Nationalsocialism in the XXI century

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Nationalsocialism in the XXI century

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I'm interested in knowing how nationalsocialism has evolved since its inception (in the late 1920s, I believe). One hundred years is a lot of time, and I think that in that time other political stances have evolved to accommodate things like the internet, globalization, etc. I'm not sure if the same is true for nationalsocialism, though, since due to its peculiar story it might have been "frozen in time" in 1945. So, is modern nationalsocialism different than nationalsocialism in the 1930s? If so, how?

Follow-up question: The body of reference of nationalsocialism in the 1930s was, of course, the NSDAP. Is there any body of reference of nationalsocialism in the XXI century?

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Both Fascism and National Socialism were formed to combat the imminent threat of Bolshevism, i.e. foreign rule proxied by ideology. National Socialism was then suppressed worldwide or otherwise deliberately diverted into inchoate, inane nonsense.

There is no modern equivalent to study and besides some of their ideas are not fully practicable without a lot of changes. As Japan or Germany found out, creating a self-contained economic area is harder than on paper.

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Admiral E. Rastus wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:35 pm
As Japan or Germany found out, creating a self-contained economic area is harder than on paper.
Russia and China are trying it, or so they said. Non reliance on the USD

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Huntinger wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:30 am
Admiral E. Rastus wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:35 pm
As Japan or Germany found out, creating a self-contained economic area is harder than on paper.
Russia and China are trying it, or so they said. Non reliance on the USD
They aren't, really. Self-contained means self-contained. A Russian or a Han Chinese can download or buy a ticket to see some Marvel movie, and thereby be directly lectured to by foreigners. How's that working for "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state?"

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Admiral E. Rastus wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:35 pm
Bolshevism, i.e. foreign rule proxied by ideology.
What do you mean by this?
Admiral E. Rastus wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:35 pm
National Socialism was [...] deliberately diverted into inchoate, inane nonsense.
And this?

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Nationalsozialismus in the XXI century

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Alonso wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:47 am
Admiral E. Rastus wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:35 pm
National Socialism was [...] deliberately diverted into inchoate, inane nonsense.
It seems that the poster Rastus is referring to Neo Nazis and the public perception of nationalsozialismus which has nothing to do with the reality. The current perception is orchestrated by Internationale Juden.

Of course the war stopped the concept being developed fully; the meanings changed into war time expediency. Rastus may clarify this if he had another meaning he wished to convey. :?:

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Huntinger wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:53 am
It seems that the poster Rastus is referring to Neo Nazis
I guess that this might seem like a very basic question, but I'm really interested: What are Neo Nazis? The term is not new to me, of course, I've heard it hundreds of times. But I've also heard hundreds of times the term nazi and in the end it turned out that what people mean when they use it has very little to do with reality. So I imagine it's best to ask here than to try my luck in google. I'd like to know what they really are and how they are similar and/or different than nationalsocialists.

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Alonso wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:14 am
I'd like to know what they really are and how they are similar and/or different than nationalsocialists.
You decide which is which ;)
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Rochus Misch on neo-Nazis:
β€œAch, neo-Nazi. There is no such thing.

What does β€˜neo-Nazi’ mean? New Nationalist, right?
There aren’t any. That’s just a buzzword.
What you have are nationally conscious people, people who say, β€˜my fatherland, right or wrong.’
'My fatherland, nothing more', am I right?
The British say it, the Swiss say it, the Israelis say it.
β€˜My country,’ they say, 'and I’ll fight for it'.
The Israelis are [also] nationalistic people, they [also] defend their region, they defend their people...
The whole Iraq war isn’t about Saddam Hussein; it’s about Israel. Israel can’t exist on avocados and oranges! A nation lives from business. They have to have money. And the Americans always pay in. This is just my opinion, but why did they occupy Iraq? Supposedly because of WMDs? In my opinion, because Iraq is a wealthy oil region..."
-- From a 2005 interview with American author Ida Hattemer-Higgins and published in Salon.
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been-there wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:12 pm
Rochus Misch on neo-Nazis:
β€œAch, neo-Nazi. There is no such thing.

What does β€˜neo-Nazi’ mean? New Nationalist, right?
There aren’t any. That’s just a buzzword.
What you have are nationally conscious people, people who say, β€˜my fatherland, right or wrong.’
'My fatherland, nothing more', am I right?
The British say it, the Swiss say it, the Israelis say it.
β€˜My country,’ they say, 'and I’ll fight for it'.
The Israelis are [also] nationalistic people, they [also] defend their region, they defend their people...
The whole Iraq war isn’t about Saddam Hussein; it’s about Israel. Israel can’t exist on avocados and oranges! A nation lives from business. They have to have money. And the Americans always pay in. This is just my opinion, but why did they occupy Iraq? Supposedly because of WMDs? In my opinion, because Iraq is a wealthy oil region..."
-- From a 2005 interview with American author Ida Hattemer-Higgins and published in Salon.
Put a bit more faith in me, guys. I always search the forum before I post a question. I had already searched for all the uses of the term "neo nazi" in this forum before I posted my question, and I read all the posts that seemed remotely relevant. This was indeed the one that seemed more relevant to my question, but still it doesn't provide an answer. "Neo nazi" might be a buzzword, but it is clear that many people use the term, including people in this forum, so it must have a meaning, however misguided its use might be. Even clincher in the post above seems to imply that the guy in the picture on the left is a neo nazi.

Maybe it helps if I ask more specific questions:
  • Are there any people in the world who consider themselves neo nazis? If so, who are they?
  • Do nationalsocialists consider themselves neo nazis? Why, or why not?
  • What do YOU mean when YOU use the term "neo nazi" (if you use it at all)?
  • What do other people or groups of people (for example, mainstream media, zionists, leftists, etc.) mean when they use the term "neo nazi"?

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