before SB-145, an 18-year-old male convicted of having oral or anal sex with a 17-year-old male would be required to register as a sex offender, while a 24-year-old male convicted of having penile-vaginal sex with a 15-year-old female would not be automatically required to register – it would be left up to the judge.

Garrett-Pate said SB-145 creates parity regardless of sexual orientation.

"The current law says that for penile-vaginal sex, it's up to the judge to determine whether or not that person should be placed on the registry," he said. "Under current law, however, the judge has no discretion if it's oral or anal sex. That means that LGBTQ young people end up being treated differently than their non-LGBTQ peers."

Jackie Lacey, the Los Angeles County district attorney who drafted and co-sponsored the legislation, told USA TODAY the legislation "brings much-needed parity to California’s sexual offender registration law."

"This bill allows judges and prosecutors to evaluate cases involving consensual sex acts between young people, regardless of their sexual orientation, on an individual basis," she said in a statement. "I drafted this bill because I believe the law must be applied equally to ensure justice for all Californians.”

Notably, SB-145 does not apply to intercourse of any kind with minors who are younger than 14. In those cases, mandatory sex offender registration is required by law.

Legislation intended to improve sex offender database, end discrimination

Rather than enabling pedophilia, as the posts suggest, advocates say SB-145 will improve the sex offender registry.

That's why it had the support of the California Coalition Against Sexual Assault, the California Police Chiefs Association, the California Attorneys for Criminal Justice, the Crime Victims Action Alliance and Children Now, among others.

"The sex offender registry being a tool for crime solving in the future is only effective if the people on it are actually a threat to or a danger to their community," Garrett-Pate said.

"It strengthens the registry by making sure that it's usable because the people on it are actually people who are a threat to society, not a high school student who made a mistake," he added.

The state's sex offender database has more than 100,000 registered sex offenders, which law enforcement agencies have said is too large to fulfill its purpose of tracking potential predators, according to the San Fransisco Chronicle.

SB-145 also ends discrimination that Garrett-Pate said was written into law because of outdated bans on sodomy, which were repealed in California in the 1970s and nationwide in 2004.

Wiener told USA TODAY that SB-145 is "a basic equity law."

“Despite massive, disgusting misinformation from the QAnon cult – including extreme death threats against me – we were able to pass SB-145, because it’s the right thing to do," he said in a statement. "I’m grateful that my colleagues saw through the lies and understood that LGBTQ young people are having their lives destroyed simply for having consensual sex. We need to stop criminalizing our youth and stop treating LGBTQ youth more harshly than straight youth."
In other words, if a 17 year old fucks a 20 year old and they are both gay, sentence them the SAME WAY as you would a 17 year old and a 20 year old who were straight.

Okay I see the argument.
Our rating: False

Based on our research, viral claims about SB-145 as "pro-pedophilia" legislation are FALSE. From its passage and vote count to its contents, posts online have spread falsehoods about the legislation, which allows judges to have the same level of discretion over sex offender registration for anal and oral sex that they already do for penile-vaginal sex. It is intended to strengthen the sex offender registry and end discrimination against LGBTQ youth. SB-145 does not apply to intercourse of any kind with minors who are younger than 14. In those cases, mandatory sex offender registration is required by law. It's also applicable only if the adult was within 10 years of age of the minor at the time the offense.
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020 ... -children/
California Legislature Passes Bill Reducing Penalties for Oral, Anal Sex with Willing Children

California lawmakers passed a bill Monday that would reduce penalties for adults who have oral or anal sex with a willing minor child if the sex offender is within ten years of the age of the victim.

The bill now heads to the desk of Gov. Gavin Newsom (D).



According to SB 145, the legislation “would exempt from mandatory registration” as a sex offender “a person convicted of certain offenses involving minors if the person is not more than 10 years older than the minor and if that offense is the only one requiring the person to register.”

The measure would allow a judge to decide if an adult who engages in oral or anal sex with a child must register as a sex offender if that person is within ten years of the age of the victim.

That's a possible interpretation. It's also possible that this bill DOESN'T aim to attempt to lower the age of consent and that NO MATTER WHAT the age of the under age victim, if there's more than a ten year gap, then it could mean less harsh punishment and possible non compulsory sex offender registry. I suppose that LINGUISTICALLY, it's possible that a 6 year old could get raped by a 15 year old and it would be less punishment than in the old days. But that would ONLY HAPPEN if this law ALLOWS FOR or at least ATTEMPTS TO CHANGE THE ALREADY EXISTING AGE OF LAW OF CONSENT. And so far, THAT is what we are lacking proof of.
If these legislators would just be smart and put a disclaimer in their own drafted legislation in a paragraph or sub-paragraph saying "by the way, this 10 year gap only applies to this range of ages and can not be used as a rule to excuse a sexual relationship between a 6 year old and a fifteen year old or lessen punishment for such a crime" we could avoid these problems and false interpretations of the law.
In January 2019, the San Francisco Examiner reported on the introduction of the bill by State Sen. Scott Wiener (D), who claimed the current law, which states oral and anal sex between an adult within ten years of the age of a willing minor requires the adult to be registered as a sex offender, discriminates against LGBT individuals.

