Aspects of Hitler's personal life

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Hans Severus Giesler was a member of the Nazi party from 1925. He was a publicist for the party and knew Hitler well in the 1920’s and into the middle 1930’s. He wrote a book in 1977 which has never been translated into English: Adolf Hitler: aus dem Erleben Dargestellt (Hitler: From My Experiences). Ziegler spent a lot of time with Hitler in 1932, at the time Eva Braun had first become Hitler’s lover. Here is an excerpt concerning the beginning of the realationship between the future Herr and Frau Hitler.
(Early 1932) Hitler and I were driven to his apartment on the Prinzregentenstrasse in Munich. It was right around the corner from the Prinzregententheater. Hitler showed me around the place, which had been built, he said, in 1908. He talked about his favorite theme, architecture, and the two hours in his company flew by. Before we left, he showed me a portait of his niece, Geli Raubal, who had committed suicide a few months previously. He told me he felt complete desperation when he learned she had taken her own life. They shared a deep bond and I had met her. She always showed a deep affection for Hitler when I had seen them together.

An hour later we were sitting in our seats at the theater. Then appeared a very beautiful and very young girl. It was Eva Braun. Hitler has also invited her to the performance that night.
I had already been introduced to Eva at the shop of Heinrich Hoffmann. I had realized from the first moment I saw her that she was very pretty and very charming in her girlish way. I was very taken with her and noticed that she didn’t need make up to enhance her prettiness…

After the performance of Parsifal was concluded, Hitler summoned his driver, Schreck, who had been waiting outside in the foyer. Schreck drove Hitler, myself and Eva Braun to the Cafe Heck. We all three sat down. I noticed that Hitler held Eva’s hand in his right hand. It was so touchingly gentle and so beautiful how he touched her. It moved me inwardly to see this. After the meal, we sat around, the three of us, and talked for about 45 minutes. Hitler continued to gently hold Eva’s hand in his own.
Then Hitler leaned towards me and asked if I would stay at the cafe and wait for him. He wanted to make sure Miss Braun got home safely. He told me he had to order her a taxi. Hitler always behaved very correctly in such matters with women. He understood without being told that it would be “improper” to have Eva driven home in his big Mercedes, which waited outside. After 15 minutes of saying goodbye to Eva, he returned to our table and ordered a glass of tea. (pages 66-67).

Translated by Putschgirl

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Gretl Braun on Hitler

Interview with Gretl Braun on January 6th 1974, Steingaden, West Germany by John Toland with a translator, Eugen Stammel. Gretl Braun (1915-1987), was the younger sister of Eva Braun. Info she gave relating details of her childhood and her life after World War II is not included below.



Eva and Gretl Braun

JT: Can you remember when you first met Adolf Hitler?

GB: I was very young, it must have been 1931.

JT: What were the circumstances of this meeting?

GB: I first saw him getting into his car on the Weinstraße, purely by chance. I noticed him, I knew who he was because he was very up-and-coming. People in Munich talked a lot about him. But I couldn’t have told you his politics, he could have been a Communist for all I knew.

JT: Was Eva Braun with you at this encounter?

GB: No she wasn’t, and it wasn’t an ‘encounter.’ I just saw him without speaking to him.

JT: Did you know at this time of his relationship with your sister?

GB: I don’t think it was a relationship at that point, not yet at least. I knew Eva was acquainted with him, I knew they went out together sometimes, but it was nothing serious at that time. I knew he was a client of Hoffmann, where Eva worked, that’s really all I knew.

JT: When did you first meet Adolf Hitler? Or when did you first speak to him?

GB: This I recall very definitely. It was in the alcove of the Osteria Italiana, but then it was called the Osteria Bavaria, it’s an Italian place for locals. It was Hoffmann that introduced us, Eva was not there.

JT: What were you doing in there by yourself?

GB: I was fetching some wine and rolls for some friends. I had been in there before, it was a quiet, nice Italian place. It was Hitler’s favorite place to go in Munich for many years.

JT: What impression did Hitler make on you?

GB: He was friendly and polite. He knew I was Eva’s sister, Hoffmann mentioned it. Hitler looked at me and said, 'I see the resemblance.’ That really was all. He smiled, bowed a little bit. He did not kiss my hand.

JT: Did he ask you to join him?

GB: Heavens no, he wouldn’t have done that, I was a silly girl, only 16 years old. He was proper and polite, he didn’t make this overwhelming impression on me. The men he was sitting with were all a little rough looking, it was intimidating.

Hitler at a restaurant in 1931

JT: During this time, what did your sister talk to you about concerning Hitler?

GB: You have to recall this was very early days. Hitler’s niece (Geli Raubal) was still living and he was very busy, travelling, away a lot. He lived in Munich but this was a tumultuous period, he was not around all the time.

JT: Eva never discussed him with you?

GB: Well yes, she did, but there was not a love affair between them yet. That developed very slowly, Hitler was very circumspect and private. He used to tell me in later years, “I am a private man in Munich, I want to be able to live as normally as I can.” He always regarded Munich as his home, even more so than the Berghof.

JT: What was the catalyst that propelled your sister into a relationship with him?

GB: The death of his niece. There was certainly never a romance between them until the niece shot and killed herself. That was an enormous scandal, all of Munich were talking about it. Even my father mentioned it, my friends at school, things like that.

JT: Was your sister already in love with Hitler when Geli died?

GB: That is hard to say, Eva was never effusive about her feelings. She was very much different than me in that respect. I could never could have kept my mouth closed about a romantic affair, but she could and she did. It was a big determining factor in Hitler settling down with her. She could keep his confidence and she wasn’t a blabbermouth. He valued that tremendously.

JT: When did you know she was in love with him?

GB: Again, it’s hard for me to answer that definitively. I started to know she was romantically involved with a man shortly after the niece’s death. I knew because she would be gone from our parents apartment at night. Sometimes she didn’t come home until long after midnight. She got her own private telephone line and would hide under her covers when she spoke to this mysterious man.

JT: And then what happened?

GB: Nothing, Eva was stealthy and quiet. She would blandly lie to our parents, saying she was working late or helping Herr Hoffmann. We shared a bedroom, so I knew of her comings and goings.

JT: So your sister would sneak away to see Hitler and you knew about it?

GB: I finally asked her if she was seeing Hitler. At first she was reluctant to answer, but then told me she was indeed seeing him. She was very attached to him and this happened from their first private meetings. She fell very hard for him from the get go.

Hitler in November, 1931 during his first romantic trip with Eva to Haus Wachenfeld.

JT: And she told you it had become an intimate relationship?

GB: She didn’t have to say that in so many words, I just knew. She started hiding things in our room.

JT: Such as?

GB: Personal garments, contraceptives, letters, things that a romantic young girl does during her first love affair. She was having an affair, even I knew that and I was only 16 or 17 myself.

JT: Did Hitler ever come to your parents house?

GB: [laughing] No! He did drop off Eva after their evenings together, or at least he did so usually. My parents suspected absolutely nothing. My sister was, as I said, very careful, very prudent, and very silent about her time with Hitler.

JT: Did she stay away all evening?

GB: At first, no. Shortly after the death of his niece, Eva went away for several days. I knew she was going to be with Hitler, but I didn’t know the details until her return. She developed some photos, she was a very passionate photographer, you know. They were of Hitler on the Berg.

JT: He took her to the Berghof this early on?

GB: It was the house he had up there before it was transformed into the Berghof. I thought he ruined the cozy old place when he added so much to it. But yes, she was up there with him and stayed days at a time. Hoffmann was dependent on Hitler, so whenever Eva was with him, she just didn’t bother to turn up for work then.

JT: Was Eva enthusiastic about Hitler? Did she come into your bedroom and say things like, “I am so in love with him!”

GB: No, she wouldn’t have done that. You have to bear in mind, this was a different time and place. She wasn’t married to him and most people then thought an affair with a much older man would have been scandalous. I knew she loved him, and she made this abundantly plain to me years later. She wasn’t demonstrative like that. She loved him deeply, but wasn’t the type to gush. That wasn’t her.

JT: How often would Eva meet Hitler?

GB: At that time, in the early days, it was only at his invitation. She would have been with him constantly, but he didn’t ask her. They didn’t travel together, then or later, very much. This is all before he gained power, he was away all the time. He was, I think, the first German politician who travelled by air, that was unheard of in those days. Eva also could talk to him on the telephone at the house of her friend, Herta Ostemeyer. Her parents had some money, they had a long-distance telephone line.

