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1933 film version of Schubert's "Ständchen", performed by Marta Eggerth. [from 42:00 to 46:36]

https://youtu.be/218B7xBDSac
Leise flehen meine Lieder ('Gently my songs entreat' or more literally 'softly plead my songs') is a 1933 Austrian-German musical film directed by Willi Forst and starring Marta Eggerth, Luise Ullrich and Hans Jaray. Art direction was by Julius von Borsody.
The film is a biopic of the composer Franz Schubert (1797–1828).
It was Forst's directorial debut. A British version was made called Unfinished Symphony. The German title refers to the first line of the Lied "Ständchen" (Serenade) from Schubert's collection Schwanengesang, which Eggerth performs in the film clip above.

Leise flehen meine Lieder
Durch die Nacht zu dir;
In den stillen Hain hernieder,
Liebchen, komm zu mir!

Flüsternd schlanke Wipfel rauschen
In des Mondes Licht;
Des Verräters feindlich Lauschen
Fürchte, Holde, nicht.

Hörst die Nachtigallen schlagen?
Ach! sie flehen dich,
Mit der Töne süßen Klagen
Flehen sie für mich.

Sie verstehn des Busens Sehnen,
Kennen Liebesschmerz,
Rühren mit den Silbertönen
Jedes weiche Herz.

Laß auch dir die Brust bewegen,
Liebchen, höre mich!
Bebend harr' ich dir entgegen!
Komm, beglücke mich!
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Re: Beautiful aspects of 1930's Germany currently ignored

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Ignored? It is freely available on you tube and has nearly 12,000 views. Your claims are not backed by your evidence.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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British girls in the Third Reich: 'we had the time of our lives'

My mother-in-law was sent from England to Munich in April 1938. She watched as the Annexation of Austria took place. She even ran out to Hitler's car.

These girls were there just before the outbreak of war, and in some cases they were even close to the government, hanging out with Hitler and Hess. Sending your daughters to finishing school in Germany was the thing to do.
Germany was probably our closest European partner at that time. And don't forget that George V. changed the name of his family from "Saxe-Coburg and Gotha" to "Windsor" only in 1917, during the First World War. There were still aristocratic connections and friendships to Germany between the wars. Two newspapers dealt with Anglo-German relations and printed articles about how wonderful Germany was, how amazing the scenery and how great Hitler was. The British liked that Germany was very clean.
Some girls moved to Berlin or Dresden, but Bavaria with its mountains, castles, museums and beer cellars was more attractive. Oberammergau was well known in England.
My maternal grandmother was in Bavaria in the 1930s, she was Jewish. She enjoyed the opera in Munich, skiing in the mountains and later fell in love with a ski instructor from Freiburg, a member of the National Socialist party. His family called her "die Jüdin," the Jewess. Their relationship went disastrously wrong and she came back to England.

I met a dozen English women while researching my book who were in Germany between 1935 and 1938, most of them over 90 by the time I interviewed them. They said:
"We had the best time of our lives."
They felt fantastic being in Germany during the Third Reich. "It was the highlight of my life," one told me. To them, it was a rich experience, because England was very stuffy at that time -- lots of unemployment, terrible food and nasty weather.
In Bavaria they had the crisp mountain air, a healthy life, the opera, the mountains and handsome Germans in uniform. They couldn't believe their luck! No chaperons, no parents. They had everything, including sex.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: What did they think about the Germans?

Johnson:
They loved them!
I asked the women: "Were you in love at that time?"
And they said: "All the time, with everybody."
They typically spent six months there, went to parties and were celebrated. Of course, they were not poor. The exchange rate was favourable for them.

My mother-in-law's family was typical of aristocratic attitudes of this period. They were very pro-German. My mother-in-law's father was chairman of the Anglo-German Alliance, which was set up to bring the two countries closer together. He would make speeches in the House of Lords saying Hitler is a sound chap.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a502ydRBaVI
Haben Sie schon mal im Dunkeln geküßt? (Evelyn Künneke 1942)

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Bapp-a-dudel dudel-dadelu de-i.

Haben Sie schon mal im Dunkeln geküsst, ja?
Wissen Sie denn auch wie schön so 'was ist, nein?
Wenn man wirklich einmal alles vergisst, ooh,
das ist ein Blick ins Himmelreich.

Waren Sie schon einmal richtig verliebt, ja?
Wie es sowas sonst im Kino nur gibt, nein?
Oder sind Sie etwa ganz ungeübt, wie?
Darum verrat' ich's Ihnen gleich:

Wir sind grad' allein, kommen Sie nur in meine Näh',
nur nicht ängstlich sein, denn das tut bestimmt nicht weh.