The bill would put an end to “blatant discrimination against young LGBT people engaged in consensual activity,” Wiener said:

"This bill is about treating everyone equally under the law. Discrimination against LGBT people is simply not the California way. These laws were put in place during a more conservative and anti-LGBT time in California’s history. They have ruined people’s lives and made it harder for them to get jobs, secure housing, and live productive lives. It is time we update these laws and treat everyone equally."

Currently in California, judges may decide whether adults who have “penile-vaginal intercourse” with minors close to their age must register as a sex offender.

Wiener said the current law targets LGBT individuals because they do not engage in penile-vaginal intercourse.

“This is such horrific homophobia,” Wiener said, according to the San Francisco Chronicle. “It’s irrational, and it ruins people’s lives.”

The Chronicle‘s report stated that, in 1975, California decriminalized oral and anal sex between consenting adults, but adults who engaged in these practices with minors were treated as sex offenders.

In a tweet, Wiener urged his followers to read an Associated Press “fact check” story about the controversial bill that minimizes its impact with the headline, “Bill Would Not Legalize Pedophilia in California.”

“The bill is the subject of a massive misinformation campaign by MAGA/QAnon,” Wiener posted.
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https://apnews.com/afs:Content:9289454083
Bill would not legalize pedophilia in California
By The Associated PressSeptember 2, 2020 GMT

CLAIM: California just passed SB 145, a bill that would end felonies for child rape and legalize pedophilia in the state.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. SB 145 would not legalize pedophilia. It would only give judges expanded discretion to determine whether an adult must register as a sex offender. Under current law, judges can make that decision in cases of voluntary, but illegal, vaginal sex with a minor age 14 to 17 and an adult within 10 years of the minor’s age. SB 145 would expand that law to include voluntary oral and anal sex within the same age parameters. The bill would not apply to any minor under the age of 14, nor would it apply to any age gap larger than 10 years. It also would not apply if either party claims the sex was involuntary. Advocates say the bill makes existing California law more inclusive for the LGBTQ community.
Treat gay criminals the same way you would hetero criminals.

Okay I can see the argument.
THE FACTS: A California bill that would give judges discretion on sex offender registration in certain statutory rape cases involving anal and oral sex has been widely condemned by social media users falsely claiming it would legalize pedophilia.

“PEDOPHILIA is now LEGAL in CALIFORNIA,” read a Facebook post viewed more than 8 million times. “Now a 21 year old can have sex with an 11 year old, and not be listed on the sex registry as a sex offender. This is unbelievable California!”

“Dire, devastating news,” read another post widely shared on Facebook and Instagram. “How does this even happen?? Evil. That’s how. There will be no felonies for sex with a minor any longer in CA.”

These posts fundamentally misrepresent what SB 145 does, according to the bill’s authors and outside experts.

Jessica Levinson, a professor at Loyola Law School, called the claims “hogwash” in an interview with The Associated Press.

“The accusation that it somehow allows pedophilia is simply not true,” Levinson said.

The bill has passed both houses of the California legislature and awaits a signature from Gov. Gavin Newsom. If passed, it would not legalize pedophilia or end child rape felonies.

Instead, it would expand an existing California law involving statutory rape with vaginal sex to cover anal and oral sex too.

Currently in California, voluntary sex between a teenager age 14 to 17 and an adult within 10 years of their age is treated differently depending on the sex act. In cases of vaginal sex, the law allows a judge to decide whether or not the adult should have to register as a sex offender. In cases of anal and oral sex, the adult must register as a sex offender.
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SB 145 would expand the law, giving judges discretion in cases of voluntary anal and oral sex between a teenager age 14 and 17 and an adult no more than 10 years older.
Treat gay criminals the same way you would hetero criminals.

Okay I can see the argument.
Contrary to false posts on social media, the bill would not apply when a minor is under the age of 14, when the age gap is larger than 10 years, or when either party says the sex was not consensual.

If passed, the bill would “bring much-needed parity” to California sex offender registration law, according to a statement from Los Angeles County District Attorney Jackie Lacey, who drafted the bill.

“This bill allows judges and prosecutors to evaluate cases involving consensual sex acts between young people, regardless of their sexual orientation, on an individual basis,” the statement said.

The false posts spreading on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram on Wednesday echoed posts shared by conspiracy theory and QAnon social media accounts earlier in the summer, when the bill was being discussed in the state legislature.

QAnon is a right-wing, pro-Trump conspiracy theory centered on unfounded beliefs of a so-called deep state plot against the president involving satanism and child sex trafficking.

In early August, when such posts emerged, state Sen. Scott Wiener received threatening messages using anti-gay slurs and calling him a pedophile for sponsoring SB 145, his office said.

“Despite massive, disgusting misinformation from the QAnon cult — including extreme death threats against me — we were able to pass SB 145 because it’s the right thing to do,” Wiener told the AP in a statement. “I’m grateful that my colleagues saw through the lies and understood that LGBTQ young people are having their lives destroyed simply for having consensual sex.”

Before the legislature passed the bill, some California lawmakers spoke out against it, including Democratic Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez, who said she thought the 10-year age gap was too broad.

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