JT: How often did he take your sister to the mountains?

GB: That was more or less a constant thing, even early on. Hitler would send one of his cars and have one of his men drive her up to the Berg. My parents weren’t suspicious, they hadn’t the slightest inkling their middle daughter was having a torrid romance with a much older and very famous man. It amazes me even now how well she pulled all that off so that so few knew anything.

JT: Did Hitler take Eva on dates?

GB: Early on, definitely he did. Before he became Chancellor, he would take her to dinner, to the opera, to a movie, things like that. But they never went alone, there were always people around, Then he would take her back to his apartment where they could be alone.

JT: What other people were around?

GB: Hitler hated new faces around him, he absolutely hated it. He wanted an unvarying routine. The people always around him in Munich were Schaub, Brueckner, Schreck and later on, Erich Kempka, of whom I was very fond. Hitler wanted to sack him later on when rumors spread that he’d married a prostitute. But Maya was not a prostitute.

JT: Tell us about your sister’s first attempt at suicide.

GB: Well, our older sister, Ilse, was the one who found her. I was not in Munich, but attending a funeral of the father of one of my friends. Eva shot herself, or tried to, and missed the mark. She grazed her chest with the bullet, but apparently there was a lot of blood.

JT: Why would a young, pretty girl do this?

GB: Because of Hitler, of course. He had been neglecting her, his calls were getting infrequent. She was very attached to him and very in love and he wasn’t with her. Not at that point yet. Hitler came around and gave her flowers and a card and explained he was very, very busy.

JT: Did anything change after he became Chancellor?

GB: I would say it did change. Eva now didn’t sneak away from the house, she just told our parents that she was working with Hoffman and “on the road.” Now she absented herself from our apartment routinely. She would be gone all night and it just became an accepted thing. My parents were still not suspicious. Both of them took her at her word, that she was assisting Herr Hoffmann with this photography business. I never volunteered anything to them.

JT: Was she actually still working at Heinrich Hoffmann’s shop?

GB: Of course, she was there almost every day. She’d meet Hitler at the shop as well, but the vast majority of their time together was spent in his apartment or on the Berg.

JT: When did you start to get to know Hitler better?

GB: This was very gradual. I wouldn’t say I really knew him well until years later and in some respects, nobody knew him. Hitler was very guarded and very private. But gradually Eva brought me more and more together with him. In 1933, when I was 18, she got me a part time job in Hoffmann’s shop. I was there more often than Eva.

JT: Did she ever take you to Hitler’s apartment?

GB: Oh yes, many times, but only during the day. He was there whenever she was.

JT: Is there any way you can describe him for me? Give me a word portrait of him, this would help so much.

GB: I’m asked this all the time by everyone who ever gets to know to me. What can I say except he was a normal, nice, friendly man. He was very charming, very fatherly and also had a funny sense of humor. He could laugh and enjoy life in the confines of his private circle. I’m sorry if that sounds bad nowadays, but you asked me. He was not the monster shown today on TV or in magazines. Not in the slightest.

JT: When Eva and Hitler were together, were they affectionate or loving towards one another?

GB: It was a different time and place. I know I said that before, but I have to repeat it. Displays of affection between a German couple then were not common and Hitler was older, let’s not forget that. He was 26 years older than me, he was like a father, an older gentleman.

JT: So you never saw them touch one another?

GB: Well yes, naturally. Hitler liked women, he liked to be around pretty girls. He was much more demonstrative towards her than vice versa.

JT: In what way?

GB: He would always hold her hand. He was a great hand holder. I have seen him take his index finger and trace a circle around her face, things like that. As for kissing, embracing, carrying on together? Never.

JT: And Eva would not touch him?

GB: As a general rule, no. But she looked at him adoringly. She was happy, always, to be around him, except maybe during the war, when his repetitive stories annoyed her.

JT: Was Hitler affectionate towards you? Did he use “Du” with you?

GB: No, he would never have done that. He called me “Fräulein Braun” when others were around, usually it was just “Gretl” though. He never flirted with me. He would never have done that, he would have considered that rude and indelicate because I was Eva’s sister. He flirted with everyone else that was attractive. Any woman between the ages of 15-50 he would gladly flirt with.

JT: Tell us about Eva’s second suicide attempt, if you can.

GB: This was in 1935 and she was clearly becoming very unhappy and desperate. He was gone all the time and at that time, she wasn’t allowed to see him in Berlin. If Eva didn’t get to see Hitler as often as usual, she would be thrown always into a deep depression. The second time she took a lot of pills and had to have her stomach pumped out. I remember Hoffmann being very annoyed at this “playacting.”

JT: Did she really want to die or was it a plea for sympathy?

GB: I would say the latter. People who really want to die, do it. They’re dead. People who want to die don’t have failed suicide attempts, they do the deed and it’s over.

JT: Did Hitler change towards your sister after this?

GB: Yes, emphatically so. I think he realized he had come close to losing her. He was also thinking of the potential for scandal, but I really do think he thought to himself, “My God, she’s important to me.” It was after that when he got us an apartment and very quickly thereafter, our own house.

JT: Tell me about the house, please.

GB: You can walk or drive by it, it’s very unchanged, though the wall has been altered. It survived the war just fine. Eva had her own bedroom, I had mine, it was a very happy period for me, at least and for her too. We entertained, threw parties, all the things girls do.

JT: How often was Hitler there?

GB: Not that often, really. In the winter, when it would get dark earlier, he would come around 5:00 in the evening and stay a few hours. I always left when he came, I either went to our parents apartment or visited friends. I would always know if he was still there by whether the cars would be parked outside when I returned. If he still was there, I’d walk back down to town, hail a taxi and drive around to kill time.

JT: More than one car was required for these visits?

GB: He’d come with Kempka, then another car with SS men, or people to safeguard his privacy.

JT: Then the neighbors must have known who your sister was.

GB: They figured it out soon enough. Sometimes we would get anonymous letters or notes, asking for money or assistance. Eva would throw them away. She never showed them to Hitler, I am positive about that.

JT: Did Hitler spend the night?

GB: Never. Not once, I am sure of it. It would have been too risky to spend all night in a Munich house with his conspicuous cars waiting outside. His visits were pre-planned and arranged. He would stay a few hours and leave. He left once around 11:00 at night, most of the times he didn’t stay that late at all.

JT: You never stayed to chat to him?

GB: I think twice I did, but then immediately left. It was a little awkward for him, I think. You could always tell when Hitler was embarrassed or upset, he would not listen anymore and have a far-away look in his eyes.

JT: What about your life at the Berghof?

GB: It was 1935 or 1936 when it was renovated, it was after Eva’s second try at suicide. After this, I had my own room at my disposal there until the end of the war. Of course I never stayed there unless Eva was there.

JT: Did she spend all her time there then?

GB: Not at all, she only started doing that during the war. Prior to that, she really only was there when Hitler was in residence.

JT: Some of the other people in the entourage have told me Hitler was very boring at the Berghof.

GB: Who would have ever said that?

JT: Some of the intimates up there.

GB: Well, I disagree. He could get tedious with his monologues, but that was really only very late. Maybe 1942 or 1943. He didn’t bore me, I enjoyed being in his company and the locale up there is, as you have to know, quite impressive. More than just impressive.

JT: Can I ask you about Eva’s intimate life with Hitler?

GB: There’s nothing to say, it was a completely normal, average relationship. Hitler was not a pervert or a monster. Anyone who saw them together would tell you the same thing: they were a normal couple.

JT: Did Eva confirm this to you?

GB: She didn’t have to, no one who knew them would ever think anything else. They weren’t legally married, but they lived together when they could as husband and wife. When the subject was broached, Eva would tell me, “you know I can’t talk about him in that way.” I didn’t push her for details on her private life. I knew from her remarks and observations that it was an intimate relationship. She missed him very much when he was gone.

JT: So based on your observations, it is merely rumour or innuendo that Hitler was impaired sexually or abnormal?

GB: I don’t even know where all these stories come from. Honestly I have no idea. I can tell you this: I was Eva’s sister and I also spent a tremendously lot of time with Hitler. I saw them together in many different places over many different years. She loved him, he loved her, they were normal and happy when they were together. These stories of perversions had to be invented by people who hated him or never knew him in any way.

JT: Some of the other intimates suggest Hitler never loved Eva.

