Trump accuser calls rape "sexy"

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Re: Trump accuser calls rape "sexy"

Post by Scott » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:41 pm

I read this lady's article called "Hideous Men" or whatever it was in the women's section of New York Magazine.

Basically this lady has made a career out of fetish-izing rich bad-boys and making hay with the "Bodice Ripper" and "Man-Catching Made Easy" women's media market.



And I don't think the years have been kind. Now she has moved on to kvetching about Trump and concentration camp rapes on the U.S. border because virtue-signalling against whatever he supposedly symbolizes is the opportunism of the day. She is plugging some mystery book with an appropriately Feminist plot yet to be revealed.

Now she claims Trump assaulted her. If she is not playing at some kind of "Toxic Female" role she is either insane or just very stupid.

Basically, what is supposed to happen is that if you call bullshit on the party Line, including calling out this "Toxic Femininity," then you walk right into the minefield of crass projection and YOU are the bigot.

"We have to Believe Women." (Especially when they lie.)

Trump actually handled this well enough by trolling back with some comment like: SHE'S NOT EVEN MY TYPE. (No, she is not ANYBODY's type, and that is a fair point.)

Nobody has any respect for Toxic people, men or women. However, the Left always pretends to have the light of virtue captured in a bottle. I don't really want to put it into harsher terms, but I can't put it into even milder terms and still convey a meaning here.

Secondly, the problem with coming out with this kind of accusation twenty years after the fact--especially if the accuser was NOT even a child at the time--is that it PERVERTS the course of due-process.

The Brett Kavanaugh accusation debacle with his Supreme Court confirmation hearings is a Vaudevillian case in point.

Perverting the course of justice--whether by the Right or Left--does not help victims or the innocent, nor society in any way. That is what the Me-Too movement is really about.

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The Saul Alinskyite agitators know this and that is part of why they do these things the way that they do. This kind of thing is merely a Feminist version of Alinskyite "community organizing."

They see stable Gentile communities as ballast that needs to be dynamited away in order to bring about the new Utopian collective of Globohomo--and the more Orwellian the better. Some just call it cultural-Boshevism.

In any case, this Madison Avenue psy-op is little different than selling cigarettes to "Liberated" women in the 1970s. To manufacture consent, Globohomo does not even have to buy advertising for "Torches of Freedom" anymore.

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Re: Trump accuser calls rape "sexy"

Post by Freya » Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:27 pm

Scott, you are insane. And I highly doubt as cute as she was when she alleges this happened, not that I believe her characterization of 'assault.'

Do you really think you know anything about due process and what women faced 25 years ago if they tried to report a sexual assault? Do you really think 'due process' that presumes a man innocent and allows 10 rapists/assailants to walk free for every one that gets put away applies to all women and situations?

I continue to be dumbfounded by the utter hatred of women that pervades this entire movement, not specific to this site.

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Re: Trump accuser calls rape "sexy"

Post by Freya » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:07 pm

And Scott, do you really think rape is about 'who's better-looking?' Are you not aware that the vast majority of rapists have access to sex and choose to rape anyway? Everyone who studies sex offenders knows that rape is about power, not sex.

The idea that Carroll was somehow less aesthetically attractive (which has no objective standard, anyway) than Trump is bizarre. Are you saying that Trump was somehow really prettier than she?

That type of bizarre thinking is exactly the delusionality that afflicts many sex offenders. Newsflash: there's 50% men for 50% women. The notion that men are somehow more attractive or desirable because they're men just doesn't make mathematical sense.

My god.

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Re: Trump accuser calls rape "sexy"

Post by Scott » Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:36 pm

I don't think that you are getting my point. She is lying about a sex crime and Trump is trolling. I'd say hers is the greater crime.

This wouldn't even be happening if he were not President, so it is opportunistic as well, and otherwise beyond contempt.

As far as the #MeToo thing, Miakim Bialik let the cat out of the bag with a New York Times article that applauded this new "movement" as a way to promote affirmative action in Hollywood.

Bialik, known for TV's Blossom and Big Bang Theory, uses her PhD in neuroscience not to do anything useful with it but instead to do dumb TV sitcoms because she "likes to make people laugh."