Haben Sie schon mal im Dunkeln geküsst, ja?
Wenn Sie wüssten wie bezaubernd das ist, hmmmm!
So das man 's im Leben niemals vergisst, ja dann sagt man sich:
Ich liebe Dich.

Haben Sie schon mal im Dunkeln geküsst, ja?
Wissen Sie denn nicht wie schön so 'was ist, nein?
Wenn man wirklich einmal alles vergisst, ooh,
das ist ein Blick ins Himmelreich.

Waren Sie schon einmal wirklich verliebt, ja?
Wie es sowas sonst im Kino nur gibt, nein?
Oder sind Sie etwa ganz ungeübt, wie?
Darum verrat' ich's Ihnen gleich:

Wir sind grad' allein, kommen Sie nur in meine Näh',
nur nicht ängstlich sein, denn das tut bestimmt nicht weh.

Haben Sie schon mal im Dunkeln geküsst, ja?
Wenn Sie wüssten wie bezaubernd das ist, ooh!
So das man 's im Leben nie mehr vergisst, ja dann sagt man sich:
Ich liebe Dich.
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I wonder if been-there has realised he has made a thread that promptly debunks his own claim? Clearly the beautiful aspects of pre war Germany are not ignored and are easily available online with you tube and the media.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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I think it makes perfect sense. If you do not understand, you could just ask.
Or continue as usual to assume that when things don't make sense to you it is because of others shortcomings thereby displaying your own limited powers of comprehension.
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been-there wrote:I think it makes perfect sense. If you do not understand, you could just ask.
Or continue as usual to assume that when things don't make sense to you it is because of others shortcomings thereby displaying your own limited powers of comprehension.
Rather than being your usual abusive, explain yourself.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
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Homes and Gardens. November 1938
http://www.theguardian.com/germany/grap ... 13,00.html

This Jewish journalist was harassed and smeared for not "ignoring" positive aspects of pre-war Germany. He was castigated for posting scans of pages from the following British magazine article from 1938, and illegally ordered to remove the scans based on a bogus copyright claim.

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Hitler's Mountain home
A visit to 'Haus Wachenfeld' in the Bavarian Alps, written and illustrated by Ignatius Phayre

It is over twelve years since Herr Hitler fixed on the site of his one and only home. It had to be close to the Austrian border, barely ten miles from Mozart's own medieval Salzburg. At first no more than a hunter's shack, "Haus Wachenfeld" has grown until it is to-day quite a handsome Bavarian chalet, 2,000 feet up on the Obersalsburg amid pinewoods and cherry orchards. Here, in the early days, Hitler's widowed sister, Frau Angela Raufal, kept house for him on a "peasant" scale. Then, as his famous book Mein Kampf ("My Struggle") became a best-seller of astonishing power (4,500,000 copies of it have been sold), Hitler began to think of replacing that humble shack by a house and garden of suitable scope. In this matter he has throughout been his own architect.

There is nothing pretentious about the Führer's little estate. It is one that any merchant of Munich or Nuremberg might possess in these lovely hills.

The entrance hall is filled with a curious display of cactus plants in majolica pots. Herr Hitler's study is fitted as a modern office, and leading out of this is a telephone exchange. From here it is possible for the Führer to invite friends or Ministers to fly over to Berchtesgaden, landing on his own aerodrome just below the chalet lawns.

The site commands the fairest view of all Europe. This is to say much, I know. But in these Bavarian Alps there is a softness of greenery, with snow-white cascades and forest-clad pinnacles, like the Schönfeldapitae and Tuefelshörmer.

Hitler's home looks out upon his native Austria. Meals are often served on the terrace on little tables shaded by big canvas umbrellas. From this viewpoint a chain of drowsy lakes is seen far below, with ancient shrine-chapels hidden in ferny folds of towering rocks. And since the Reichsführer settled here as "Squire of Wachenfeld" the whole region has been starred with motor speedways [autobahns?] even as far as Oberammergau.

The colour scheme throughout this bright, airy chalet is light jade green. In outside rooms, like the sun-parlour, chairs and tables are of white, plaited cane. Here Hitler will read the home and foreign papers which his own air pilot, Hansel Baur, brings him every day from Berlin before lunch.

At this altitude, the Bavarian sun is at its most genial. Even at Christmastime when deep snows are out, Haus Wachenfeld basks in warmth like the Engadine's. The effect of light and air in the house is heightened by the rolling and trilling of many Hartz mountain canaries in gilded cages which hang or stand in most of the rooms.