GB: I say he did. He told my sister that he loved her, he was not shy in expressing his feelings. He could appear awkward, but with Eva he was comfortable and expressive. He may not have been in love with her until the mid-30’s, she might have just been convenient for him before that time. But based on what I saw and heard, he loved her by the time of the middle 1930’s.

JT: Do you think he was capable of love?

GB: Yes. Why do I say that? I know because he loved his mother. I know he loved his niece, he would admit to that often enough. He loved his dogs. I know he loved Eva, or at least loved all these people to the extent he was capable.

JT: How did the war change their relationship?

GB: Markedly. It changed everyone. For one thing, Hitler would be away for longer periods, but then on the other hand, he would stay months on the Berg. Before the war, he would stay maybe 2 weeks up there. After the war, it wasn’t uncommon for him to spend 3 months there. I think their relationship deepened, became very conjugal. He was dependent on her. He trusted her, he relied upon her. The passion may have faded somewhat, but his feelings for Eva definitely intensified.

JT: How often did you see him after 1939?

GB: As much or more than ever. None of us ever went to his various headquarters, that was verboten. Eva begged to see him, he refused. He told her that because his soldiers were so deprived, he had to be deprived some of the time too.


JT: Based on what you know, were they still physically intimate?

GB: Yes, but he was very immersed in the war. Also I always thought the war prematurely aged Hitler. It was very noticeable in his face, hands, gait, everything. I don’t think 50 is very old for a man and that was how old he was when the Polish thing got started. He was telling Eva he was “too old” for her and he was failing. One could see it by 1942, maybe even before.

JT: Hitler’s architect, Albert Speer says Eva tearfully told him that Hitler offered to give her up because he was too old for her. This was during this time period.

GB: Yes, I have read that. She told me essentially the same thing. This was fairly late in their life though, maybe after Stalingrad, 1942? 1943? He said he couldn’t fulfill her anymore. Eva was very distraught, but I think it was his way of gaining reassurance. By then, the only two living things he could trust were my sister and Blondi, his dog.

JT: What was your relationship like with Eva?

GB: We were always close. We had our rows, like any siblings. Eva disapproved of some of my then-boyfriends, she could get moody. But we loved each other. There is not a day that passes where I still don’t think of her and with great fondness. I miss her laugh, I miss her smile, I miss her.

JT: How did Hitler treat your parents?

GB: He tried to avoid them as much as possible. He was always behaving very embarrassed in front of them. They were on the Berg a lot, but usually when Hitler wasn’t in residence. He just didn’t want to be around them.

JT: Did you know that Eva was going to Berlin to die with Hitler at the end?

GB: No, that would be hindsight. Bear in mind that in 1944 or 1945, we didn’t necessarily know we would lose the war. Hitler had performed miracles before. Many believed we would throw out the Russians from Berlin, mount an offensive and seize the day. Maybe that was delusional, I don’t know.

JT: How did you hear of your sister’s death?

GB: Can you believe I only learned about it on the radio? It was in the beginning of May, it wasn’t generally known they got married. I was happy for her when I learned Hitler had finally relented and married her. I know that would have made her happy, despite the tragic circumstances surrounding her then. I was preparing for her death, but I didn't assume when she went to be with him that she would perish there.

JT: Do you think Hitler would have married her under any other circumstances?

GB: As a matter of fact, I do. Beginning around 1940, he openly told Eva that when the war was won, they would build a beautiful house in Linz, overlooking the Pöstlingberg in Linz. I think he even had blueprints for the proposed house. He said they would be married. He even mentioned this to me, saying he hoped I would visit them and bring Basko, my dog.

JT: Is there anything else you would like to add before we conclude this?

GB: I don’t think so. I am hoping that my sister will not be misrepresented any longer. So many untruths have been circulated all these years. She was just a very nice and very lovely girl, I would say this even had we not been related. She loved Hitler, that was not a crime, she had no way of knowing how things would turn out.

JT: Any last word on Hitler?

GB: Yes, even more lies have been published about him. About his crimes, I can’t address that. But I can say as a man, as a human being, I defy anybody who knew him to say that he behaved poorly or like a gangster or sadist. He was always polite, kind and enjoyable to be around him.

JT: Thank you.
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Eva’s father Fritz Braun talks to a journalist
From The San Francisco Examiner, October 17th 1948.

Ilse, Friedrich (Fritz), Franziska (Fanny), Gretl and Eva Braun

“Life is hard” complained Hitler’s father-in-law, Fritz Braun, on Saturday as he returned to his Bavarian village home after a long day spending several hours fending off the press asking questions regarding his daughter’s life with Adolf Hitler. His least inclination was to consent to an interview with yet another correspondent. But Herr Braun was purchased a nice dinner in his favorite Munich Beer Hall, one of the few that wasn’t bombed. After a hearty meal of sauerbraten and Pilsner beer, he opened up to our correspondent.

When asked when his daughter met Hitler, Herr Braun waxed eloquent.
“It was in 1929, at Hoffmann’s shop in Schwabing. My wife and I heard about it from Eva’s own lips at dinner that night. She asked me what I thought about Hitler. I told her he was a fanatic and a good-for-nothing. She said he had ‘big blue eyes’. That was the start of the whole thing.”

Herr Braun said that her relationship with the Führer progressed slowly and that he and Frau Braun suspected nothing for several years.
“Eva would spend some evenings at the theater or at Herr Hoffmann’s apartment. That was natural, she was his employee. We didn’t know until later that she was actually spending her nights with Hitler. But she never stayed away the whole night in those early days.”

Our correspondent asked what year it was when his daughter began absenting herself more frequently. Herr Braun scowled. “It was before Hitler became Chancellor, perhaps a year before he was appointed. As her father, naturally I was very concerned when I would not see her all night. But she would just say, 'Vati, I was travelling with Herr Hoffmann, I was on a train the past two days.’
Eva had never had a boyfriend, I trusted her. It never occurred to me she was spending her nights with Hitler. I would have been flabbergasted had I known she was his mistress.”

For over two years, the Braun family saw less and less of Eva. She would absent herself for a week or more visiting the Obersalzberg, where Hitler had built himself a mountain lair. When asked by her father what she was doing there, Eva blandly lied: “I am taking many photographs of the surroundings for Herr Hoffmann.”

The Braun parents finally met their daughter’s lover in 1935, at a restaurant called the Lambacher Hof. When Eva introduced Hitler to her parents, it was awkward.
“Bear in mind we still didn’t know Eva’s position in the private life of the Führer. We knew she was acquainted with him, but that was all. We did not suspect her actual position in his private life.”

When Herr Braun watched her daughter with Hitler, he immediately knew the pair were much more than friends.
“Hitler was very embarrassed we were there. He kept offering my wife more sugar for her tea. He piled her plate with sugar. He wouldn’t look me in the eye. I was astounded at how many cakes he devoured. It was all very strained.
When the Führer used the familiar 'Du’ with Eva and when I saw their interactions in the restaurant, it was apparent she had been deceiving us.
When Eva finally came home that night, I said, 'what has been going on? This is a disgrace to the family. You and Hitler are obviously a couple’.”

Eva didn’t deny this to her father. Instead she said, “If you don’t like it, I will pack my things and leave.”

Shortly thereafter Hitler secured Eva an apartment and insisted the youngest Braun daughter, Gretl, live with her. Hitler visited only rarely and later purchased Eva a small abode in the Bogenhausen section of Munich.


Herr Braun was asked if he thought Hitler really loved Eva or if he had merely grown accustomed to her.
“I know my daughter loved him without reservation. My wife tried to get her to be interested in other men, but she always failed. Her life was not always easy, he was busy and away. She spent a lot of time waiting. But when they were together, he treated her very well.
Eva told Gretl that she wished he had been an ordinary man and they could have married and had children. That was not to be.”

Herr Braun continued, “My daughter Gretl told us many things that Eva kept from us. She spent a great deal of time with Eva and Hitler. She was a happy girl until she married that horrible Fegelein.”

Frau Gretl Fegelein and Herr Hermann Fegelein


Herr Braun related that when the Führer was away, he telephoned Eva every evening. He sent his car for her or a special train so they could be together when circumstances permitted. “He spoiled her terribly as time went on. She took advantage of this, but I can’t say I blame her. She grew more distant to us as the war preceded.”

When asked if he thinks there is any chance his daughter escaped the Bunker, Herr Braun said there was “no possibility” of that.
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Second interview with Gretl Braun, Eva's younger sister. Part 2

January 7th 1974 — Steingaden, West Germany.

“JT” refers to John Toland, and “GB” refers to Gretl Braun Berlinghoff.