Bialik basically tells us that #Metoo awareness is vitally important not because she is good enough looking to rape (her line of argument, not mine) but because it will get more studios to hire women directors and producers not for their merits but because they are not men.

In particular, Bialik mentions the "Genderqueer" director of the TV show Transparent, Jill Soloway, who uses weird pronouns even if she has not changed "their" name to something more Genderqueer.

"Pornography for Women" is the wave of the future, apparently, and why it is so much more important to shill in Hollywood "to topple the Patriarchy" than to practice something like neuroscience.

In any case, with the #MeToo movement, Harvey Weinstein needs to be taken down not because he is a rapey pig but because Hollywood needs more women directors--and this need is determined with mathematical certainty.

If there aren't at least fifty percent of women doing something somehow--regardless of their qualifications--it is ipso facto proof that the Feminists are right and that the unseen Patriarchy is afoot, and if all else fails, there are always nasty men to blame.

The Kavanaugh thing was a huge miscarriage of due-process because the investigations going into it found nothing of note. And yet the whole charade continued. The real reason is that Kavanaugh is a Catholic and might not be as friendly towards abortion as a Jew, though this has not been definitively demonstrated. But the accuser did not face any repercussions for the lie.

Due Process is carefully worked out and is the only way to ensure that justice can be done without resorting to magic and Witch Hunts. It is not a perfect system and there are civil remedies as well even if a criminal case cannot be made. I guess there are always book deals as a last resort.

To reiterate with another example, The Central Park Five Jogger Case (from 1989) had the convicted attackers freed by the efforts of an activist judge--Robert Morgenthau, son of the Morgenthau Plan's Henry Morgenthau, Jr.--and NY Mayor Bill De Blasio helped get the perpetrators financial damages for their troubles having gone to prison for the brutal attack and rape.

This counter-signals those like Howard Stern and Donald Trump who in those days called for bringing back the Death Penalty in New York. And Trump is prime real estate as President right now for counter-signals and calumnies of all sort. Howard Stern initially won the 1994 Libertarian Party nomination for Governor of New York on a Death Penalty platform but dropped out. George Pataki handily won the 1994 Gubernatorial election as a tough-on-crime Republican.

At the recent Democratic debates, the candidates for the 2020 Presidential race universally think that Africans should not be incarcerated, as if it was White Racism that committed their crimes--including rape and murder.

The Central Park Five perpetrators got off the hook eventually because they are People of Color and beat a White woman nearly to death; they were not convicted on DNA evidence which was very new at the time, but when the case was revisited later, the old DNA sample (not many were taken) could only show that one person raped the woman. It did not prove that these others did not participate in the attack either.

Doesn't sound like New York is going to have lower crime for long when it comes to Black perpetrators. Negro Youths have the right to go out "Wilding" at night--but women had better not go out jogging after dark, apparently.

This victim barely survived the 1989 attack; she does not remember the attack, and therefore she could not contribute to the convictions of the feral "Youths," contrary to what is claimed about her in social media. In fact, she did not know the race of her attackers at all since after making a miracle recovery she cannot even remember the event.

Nevertheless, the victim is being blamed for helping to railroad the feral Negroes; like any other representative of their race, they dindu nuffin' but spend some years in prison doin' slave labor for Whitey. And since the victim just came out with a book of her own to tell her part of the story, Netflix has produced a miniseries about the perpetrators getting railroaded by the System. There is an earlier Ken Burns documentary as well, which alleges that the police used third-degree interrogations to get the confessions even though their parents were present for the questioning.

The point is that all of this hand-wringing is hugely political and is so motivated. And if it takes some courage to call it out, I don't mind.

I am not part of any "Movement," and certainly not a "Manosphere" one. I don't think it is sexist to point out that the Jewish Feminism ideology is not about benefitting women.

Also, If women are supposed to have and to be entitled to equal rights without special protections from society, let alone from men, then they need to be able to navigate those rights and responsibilities.

That does require a commitment to the truth from all involved. It is an obligation of citizenship. The fact is that people like Bill Clinton and Harvey Weinstein were endlessly tolerated because they espoused their politically-correct viewpoints. Feminists have long argued that far worse than Bill Clinton should get a pass as long as they remain committed to Abortion, for example.

