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Coronavirus

Post by Huntinger » Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:18 am

Normal influenza spreads around the world in yearly outbreaks, resulting in about three to five million cases of severe illness and about 290,000 to 650,000 deaths, this means those who contact the flu result in mortality figures of 9.6 - 13%. If the number of people who actually catch the virus and not severely ill, the number drops to about 2% of deaths.

This new strain in china has killed 450 people with 28 000 confirmed cases of those infected. This means the mortality so far is 1.6%, far less than the normal flu and yet there is ultra panic from many nations.

Seems someone is producing a scare for no reason at all.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by been-there » Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:23 am

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Post by TheGodfather » Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:02 am

The West, of course. Also, some scientists believe that the virus is a result of bio-warfare against China:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-cor ... te/5702420

https://www.globalresearch.ca/chinas-ne ... ts/5701662

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Post by torus9 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:25 am

I give it no attention whatsoever.

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Post by torus9 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:03 pm

Huntinger wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:18 am

Seems someone is producing a scare for no reason at all.
No doubt. For example, Steve "shit/scare-monger" Quayle and his pal, Hal Turner.

"Virus Completely OUT OF CONTROL, Killing Tens-of-Thousands Every day; Gov't Covering-up"

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.ph ... overing-up

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Post by Scott » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:30 pm

A 2019 Novel Coronavirus case was identified in Tempe, Arizona last week--the fifth case in the United States at the time--and it is somebody affiliated with Arizona State University who is not a student but who had just been to Wuhan.

ASU has a world-class Biodesign Institute, but the local health authorities have not said anything more publicly, so we don't know anything more about the person's actual affiliation, other than them not actually being a student.

ASU does have a huge Chinese student population, and many of them started wearing face masks, and there were early calls to close the University--an idea that was rejected early since the sole diagnosed case was already in isolation and there have been no new cases diagnosed since.

The U.S. has been having a pretty severe influenza epidemic this year, with the flu vaccine more effective against an earlier strain. I've been getting the annual influenza vaccination every year and I have not had the actual flu ever since I can remember, back to at least two decades ago.

In 2009, we were warned to get two flu shots, so that year I got the normal annual influenza mix and a special vaccine for the H1N1 Swine Flu, which turned out not to be nearly as bad as feared. H1N1 was the strain that killed 50 to 100 million people worldwide in the so-called Spanish Flu Pandemic from 1918-22, back when people traveled a lot least readily than they do now in peacetime.

The reason that the Spanish Flu got that name is because during World War I there was strict press censorship in countries at war so accurate information did not readily come out. Even today there are claims that the Chinese initially hampered the initial containment efforts by having an early information blackout about a possible contagion.

Not until near the end of the 20th century was a reliable death toll for the 1918 Influenza Pandemic known. In the 1920s it was believed to be about 22 million dead. I started citing the latest figures of the 1918 Spanish Flu deaths at from 40-100 million in Online discussion forums around the turn of the 21st century and most people were incredulous. Now 50 million is considered to be the LOWEST figure.

People tend to be incredulous about tens of millions of typhus deaths in the 20th century too. Typhus is very hard to study from the point of epidemiology without actual diagnostic laboratory work because the symptoms are so generic for basically what amounts to a "spotted fever."

The Spanish Flu Pandemic had high mortality because it involved especially virulent pneumonia, similar to SARS back in 2002. Other bad mortality flu pandemic years were the Hong Kong flue in 1968, which was an H3N2 strain, and descended from the more severe H2H2 Asian Flu in 1957. In 1976, there was another H1N1 the Swine Flu outbreak, and they really pushed the vaccinations but the media hype turned out to be a bust, about like in 2009.

It is hard to predict how severe an epidemic will be and what the mortality will be. Some of the diseases with the highest mortality like the 1348 Black Death plague are self-limiting because they kill their hosts too well to spread the disease efficiently. The Black Death killed from 30 to 60 percent of the European population, and worldwide killed between 75 and 200 million.

Back at the time of the Spanish Flu a lot of the medical personal were simply not competent by modern standards and had never had any experience whatsoever with laboratory analysis, which is crucial for accurate diagnostics and eradication measures. IN the early 20th century there were still doctors who had not even graduated from High School, and the way you became a doctor was to get a clergyman or a politician to vouch for your character and your family's ability to pay your way through medical school, where you spent your time watching surgeries in an operating theater or doing endless dissections of cadavers.

Even today it is not really clear how many people have actually had the Coronavirus, which makes the preliminary mortality figures hugely overblown. It seems to be not as deadly as feared, but that might make the morbidity of the contagion more virulent.

For those who doubt the timely measures taken to contain outbreaks, minutes and seconds matter. If outbreak can be contained early, they might never be seen from again. If they fail to contain it somehow, then they will have to let it run its course.

This is a fascinating subject and there is much to learn about it. Below are a couple of articles I readily found which might be informative on this matter :

The coronavirus is less deadly than SARS so far: Here’s why the fatality rate could rise


Why The World Cares More About The New Coronavirus Than The Flu

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