Three sisters: Ilse, Gretl, Eva

JT: I would like to ask you more about the home Hitler bought for you and Eva in Munich.
GB: We had an apartment first, that was his first step, that came prior to the house that we later had until the end of the war.

JT: When was this occurring, what year?
GB: Shortly after Eva’s second attempt at suicide, Hitler moved quickly, as we discussed already. I can’t tell you how difficult it was for her living at the apartment of our parents. I wasn’t happy there, but Eva was miserable, I can tell you that. It was just a terribly stressful situation and dreary. A few months after her suicide attempt, Hitler moved us both to the apartment, it was in the summer.

JT: How long did you stay in the apartment? This was therefore 1935?
GB: Yes it was then. The apartment was on Widenmayerstraße, it was not destroyed in the war and is still there in the same condition. They’ve painted the building a different color, that’s all. It was about a 15 minute walk from Hitler’s apartment, we were on the other side of the Isar (river in Munich).

Gretl Braun

JT: Did he visit Eva there?
GB: Hardly at all, but we weren’t in that apartment very long. The logistics of where it was located didn’t please Hitler for some reason. He thought because the apartment was on a corner, it attracted more attention, or something like that. He was always intensely worried about security and people watching or being nosy, intruding on his private life. It was not a romantic place for them, he was not there often.

JT: Did this disappoint Eva?
GB: As I said, we were there maybe five months, it was a brief time. When Hitler was in Munich, their place to meet was always his apartment. Before that, it was at Hoffmann’s place. They had their routine there, Hitler had his security there, it was a place he was used to. He never got used to the apartment he got us on the Widenmayerstraße . For instance, he would never have spent the night at the Widenmayerstraße apartment. He visited it before we moved the furniture in, he visited maybe 4 times afterwards and he never spent the entire night.

JT: And what about your parents during this period?
GB: They never came, I can assure you neither one of them ever set foot in that place. My father would never have come to visit, he detested Eva’s choice in a man and the fact Hitler had set her up in an apartment. To him it was deeply humiliating that she was living with a man at his own whim at an apartment he was paying for.

JT: Whose idea was it that you be Eva’s roommate?
GB: Hitler and Eva jointly came to that decision, I think. Hitler wanted me there for security reasons and to keep Eva company, she wanted me there because we were both still very young. I was 20 years old, to live on my own would have been daunting. I wouldn’t have done it and neither would she.

JT: And then Hitler bought for you the home on the Wasserburgerstrasse?
GB: Yes, as we discussed. Hoffmann paid all bills on that house. He’d made a fortune from Hitler, so it was only proper he used his funds to make this purchase. Eva and I were never involved in the financial aspects of where Hitler put her up. But Hoffmann paid for it and paid for the furnishings.

Eva Braun's 'boyfriend' and future husband.

JT: Can I return to the relationship of your sister and Hitler? You’ve said they loved each other, but let’s talk about the other side of the coin. Did they argue? This is something that interests me.
GB: Definitely they argued, especially in the period we’ve just been talking about, the middle 1930’s. They were like any other couple. I wouldn’t trust a man and woman who never had their fights. They had their disagreements, it wasn’t all sunshine and roses, but it isn’t that way for any married couple.

JT: Did you ever see them argue?
GB: No, but I knew when they had been fighting because Eva always reacted the same way. She would lock herself in her bedroom and cry and cry, sometimes for a long time. She did not want me to interrupt her or try to lift her spirits. She told me she had to go through these periods by herself.

JT: This happened in Munich, or at the Berghof?
GB: It happened in both places. I’m quite sure it happened in Berlin too when Eva stayed there later on. I wouldn’t know about that because I was scarcely ever there myself. I don’t want to suggest she was crying all the time, but then they had their arguments, she was very downcast until she had cried it through. It happened on occasion. I have also seen Hitler upset when they had been having words. He was not immune from being bothered or upset by their relationship. He was an emotional man, he had tremendous highs and he could get low as well, I’ve seen it.

JT: And Hitler never bothered to make amends or apologise to your sister after their rows?
GB: I don’t know the details of that, she was careful, she was always careful about what she divulged to me or to anyone about Hitler. When we were in the Munich house, sometimes he would call the house line after one of their fights. They would talk and then Eva would emerge from her room and behave normally. Sometimes she would go back to his apartment to “make up.” At the Berghof, these arguments didn’t last as long, he would smooth her feathers and they’d be good together again. I doubt anybody else noticed this but me. It wasn’t obvious.

JT: How often did Hitler and Eva have arguments?
GB: It’s hard for me to say now. It seems it wasn’t that often and mostly in the earlier years. I don’t think they quarreled during the war, he was so completely absorbed in his duties that disagreements just didn’t crop up anymore, they were much settled down together by then. Eva also cried when he would leave her for long periods. She was inconsolable without him, that was a never-changing refrain.

Eva Braun

JT: But in the colour home movies I’ve seen, she’s partying, gay, happy and carefree, she’s always swimming or with friends?
GB: She would much rather have been at Hitler’s side. All those excursions were to fill up her time while waiting for him to return. She lived life with Hitler, when he was away, she just filled up her time without Hitler. That was the sum total of it, really.

JT: Was Hitler capable of apologising to her?
GB: He was Austrian, so he knew how to play that role. In fact, it wasn’t playacting, it was just part of who he was. He hated to see women cry or women upset. At the Berghof, it was almost like a family atmosphere there. We all ate meals together, watched films together before the war, listened to records, all those things. The same faces were always around on the mountain. If Hitler and Eva had an argument there, it would have been obvious to me, because I knew Eva. If she was crying upstairs, it wouldn’t be long before Hitler would quietly excuse himself and then make things right. What he said to her, I don’t know. Whether he said the words “I’m sorry,” I don’t know. But he was a charmer, he knew how to stop a woman from crying.


JT: Did Eva ever call Hitler by his first name?
GB: When they were alone, but she always called him der Führer to us. It was ridiculous, but she never changed that. She would also refer to him as “the boss” (der Chef), but she never called him “Adolf” or “Adi” to anyone after the very early days. It was always der Führer.

JT: Hitler had many nicknames for her, as I’ve been told by the others in the old Hitler entourage.
GB: Yes, he hardly ever called her “Eva.” He had many Austrian diminutives for her. He called her “Evi” quite often as well as Schatzerl, Evchen, as well as other Austrian expressions. But in front of other people it was almost always “Fräulein Braun.” Just as she called him “der Führer,” he called her “Fräulein Braun.”

JT: You mentioned that your sister and Hitler would meet in the early days at Hoffman’s house. Tell me about that place. Was it a house or an apartment?
GB: It was a house, it was on the Schnorrstrasse. After Hitler took power, Hoffmann moved to a grander place on the Ebersbergerstrasse. I never saw the first house, I was never there. It was at the Schnorrstrasse that Eva and he first really got to know each other. Some of this was before Geli Raubal’s death, much of it was after that event.

JT: Did she talk about that to you?
GB: This was all very early on, there was no romance between them then, Hitler was living with Geli Raubal and made a very big display over her, that she was his great love and so forth. Hitler was flirting and courting Eva I would say, but he was not serious about her yet. That took awhile to develop.

JT: You said you thought it was a case of love at first sight for Hitler, but I can’t see this. He was with Geli this entire time, he ignored Eva, you said they argued, it doesn’t seem like love at first sight.
GB: I think you’re expecting too much from a man like Hitler. There’s different intensities with love and differences between people. He was very close-mouthed, he was the most private individual I have ever seen, very secretive. What he felt deep inside he wasn’t going to show to outsiders. I am convinced that he loved Eva and there is absolutely no question of her complete adoration of him. He was away all the time because his position demanded it. She couldn’t travel with him because their relationship was supposed to be secret.

JT: Did she ever travel with him?
GB: She did this seldom and then it was all extremely hush hush. That’s why Hitler didn’t want this, because the logistics of sneaking her into a hotel room to see him was like something out of a Buster Keaton movie. I never understood this and neither did Eva. She always said, “you’re the Führer, you can do whatever you want to do.”


GB: She went to the Nurnberg party rallies starting in 1935. She was there twice and stayed at the Hotel Deutscher Hof, the hotel Hitler had always stayed at while there. It was endless subterfuge in order to see him and then only for a few hours, then she had to sneak back to the banishment of her own room.