And about Ms. Carroll's appearance--nobody gives a crap. It is not about rape and it is not even really about Trump.

Carroll is deliberately cultivating a severe #MeToo look as a bit of performance art to promote her coming book. These techniques of propaganda are not hard to understand, and these people make it their profession. Narcissism goes with the trade.

I won't even go into the 2006 Duke Lacrosse rape allegation but basically the media wanted so badly to find White Rape Culture on campus that they didn't bother to let any facts get in the way.

Like I said, this helps no one, and these ideologues should be called out harshly.

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Re: Trump accuser calls rape "sexy"

Post by Freya » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:31 am

Kavanaugh had no right to be presumed innocent since he was participating in a job interview. You're conflating the 'horrors' of being denied a job with being imprisoned for a felony. That's nuts. You have no proof Ford lied while there is ample proof that Kavanaugh did the type of thing she claimed. Numerous Yale grads who knew him reported violent, extreme dishonest tendencies in his behavior; one even said he'd exposed himself to her.

Catholics rape at much higher rates than Protestants, on average. To deny that is another insanity.

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Re: Trump accuser calls rape "sexy"

Post by been-there » Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:00 am

Freya wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:31 am
Kavanaugh had no right to be presumed innocent since he was participating in a job interview.
Wow! :o

EVERYONE has the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. That is the law. And its law for a very good reason,

Otherwise you get people making allegations for nefarious motives.

You get a situation where women can lie under oath in a public, televised process and thereby get a 'conviction' in the public mind. Which is precisely the problem now. As YOU Freya have just demonstrated.

Anyone can make up any sexual allegation, and if its thirty years after the event, it often becomes a 'my word against your word' confrontation, in which the accused is usually the one who comes off worse unless the accuser is shown to be a blatant liar. Usually its not so clear cut.
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:31 am
You have no proof Ford lied while there is ample proof that Kavanaugh did the type of thing she claimed. Numerous Yale grads who knew him reported violent, extreme dishonest tendencies in his behavior; one even said he'd exposed himself to her.
Actually you have it back-to-front.
There is evidence Ford lied.
And even though Kavanaugh was and still an unsavoury character, there was no proof that he raped Ford.

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Re: Trump accuser calls rape "sexy"

Post by Freya » Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:47 am

First off, Ford never said he raped her. Second, job interviews don't hinge on issues of due process or guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I am 100% right on this; I've lost out on jobs after an interview but never been put in jail for it. Or been sued, either.

When the little boys on here can recognize basic distinctions such as these I'm all for debating, but at this point I feel like I'm talking to children.

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Re: Trump accuser calls rape "sexy"

Post by Freya » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:12 am

So I'm watching the video. been-there, do you really think there's anyone out there who doesn't lie in some dimension? Because someone told some obfuscating falsehood in one situation doesn't necessarily make it the same degree as an aggressive lie, and further, it wouldn't necessarily discredit everything the person said in another situation.

The system, little boys, has been LYING ITS FUCKING HEAD OFF to girls and women for millennia, and here in the US, as long as I've been alive. Cops wouldn't even apply statutory rape laws in the mid-1990's, among other extreme LIES and OBFUSCATIONS. STATUTORY BY AGE AND FORCE.

Idiots is what I'm dealing with. And the worst is, no one is even contemplating how utterly ignorant they are.

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Re: Trump accuser calls rape "sexy"

Post by Freya » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:14 am

I can't say anymore on here, but let's just say lots of people know people.

I know people who know Kavanaugh. He did it or something close to it to someone (I don't know if to Ford herself, it's possible she was a proxy for what was real for another woman).

Deborah Ramirez at Yale had corroborators. How come Christopher Wray at the FBI refused to even look at their affidavits, which the Yale people kept sending to him to help the investigation? Why was Jamie Roche never consulted in all those background checks Kavanaugh passed when he roomed with Kavanaugh at Yale and told America outright that he would have had much more negative input, even concerns that K had been sexually abusive?

LIES

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Re: Trump accuser calls rape "sexy"

Post by Freya » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:20 am

And you should be ashamed to link to Tucker Carlson in this debate since he literally mocked the idea of 12 year old girls being raped on tape, irrefutably.

LIES AND IDIOTS

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