The curtains are of printed linen or fine damask in the softer shades. The Führer is his own decorator, designer and furnisher, as well as architect. He is constantly enlarging the place, building on new guest annexes, and arranging in these his favorite antiques- chiefly German furniture of the eighteenth century, for which agents in Munich are on the lookout.

It is a mistake to guess that week-end guests are all, or even mainly, State officials. Hitler delights in the society of brilliant foreigners, especially painters, musicians and singers. As host, he is a droll raconteur; we all know how surprised were Mr. Lloyd George and his party when they accepted an invitation to Haus Wachenfeld.

The guest bedrooms are hung with old engravings. But more interesting than any of these to the visitor are the Führer's own water-colour sketches. Time was when a hungry Hitler was glad to raise a few marks by selling these little works; none measures more than about eight inches square, and each is signed "A. Hitler" - unmistakably, if also illegibly!

The gardens are laid out simply enough. Lawns at different levels are planted with flowering shrubs as well as roses and other blooms in due season. The Führer, I may add, has a passion about cut flowers in his home, as well as for music.

Every morning at nine he goes out for a talk with the gardeners about their day's work. These men, like the chauffeur and air-pilot, are not so much servants as loyal friends. A life-long vegetarian at table, Hitler's kitchen plots are both varied and heavy on produce. Even in his meatless diet, Hitler is something of a gourmet - as Sir John Simon and Mr. Anthony Eden were surprised to note when they dined with him at the Presidial Palace at Berlin. His Bavarian chef, Herr Kannenberg, contrives an imposing array of vegetarian dishes, savoury and rich, pleasing to the eye as well as to the palate, and all conforming to the dietic standards which Hitler exacts. But at Haus Wachenfeld he keeps a generous table for guests of normal tastes. Here bon viveurs like Field-Marshals Göring and von Blumberg and Joachim von Ribbentrop will forgather at dinner. Elaborate dishes... will then be served with fine wine and liquors of von Ribbentrop's expert choosing. Cigars and cigarettes are duly lighted at this terrace feast — though Hitler himself never smokes, nor does he take alcohol in any form.

All visitors are shown their host's model kennels, where he breeds magnificent Alsatians. Some of his pedigree pets are allowed the run of the house, especially on days when Herr Hitler gives a "Fun Fair" to the local children. On such a day, when State affairs are over, the Squire himself, attended by some of his guests, will stroll through the woods into hamlets above and below. There rustics sit at cottage doors, carving trinkets and toys in wood, ivory and bone. It is then the little ones are invited to the house. Coffee, cakes, fruits and sweets are laid out for them on trestle tables in the grassy orchards. The Frauen Goebbels and Göring, in dainty Bavarian dress, arrange dances and folk-songs while the bolder spirits are given joy-rides in Herr Hitler's private aeroplane.

Nor must I forget to mention the archery-butts at the back of the chalet. It is strange to watch the burly Field-Marshal Göring, as chief of the most formidable air force in Europe, taking a turn with the bow and arrow at straw targets of twenty-five yards range. There is as much to-do about those scarlet bulls-eyes as though the fate of nations depended on a perfect score!

But I have said enough to convey the idea of a sunny sub-alpine home, hundreds of miles from Berlin's uproar, and set amid an unsophisticated peasantry of carvers and hunters. This is the only home in which Hitler can laugh and take his ease — or even "conduct tours" by means of the tripod telescope which he himself operates on the terrace for his visitors. "This place is mine." He says, simply. "I built it with money that I earned." Then he takes you into his library where you note that quite half of the books are on history, painting, architecture and music. When it is fine enough to dine in the open air, one sees a piano made ready for the after-dinner concert. Local talent will provide violin and cello for pieces by Mozart or Brahms. But at the piano itself, it is always that English-speaking giant (he is 6ft. 4 ins.) — Dr. Ernest "Putzi" Hanfatarangl who presides as composer of all-German reknown.

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The original house.

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The extended refurbished annex.
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The journalist was more pissed off by denier/revisionists....

"Suddenly, I was deluged with comments from all sorts of people. Some were supportive, some dismissive. There was one accusing me of being a Nazi sympathiser wanting to promote Hitler as a decent human being, and threatening to report me to the anti-defamation league. (I'm Jewish, so this was mildly insulting.) There were a few bits of shocking anti-semitism from some neo-Nazis; and some very, very detailed debate about copyright. And, as I had predicted, the pages had already been copied and appeared on sites around the world - mainly in Israel and the USA. Unfortunately, one of these belonged to the Holocaust revisionist David Irving."

.....than the copyright issue.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Netflix still doesn't have Jud Süß available for streaming. What's up with that?

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