JT: Why did she put up with this?
GB: Why? Because she loved him. She would have done that had she been able to spend 10 minutes with him. She endured a lot on his behalf, there’s a great deal on that subject to be said. She also stayed with him at the Hotel Imperial in Vienna, the Hotel Dreesen in Bad Godesberg and a few other places. I was never with her in these places, though my mother was there in Vienna.

JT: Did Hitler invite her to Bayreuth, to the Wagner festival?
GB: No, that was his time with the Wagner family. She asked once to attend but he forbade it and that was that, she never asked again. In the years before the war, whenever Hitler would be holed up in Bayreuth, Eva, myself and our mother often went to Italy for a week.

Gretl and Adolf exchange a knowing look. Wilhelm Brückner in the background.

JT: Let me ask you about your own relationship with Hitler. How did he strike you?
GB: How do you mean that?

JT: I mean, what was he like as a man. I know you’ve said, ‘he was Austrian,’ but what negative things about him?
GB: I didn’t experience the negative side of Hitler. My sister did, that’s a big distinction. She was the one who was involved with him, who was close to him. I never had disagreements with him, I never saw him in an unpleasant frame of mind. Late in his life, that’s another matter, he was not the same man in 1944 and he was, say, in 1934.

JT: You never experienced anything negative with Hitler?
GB: I don’t know what I’m supposed to say to that. Was he rude to me? Never. He was always polite and well-mannered. He had a very definite charm which enthralled most people who got to know him. The negatives about Hitler were that he was away a lot and couldn’t behave towards Eva as he should. The negatives were his political philosophies, but neither Eva or I knew anything that was going on. Hitler didn’t discuss politics or military with Eva. Not once.

JT: How can you be sure of this?
GB: Because she told me. She was always complaining later on, “I know nothing that’s going on.” They talked about other things: dogs, movies, music, Munich gossip, who was going with who, who was cheating on their spouses, who was drinking too much or trying to quit. All sorts of local things like that. Hitler had a very strong adolescent side to him, emotionally he was like a boy in certain things, liking film stars and gossip.


JT: What about his supposedly interminable monologues?
GB: That became an issue only late in Hitler’s life. He became repetitive after the war started going badly in Russia. He wasn’t like this earlier on, he could be very funny in our small group, very relaxed, teasing and it was just a relaxed atmosphere. He tried to make people feel at ease, he made that effort.

JT: Did ever complain about Hitler? Was she critical of him behind his back?
GB: She complained when he was absent, she complained that she was deprived of his company. It would have been inconceivable that Eva would ever have criticized him to me. To his face? Yes, she would, but to me or anybody in our family? Never. And woe to anybody who dared criticize him to her.

JT: How would Eva criticize Hitler to his face?
GB: Mostly about his clothes, the cut and the fit of his clothes. This was an ongoing issue between them. Whatever anybody wants to say about my sister, she was always beautifully dressed with a great flair for fashion. Hitler was not this way. He had stubborn ideas about clothes and didn’t care how he looked and this drove her up the wall.

JT: What do you mean when you say his clothes were an ongoing issue with them?
GB: Eva wanted him to look his absolute best and he just didn’t care. He’d wear whatever what was put in front of him. He didn’t match his ties or his shoes with his clothes, it was as if he deliberately dressed in such a way as to get Eva to get upset. It was his form of teasing or perhaps of controlling her, manipulating her emotions.

JT: How often did he tease her?
GB: More or less constantly. He would tell her, “Oh Evi, you’re getting so fat I can’t dare be seen with you. You really need to reduce.” Eva would flew into a panic until he would laugh and reassure her. Or he would tease her and say, “I’m going away on a secret trip for 6 months, don’t forget me when I’m away.” Such things as that.

JT: Since Eva was so much younger than he, did she ever become attracted to another man? A younger suitor?
GB: No, I never saw such a thing. Eva loved Hitler and he was the only man in her life. She flirted and danced with other men but never would she have done more than that.

JT: Did Hitler and Eva maintain a correspondence?
GB: An active one. Eva liked to write cards and letters, she spent a great deal of time on this. She had lovely writing, lovely sets of stationary and she spent hours a day on her correspondence, at least later on. They never entrusted their letters to the mail. There was always a courier, someone to hand deliver their letters.

JT: Who would that courier have been?
GB: Various people over the years, people that Hitler implicitly trusted. In the early years, it was Hoffmann or even his daughter. The pilot Baur also, as well as Brückner, whom Eva deeply distrusted. I am sure many of their letters went astray deliberately because of that man. Bruckner was one of Hitler’s adjutants, very close to him and he’d been in the party probably since day one. Personally neither of us could stand him.

JT: Did Eva let you read these letters?
GB: Never, and love letters are supposed to be private. She was very secretive about all that. I knew she wrote to him, I would see her writing to him and I would see her reading his notes or letters. She kept all that in a safe at the Berghof and nobody got near that safe except Hitler or Eva. At the end, she begged me to spare these letters and bury them. She specifically wrote to me and told me over the phone not to read any of the letters, she made me promise.

JT: Did you read them?
GB: I didn’t. I saw a few lines from a few, there were hundreds of them, all his letters and her replies written on carbon paper. I just saw that her letters to him were lengthy, his were much shorter. I wouldn’t intrude on their privacy and I had given her my word.

JT: Of course you’ve not seen the letters since?
GB: I wish I had them, can you imagine their value, and I don’t mean merely financially. I am sure they were accidentally destroyed or that Schaub found them and destroyed them. Hitler didn’t want those letters read by anyone but Eva and had made that point clear in the course of the years.
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Hans Severus Giesler was a member of the Nazi party from 1925. He was a publicist for the party and knew Hitler well in the 1920’s and into the middle 1930’s. He wrote a book in 1977 which has never been translated into English: Adolf Hitler: aus dem Erleben Dargestellt (Hitler: From My Experiences). Ziegler spent a lot of time with Hitler in 1932, at the time Eva Braun had first become Hitler’s lover. Here is an excerpt concerning the beginning of the realationship between the future Herr and Frau Hitler.
(Early 1932) Hitler and I were driven to his apartment on the Prinzregentenstrasse in Munich. It was right around the corner from the Prinzregententheater. Hitler showed me around the place, which had been built, he said, in 1908. He talked about his favorite theme, architecture, and the two hours in his company flew by. Before we left, he showed me a portait of his niece, Geli Raubal, who had committed suicide a few months previously. He told me he felt complete desperation when he learned she had taken her own life. They shared a deep bond and I had met her. She always showed a deep affection for Hitler when I had seen them together.

An hour later we were sitting in our seats at the theater. Then appeared a very beautiful and very young girl. It was Eva Braun. Hitler has also invited her to the performance that night.
I had already been introduced to Eva at the shop of Heinrich Hoffmann. I had realized from the first moment I saw her that she was very pretty and very charming in her girlish way. I was very taken with her and noticed that she didn’t need make up to enhance her prettiness…

After the performance of Parsifal was concluded, Hitler summoned his driver, Schreck, who had been waiting outside in the foyer. Schreck drove Hitler, myself and Eva Braun to the Cafe Heck. We all three sat down. I noticed that Hitler held Eva’s hand in his right hand. It was so touchingly gentle and so beautiful how he touched her. It moved me inwardly to see this. After the meal, we sat around, the three of us, and talked for about 45 minutes. Hitler continued to gently hold Eva’s hand in his own.
Then Hitler leaned towards me and asked if I would stay at the cafe and wait for him. He wanted to make sure Miss Braun got home safely. He told me he had to order her a taxi. Hitler always behaved very correctly in such matters with women. He understood without being told that it would be “improper” to have Eva driven home in his big Mercedes, which waited outside. After 15 minutes of saying goodbye to Eva, he returned to our table and ordered a glass of tea. (pages 66-67).

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Interview with Hitler’s first secretary, Johanna Wolf
24th February 1948

She regarded herself as Hitler's private secretary amongst his four secrataries:
1. Johanna Wolf (worked for Hitler from 1929-1945)
2. Christa Schröder (worked for Hitler from 1933-1945)
3. Gerda ‘Dara’ Daranowski/Christian (worked 1937-1942, 1944-1945)
4. Traudl Junge (worked 1942-1945)

Wolf was and remained loyal to Hitler to the end, and she made that clear after the war in correspondence to people from all over the world who wrote to her enquiring about him.

Johanna Wolf in 1943 wearing the NSDAP party badge given to her by Hitler personally.

She is not known to have given any other interviews other than this one below. She even declined a $1,000,000 offer in 1976 to write her memoirs. The following extracts are from the interview Wolf gave in February 1948 to American judge Michael Musmanno. Here — in contradiction to the popular understanding of Hitler as a psychopathic, boring, flatulent, raging, cruel, tempestuous, carpet-chewing madman — she discussed the Hitler she personally knew for fifteen years as being kind, considerate, friendly, even-tempered, charismatic, entertaining and highly attractive to females.

Whatever inaccuracies or subjective false impressions, this eye-witness recollection (along with these other corroborating interviews) stand as further evidence of the quite delusional and deliberately false WW2 history that the vast majority of people on the planet have been brainwashed into from childhood. Instead of ruling via a climate of fear and intimidation as films and documentaries falsely contend, it is clear that Hitler in reality was an extremely pleasant, humorous, polite, humble, forgiving and charming person who treated his subordinates with kindness and who inspired great devotion and loyalty amongst those who knew him personally.

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Q: When did you first come to work for Hitler?
A: I was first with him on November 1st, 1929, but at that time I was working mainly for Rudolf Hess.

Q: Where was this?
A: In Munich.

Q: This was purely political work then?
A: Office work. It was secretarial work but of course I also got to know Hitler as a person at that time. His personality was always more important than the work.

Q: Why did Hitler choose you to be his first private secretary?
A: He had known me for some time, we had been friendly during the time I worked with Hess. Hitler didn’t like new people around him, he was a loner and liked the same people around him. I was comfortable for him so I was the secretary chosen.

Q: When was the first date that you actually did some secretarial work for Hitler, typing a speech or something like that?
A: Well, it would have been late 1929. I didn’t type his speeches, I would type leaflets for him. He wasn’t yet the Führer in 1929, mind you. I would take down his dictation and that was that. I didn’t type letters for him then at all.

Q: Did you get to know Hitler well early on?
A: I would say we got along very well from the beginning. I was born and bred in Munich and Hitler always had a very distinct preference for people from Munich. It was our dialect, our manner, or way of life. Hitler disliked Prussians. He loved Munich and our people. Over the years I would say I knew Hitler very well indeed. Yes, I believe I did know him.

Hitler in the 1920's

Q: What was he like in 1929 as opposed to later on?
A: Hitler was always a very simple and very polite man. His manners were Austrian and impeccable. He was an extremely charming man. I discount that his fame and position were what made people turn around and look at him on the street. In 1929, he wasn’t famous much outside of Bavaria. But I saw myself that he created a frenzy because of his personality and that strange force that emanated from him.

Q: Can you provide some examples from these early days?
A: I can remember going to Trier with him in 1930. Trier was then and now a sleepy place then and we stayed at a Pension in the city. Hitler was there not to make a speech but to get money from a wealthy socialite. Hardly anybody knew him but all the women in the hotel all were enthusiastic about him, wanting to meet him or touch his hand. He had that aura. It was unmistakable. That never left him, incidentally. He was a physically broken down wreck in 1945, but he still had that aura.

Q: It couldn’t have been his looks that caused people to take notice of him.
A: I would not discount that aspect. Hitler looked well for many years. In addition, his intelligence, his personality and his charm were irresistible for men and for women alike. He was like a tidal wave when you were with him.


Q: When Hitler went to Berlin in 1933, did you go with him?
A: Yes, I did. I actually commuted between Munich, Berlin and the Obersalzberg. I followed Hitler so I followed his routine. I kept my flat in Munich and so too did Hitler. He kept his private life in Munich separate from his official life.

Q: And you were with Hitler at the Reich Chancellery in Berlin from 1933?
A: Yes. Fräulein Schröder also came into his employ then, in June or July, 1933. My mother was in poor health and when Hitler gave me leave to tend to my mother, Schröder would take over for that period.

Q: Hitler also had two other secretaries, Frau Junge and Frau Christian. When did they start working for Hitler?
A: Frau Christian came much later, I don’t remember the year. It was probably 1938 or a little earlier. Hitler said he needed a younger secretary so she appeared one day. Frau Junge came far later, in 1942 I think. She was given a test by the Führer and she became his fourth and final secretary.

The last person Hitler employed as a secretary, Traudl Junge.

Traudl Junge, her husband Hans Junge and Johanna Wolf

Q: What was the relationship between all four of the secretaries?
A: Always friendly. We were good company. Of course we all three were different ages and temperament. The younger ones could be jealous.

Q: How do you mean that?
A: Frau Christian, originally Fräulein Daranowski, was very much taken with Hitler and he with her. There was an attraction and this caused some ruffled feathers. It was a mutual attraction that no one could fail to notice.

Q: How do you know there was an “attraction” as you put it?
A: It was apparent to all, we weren’t blind. Dara is her nickname, I think it was Bormann who coined that, but Hitler picked up on it. Dara made every attempt to get close to the Führer. She succeeded to some extent, but not to the limit she wished to reach.

Dara with Hitler and Johanna Wolf.

Q: You mean this woman wanted an intimate relationship with Hitler?
A: Without question she did.

Q: Did this ever happen as far as you know?
A: No, it did not, despite many years of Dara trying. I must say Hitler was a big flirt, he liked to flirt and did so very well indeed. This was the Austrian side to him, which predominated always. He enjoyed the attentions of a pretty young girl, but he never allowed her to get that close to him. I had the impression, and I think everyone else had the same feeling, that he would have liked to have her as his special “friend” but he had put up a wall no one could penetrate.

Q: Not even Eva Braun?
A: Well of course that’s a different person entirely and an entirely different relationship. She was an established presence in Hitler’s life, Dara was just his secretary.

Q: Did Dara tell you she was interested in Hitler romantically?
A: Every woman, to some extent or another, was interested in him. That was the rule, it was a given. Once in a great while some woman or other would visit him and seem to be immune from his charm. But that was the exception. Dara made it clear that she felt Hitler was the ultimate prize, she really and truly adored him very much. Her marriage was of not real importance to her I don’t think. I’m not revealing a confidential matter, she would tell you the same thing if you were to ask her.

Dara and Christa Schröder greeting Hitler on his 50th birthday.

Q: How did Hitler treat you specifically?
A: Very well. He was always the perfect boss. For instance, if I got sick, he would be very paternal, pat my hand, stroke my forearm and say, “Child, you go home now. I will send a doctor over to tend to you.” He would also be very affectionate to my mother, of whom Hitler was also very fond. He would send her chocolates with a little note. The older women always adored Hitler, in some respects more than the young ones.

Q: You said he flirted with Frau Christian (Dara). How did he do that?
A: He would compliment her and do it in the most interesting ways. He noticed her hair and would notice instantly if her hair was in a different style or color. For instance, if Dara came in with a new dress he would say, “you look even more lovely this afternoon than usual!” He called her “my Princess” or “"My beauty.” But that was all. Very late in his life he would say some more racy things to her which I would not like to repeat. I personally believe he was under the influence of drugs when these remarks were made.

A: Would you care to tell me the remarks?
Q: I really do not want to repeat them out of respect for both parties. She would probably be only too happy to reveal what he said to her.
[Note: according to what Schröder and Dara told James O’Donnell in 1974, Hitler had said to Dara in late 1944, “you should appear for lunch dressed only in stockings and hat, otherwise naked.” Schröder said that Dr. Morell had just given him an an injection of testosterone].

Q: What about Fräulein Schröder? I have heard there was tension between her and Hitler?
A: Well, speaking strictly from my own point of view, I cannot recall a single angry word from him to anyone. He did not have rages or fits of temper. Nobody could be in a better position to know this than I am. I was with Hitler more or less constantly for 16 years. I never saw him angry. The only occasion when he showed any annoyance was when somebody interrupted him.

Christa Schröder

Q: But what about the tensions between Hitler and Fräulein Schröder?
A: There were some incidents where Fräulein Schröder's sharp tongue caused Hitler to be more cool toward her. This really only concerned the most intimate, smallest circle around Hitler. She was very outspoken, a quality Hitler didn’t like in women, but since Fräulein Schröder had been with him since 1933, he tended to forgive her outbursts. She said many things which would have caused a man to have been sacked.

Q: Was she also in love with Hitler as was Dara?
A: No, but she was deeply under his spell. Fräulein Schröder was older and not as attractive as Dara or Frau Junge, so he had a different relationship with her and with me. Neither of us were beauties, so Hitler could treat us very well but absent was that flirtatious tenderness which he showed to younger, prettier women.

Christa Schröder and Johanna Wolf

Johanna Wolf

Q: I am interested in the character of Adolf Hitler from a historical point of view. It seems generally understood that he was capable of flying into terrible rages, and you’re saying this didn’t happen?
A: Well, I never experienced such a thing and I was part of his most intimate circle. I never saw him angry, that is the simple truth. In fact, it was my impression that in our small circle, he wanted to relax rather than be bothered with other problems. Hitler in private was very pleasant and relaxing.


Q: It’s only human that in your long experience with Hitler that you would have made some mistake in transcription or handing him the wrong paper. When he noticed a very obvious error from you, what was his attitude in correcting you?
A: He never became impatient on such occasions. Not once. He always treated me with affection and consideration. If I didn’t feel well, he would say, “Alright, my dear, you go home and feel better.” Then he would squeeze my hand, pat my shoulder and send me home. He would make sure Kannenberg would make me some chicken broth soup or sometimes something else soothing. He was always considerate in such matters.

Q: Were you fond of him then?
A: Naturally I was more than merely ‘fond’ of him. I was intensely interested in him as a man and as a leader. He was the perfect boss and very delightful to be around him. Hitler was amazingly well informed, quite an interesting conversationalist, though he monopolised the talks generally. He also was a superb mimic. He imitated Mussolini, opera singers, people like that. He was very funny in his droll way. It was quite something of a privilege to be near him for so long. I won’t lie about this to you.


Q: How often did you have meals with him?
A: Every day. In the last few years, he ate exclusively with the secretaries whereas in the old days he would eat with Goebbels, military men, Hess, Speer or anyone else. Not in the last years.

Q: Why was that?
A: The reason he gave is because he wanted to hear gentle voices of women. He hated by then the sound of male voices, probably because of the situation conferences on the war. He told me, “I can’t relax with men, I need women around me. I do not want to be bothered with military or official problems”.

Hitler's secretaries Dara and Christa Schröder on the verandah at the Berghof, filmed by Eva Braun.

Q: In those lunch periods, what would he talk about?
A: Oh, all sorts of things, painting, movies, music, the arts. He loved having Frau Christian and Frau Junge there because they were both young and pretty and with them the conversation would flow vividly. It was a great deal of fun. Hitler sometimes would whistle and even sing a little from operas. He didn’t have a bad singing voice, a nice baritone. But he sang rarely.

Q: In these later years, did he comment on the war?
A: Very rarely, almost never in fact. He didn’t want to think about it or discuss it with us.

Q: Well, for instance, did he ever say, “the war is lost?”
A: I’ll have to tell you a little story about that. At the beginning of March, 1945, I was beginning to get very depressed. I saw the Russians getting nearer and nearer and I once asked him, “Chef, things look very black for us. What is going to happen?”
Hitler took my hand in his and said, “Don’t you worry, we will win.”
It was my impression he wanted the Americans and British to advance rather than the Russians, whom of course we all loathed and feared.

Q: What did he say after he told you “we will win?"
A: Nothing, he broke off the chat abruptly. He was deeply depressed by then too, but as I said, he would not discuss military matters with women.

Q: Please let me return to the subject of Fräulein Schröder. We have been told by other people that she would openly disagree with Hitler. Are you saying this in untrue?
A: Well, since you insist, I can say I did experience this. There were several occasions when she not only interrupted Hitler but she held a differing opinion from him. At those times, Hitler insisted she take a brief leave of absence. She then wouldn’t turn up for some time. I think Eva Braun also influenced him in this matter.

Johanna Wolf, Joseph Goebbels, Christa Schröder

Q: How did Eva Braun become involved in the matter?
A: Fräulein Schröder treated Eva very well to her face but she did make some slightly disagreeable remarks about her which got back to Hitler in some way. He was not pleased and he made this known. Bormann told me about this in some considerable detail.

Q: What remarks did she make specifically?
A: I’m not sure of the exact words, but she told Heinrich Hoffmann, the photographer of Hitler, that Eva was not good enough for Hitler and she was going to find him a more suitable girlfriend. Hoffmann repeated this to Hitler and she was banished for awhile. I might add, she claimed to have said the same thing to Hitler’s face.

Q: What was his reaction and when did this occur?
A: I was not present at this occasion, it was apparently at the Berghof before the war. Fräulein Schröder said he was bemused, but she was put on leave after that fiasco. So one can infer he was displeased.

Q: Do you know what she said to Hitler?
A: She apparently just told Hitler that she had a better companion for him than Eva, that Eva was not a good fit for him, something like that. He was not angry at her, but instead she was gone for awhile after this faux pas.

Eva Braun and Christa Schröder on the verandah with others at the Berghof

Q: Ridiculing Eva Braun was annoying to Hitler?
A: Yes, anything concerning Eva had the potential to annoy Hitler, if people were too inquisitive, too critical or involved in his business in any way. He kept her tucked away and his decisions or relationship with her was strictly taboo to discuss.

Q: May we discuss Eva Braun and your relationship with her?
A: Of course.


Q: Did you know Eva Braun very well?
A: Yes, I knew her from very early on and knew her until I left the Bunker in April, 1945.

Q: Did she always treat you well?
A: Oh yes, Eva was always very nice. She was a nice and pleasant person to me. Eva was friendly, not pushy and had a nice manner about her.

Q: Can you remember when you first heard about Eva Braun?
A: That would have been in 1932, a year before Hitler became Chancellor. It was Hoffmann who told me about her.

Q: This was the photographer?
A: Yes, and this was some time after Geli had died, Hitler’s beloved niece. I did not know her, but knew of Hitler’s veneration for her. Eva replaced Geli and it was early on that Hoffmann told me the Chef had a new girlfriend and he told me her name.

Q: When did you first meet her?
A: I saw her twice or possibly three times at the Osteria, Hitler’s restaurant in Munich. Hitler in fact introduced me to her and he was somewhat shy about it. His behavior was different, so I knew this girl was something special in his life, or at least he was embarrassed that I was there to see her. I want to stress again how secretive he was about her.


Q: How would you describe how she looked?
A: Eva Braun was always considered very pretty and she was. I would say she photographed well and she looked as she did in her best portraits, neither better or worse. When I first met her she was extremely young, probably only 18 or 19 years old. She grew more self-assured later as she matured.

Q: At the table, how did he behave toward her?
A: She always sat on his left. Always. I never saw it any other way. And woe to anyone in later years who tried to sit on his left, she would re-arrange that so that she had her proper spot. Bormann once had to get Frau Morell up from a chair because she sat on the Führer’s left.

Q: Did she say why she wanted to be on his left?
A: She never did, but we assumed it was because she liked to look at his left profile as opposed to the right. But I don’t know this, this is speculation on my part. Eva Braun never said this, at least I did not hear this.


Q: What was their relationship like?
A: It evolved and deepened over the years. Eva also changed and evolved as well. She was not the same naive young girl that I first met by the time of the war, for instance. She grew in stature and in self assurance. Her role in Hitler’s life was difficult at times, let’s be clear.

Q: Why was that?
A: Because their relationship was officially a secret. It was not easy for a pretty young girl to be hidden from view all the time. Naturally she wanted to meet the famous people who called on him, but she was always banished to her room at such times.

Q: Did she complain to you about this?
A: Not in so many words. She accepted that her position required discretion, tact and a selflessness most woman do not possess. I couldn’t have done it and will be the first to admit it.


Q: Were they affectionate with each other in your small group?
A: Usually not. Especially Eva never or should I say very seldom showed him affection in front of us. She always called him mein Führer or "Chef” (boss). Hitler, however, could be very affectionate with her and showed her great tenderness at times. He was not the ideal lover pictured in her imagination, he was really like a very busy businessman.

Q: Can you be more specific about how Hitler would show her affection?
A: Well, at the Berghof, he would sometimes be especially affectionate to her in an exaggerated way. He might come down the stairs in the afternoon from their private rooms, I’ve seen this. He would then approach Eva with mock gallantry, click his heels, bow a little too deeply from the waist and say, "May I kiss your hand, Fräulein Braun?” It was play-acting. She joined in with the charade.

Q: Kempka told me they would hold hands?
A: Oh yes, oftentimes. But only in the small circle. I’ve also seen him pinch her cheek, put his hands on her forehead and stroke her hair, not often, but I saw those things over the course of the years.

Q: How did the secretaries view Eva?
A: I cannot speak for them. I myself treated her with respect and affection. I regarded her as the Chef’s wife, so to speak. She was his wife in every sense except the legal marriage certificate wasn’t in place yet. Hitler mentioned to me that when the whole nasty business of the war was concluded, he would marry Eva and they would settle in Linz. Now Dara had quite a bit of jealousy because she herself coveted the Führer. Eva and Dara were not the best of friends for this reason.

Fräulein Gerda ‘Dara’ Christian

Q: Was Eva jealous of Dara?
A: I think it was more the other way around, but Eva didn’t like women around the Führer. She suffered a lot of bouts of jealousy.

Q: Did she have cause to be jealous?
A: I really do not think so. After 1933 there were no other women except Eva in Hitler’s intimate life. He loved beautiful women and he made no secret of that fact. But the only one close to him was Eva. He lived with her when circumstances permitted, there was no time or need for another female companion. Our circle knew her position in his life and we respected it because it was how the Führer had chosen to live.

Christa Schröder next to Eva Braun in a group photo.

Q: Did Eva talk to you about Hitler?
A: Yes, she was mostly concerned about his daily life. She wanted to make sure he was eating enough and not just sweets. You know he had a dreadful sweet tooth. He would put twenty lumps of sugar in with his tea and Eva worried about that. She hated his vegetarian diet and made fun of it. She wanted him to take a daily walk of at least forty minutes, she worried about his insomnia. Things like that. In the war, she was very worried about his physical safety.

Q: And did Hitler ever talk to you about Eva Braun?
A: Frequently, and this became more frequent as the years went by. In the early years, he talked about her less. By 1938, she was established in his life as his only mistress and really the only person close to him physically and emotionally. She had earned his respect and his trust. He would sometimes say to me with great warmth how much he trusted Eva. He knew that she not only loved him, but was loyal to the bone. He grew to see that she was special in many ways to him.

Q: What sorts of things would he say about her to you?
A: For instance, he would tell me about her reaction to various gifts he would buy her. Incidentally, I read in a French magazine that Bormann bought all of Eva’s gifts. I know this is not true. Maybe in the war years, but earlier on, Hitler himself would go out to Herr Müller’s shop in Munich. Herr Müller was an old party member from very early days who ran a jewelry shop. Hitler would go there and select things for Eva. Once he showed me some jewelry he had bought her and asked my opinion. I said, “only a beauty such as Fräulein Braun could do justice to that.” He was very pleased with my answer.

Q: In your opinion then, Hitler was devoted to Eva?
A: From everything I saw, yes. And this feeling deepened in him as years passed. Once the war began, Hitler was isolated from everything except really from Eva Braun. When we would go to the Obersalzberg, it was like old times, pre-war.


. . . . . . . . .

This interview is contained in the Michael Musmanno papers in Duquesne University Archives.

The first page of the interview.
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by John J. Ray (M.A.; Ph.D.)

Hitler was a fairly mainstream Leftist of his day. It must be remembered that he gained power by way of a democratic election, not by way of a revolution or a military coup. If any of that seems wrong to you, you need to keep reading.

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Albert Speer wrote:Women were very strongly affected by Hitler. He used to say that he had always had women interested in him, even as an inconsequential young artist in Vienna.
“Hitler was very tactile with pretty women. If a woman was attractive, he would monopolise her. He had the ability that many Austrian men have, of allowing the woman to think that only she existed in that moment. And it was not the ruse of a dishonest shyster, he was completely genuine and the women knew it.

Women were very strongly affected by Hitler. He used to say that he had always had women interested in him, even as an inconsequential young artist in Vienna. Then he would often put his hands in his pockets, turn them inside out to show empty pockets and indicate he had no money to have had love affairs as a young man.

There was the wife of Labour Leader, Robert Ley. Hitler was crazy about her for years. He would say after she would leave, ‘what a gorgeous woman! Oh, she is such a beauty!’


She reciprocated as well, as her own husband was an abusive alcoholic who was not faithful to her. Hitler couldn’t get over that any man would cheat on Inge Ley. He said, ‘what man couldn’t be in paradise living with such a woman? Why look anywhere else?’ And he distanced himself from Robert Ley because he thought he was a fool to cheat on a woman so apparently beautiful.”

Albert Speer interview: Südwestdeutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, 6 Juni 1972
Inge Ley with her husband Robert Ley

Photos of Inge Ley
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After Geli Raubal’s death in 1931, Hitler changed in many ways. For a time, he even reverted back to his frenetic womanising of the early 1920’s. But this created a dilemma for both Hitler and for those of us close to him. Power was within our grasp and no Party leader wanted the Führer to be exposed to scandal. The Geli suicide had been bad enough in that regard.

By 1932, Adolf Hitler was one the most famous men in Germany. It wasn’t 1920 anymore when nobody knew him and his love affairs were of no concern to anyone. By 1932 any physical involvement with a woman not only could lead to scandal, but it could end his career and thus end the National Socialist party.

Hitler knew this, so he now devised a new strategy for his love life: he would have several girlfriends at one time, but none would know about the others. He completely eliminated any casual encounters. Never again would there be scenes like I had witnessed in the early 20’s in Berlin with him. He was still hugely attracted to women, but he was older and more prudent now.

Herman Esser the author of the following reminiscence, with Marlene Weinrich to his left.

Lola Epp

In 1932, Hitler had several love affairs which he conducted in different cities at different times. The most serious of these relationships were three women, all of whom I knew very well: Marlene Weinrich, Lola Epp and finally, Eva Braun.
History proves that Eva emerged triumphant over her countless other rivals. Later on, I will explain how to she achieved this.

Eva (standing) with friends at the beach trying knecklaces from a beach salesman

Hitler’s adjutants had many a headache having to juggle the “girls of 1932,” as Baur (Hitler’s pilot) dubbed it. These three women were given chocolates, flowers, telegrams and trinkets, all arranged by Schaub or Brückner . But none of these gifts made his absences easier to bear.

There was still another relationship with a woman during this time: Hitler’s intense involvement with Magda Quandt [who later married Joesph Goebbels]. Even before Geli’s passing (September 18, 1931), it seemed to most of us that Hitler was having a love affair with Magda Quandt. At the time she was having a clandestine relationship with Joseph Goebbels as well. Only those in the highest circles of the Party knew about their particular love affair.


Whether Hitler didn’t know that Frau Quandt was Goebbels’ lover or whether he didn’t care, he behaved around her like a man who had conquered her. She returned his adoration tenfold and made no secrecy of her feelings for him. Sometimes it verged on the embarrassing. Frequently when meeting him, her complexion would turn from pink to flaming red. Hitler’s face would also blush crimson. It was as if they were both sharing a delicious secret.


Hitler and Frau Quandt both behaved like they were two people in love, almost giggling with their feelings. This went on even in the presence of Joseph Goebbels, who no doubt was deeply embarrassed that his lady friend was ignoring him so openly.
Whenever I saw Frau Quandt and Hitler together during this period, it seemed obvious to me they had become intimate in every sense of the word. There was a palpable electricity between them. I might add, I never saw this occurrence with Hitler and any other women. Never.


Whether their “friendship” continued after she married Goebbels, I don’t know. The evidence for it is lacking, but knowing Hitler as I did, I suspect he visited her whenever the mood struck him, at least early on. What was Goebbels going to do about it? Nothing! He had no choice but to look the other way.


I have one story about Hitler and Magda Goebbels that I can divulge. This was in the Spring of 1933 at Hitler’s mountain home, Haus Wachenfeld. The Goebbels couple, myself, Eva Braun and Jakob Werlin were the only people present that weekend.

I will never forget a glance that passed between Hitler and Magda Goebbels during that stay. It was a gaze that expressed a powerful attraction, remembrance and longing. They were standing on the porch partially turned towards me. Neither knew I was watching them. Frau Goebbels was a petite woman and I saw as she stood on her toes to whisper something to Hitler. He did not move away from her, but clearly moved towards her as she rested her forehead against his cheek.

After she had finished whispering into his ear, Hitler put both his hands on her shoulders. That was when I saw the explosive look they exchanged. I certainly never saw Magda Goebbels look that way towards her husband, whom she seemed to passively dislike. It was fortunate that Eva Braun did not witness this exchange, for her jealousy was that of a tigress watching over her cubs.

Excerpt taken from Adolf Hitler, der Grosse Liebhaber by Hermann Esser,
Revue magazine, November 1 and November 8, 1949. Translation by Putschgirl.


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Joseph and Magda Goebbels with Hitler. (Attendants Max Wünsche and Karl Krause watching in the background).


-- From Peter Longerich's biog of Joe Goebbels

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