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The Shadow Economy

Post by Werd » Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:42 am

Split from the faked beading videos and fake war on terror thread.
History is littered with mistakes being repeated, the classic recent example is the property bubble and collapse. There have been speculation bubbles followed by collapses going back centuries.

-Nessie Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:13 pm
My response.
Wrong. Mortgage speculation, credit default swaps, collatoralized debt obligations, these were instruments...derivatives...created on purpose to enrich the banks and fuck the public. Let's not forget the predatory lending aspect. A verifiable conspiracy. The banks then collapsed when these mortgages failed and they got bailed out by Congress. Goldman Sachs, Merril Lynch. Bears Sterns. Lehman Brothers. They were all in on it. This was not an accident you idiot. Causality and free will exist. Decisions were made. Duh!
http://www.nationofchange.org/what-s-ha ... 1319725765
Also read the book Theft of a Nation: Wall Street Looting and Federal Regulatory Colluding By Gregg Barak. Especially page 31 on googlebooks.

- Werd Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:39 pm
Since Nessie is a moron that doesn't understand economics and can't differentiate between and accident and intent, I feel I have to put out extra sources so that he understands it. Assuming of course, he wants to and is not a Hasbara troll instead...


Shadow Economy Diagram.
Yet another simplistic chalkboard diagram, that shows the REAL reasons behind the economic troubles we are experiencing today.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8ee_1222915606

Madoff Ponzi Scheme Dwarfed by Illuminati Rubin's
December 15, 2008
by Henry Makow Ph.D.
http://www.henrymakow.com/we_all_are_vi ... giant.html

New Deal for Illuminati Banksters
Posted on 07/16/2014
https://hendersonlefthook.wordpress.com ... banksters/

Bear Stearns' Emails Confirm Sale of Sack of Shit Loans
http://www.taofear.com/2011/01/bear-ste ... le-of.html

Bear Stearns mortgage executives have plum jobs on Wall Street
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/07/ ... all-street

What’s Happened to the Big Players in the Financial Crisis
http://www.nationofchange.org/what-s-ha ... 1319725765

The Housing Bubble in Less Than 2 Minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFIKx-hWlZw

SECURITISATION IS 100% ILLEGAL UNDER U.S. LEGISLATION
WHAT THE OFFICIAL RACKETEERS ARE DESPERATELY COVERING UP
http://www.worldreports.courtofrecord.o ... egislation

Who is to Blame for the Financial Crisis
http://www.economicpredictions.org/who- ... crisis.htm

Pillaging Villains of the Financial Crisis
http://dollarsandsense.org/archives/201 ... ssman.html

The Crisis of Credit Visualized
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx_LWm6_6tA
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Great Video! watched it a few times now and each time I pick up something else. It's unfortunate that the Wall Street banks were essentially "bailed out" with a $750 billion gift. Chase actually was making money on the commissions for selling the investments and then buying put options which they would profit if the securities plummeted. The real winners here were the mortgage lenders and brokers - make a ton of money and no repercussions whatsoever. History will not look too kindly on our generation.
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Egregious video. Explains the credit crunch okay. But ultimately blames the "bad home owner" for the collapse. Then claims the institutional investor and Wall St go "bust" when the time bombs go off. Makes no mention of the fact that the US Gov then bails them out by borrowing trillions from the Fed, thus enslaving the US taxpayers of future generations to pay back this non-existent money (but the very real interest attached to it) back to the Fed. The fat cats make out like bandits in reality. But the poor homeowner has lost his job, lost his house, but somehow has to pay the gov taxes to pay back the Fed. His children and grand children are now enslaved to the Fed as well now as the debt is so huge. Great system.

A little truth next time.
And,
I do agree that the gov shouldn't be bailing out bad investment. It encourages reckless behaviour. Say if I have a gov guarantee that they will reimburse my turnip investment if it goes sour, I am happy to to take impossible promises (like a stupid return on investment from the promoter) at face value and invest. If it works, I am happy, if it doesn't the taxpayer can foot the bill for my recklessness and I walk away to do the same thing again.

If an investor make stupid investment decision (or simply unlucky with his risky venture), he should be the one suffering the consequences. Maybe make less risky decisions next time if they can't cope with the downside. Or share the risks with another investor to reduce the risk exposure. etc
Of course this is all an accident and they could never foresee how this would fail. Yeah, right. Just one innocent mistake after another.
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Re: The Shadow Economy

Post by Scott » Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:52 am

Okay, can we have not quite so much name-calling, like troll, moron, etc. ?

Somebody recently says that RODOH has five working Revisionists and one one anti-. So, not that anybody has complained, but I don't want us to lose our one anti-.

Btw, where is Roberto Muehlenkamp these days?

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Re: The Shadow Economy

Post by Nessie » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:01 am

It is OK Scott. I would say my hide is thicker than a rhinos when it comes to participating here and on other Holocaust forums. I am sure Werd and the others are actually rather pissed off that no matter what they say, it does nor deter me from posting. Their stated aim is to get rid of me. Thanks for saying you don't want rid of me.

The only reason for you to try and tone down Werd and the others is that they put others off from joining. They are dragging the forum down by their abusive behaviour and as has been noted there are very few participants now. I am concerned that the denier/revisionists want this as their play ground where they can put forward their views largely unchallenged.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: The Shadow Economy

Post by Nessie » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:18 am

Werd wrote:........

Of course this is all an accident and they could never foresee how this would fail. Yeah, right. Just one innocent mistake after another.
It was no an accident. They (primarily government) should have seen it would not continue and that is why the removal of regulation was a mistake. It was not an innocent mistake, it was the action of fools who believed they could buck the trend for boom and collapse and create a stable, ever growing economy.

I am not an economist, but I did know enough to realise what was going on was unsustainable. So I kept my money within the still regulated part UK financial system and now sit with a house I own outright, lots of collateral and a hefty pot of money to retire early with. Instead of using low interest rates to borrow stupid amounts of money, I used them to pay off loans quicker than I otherwise could have.

The public who are most angry are the dupes who got fooled into buying and borrowing way beyond what they could repay. I feel sorry for those who were conned, such as being forced to take out repayment insurance they did not need. I do not for those who lied about how how much they earned to get massive mortgages and took every credit card going.

What really happened was that as regulations (such as keeping investment and services banking separate and properly funded) were dropped, the wolfs went to play and they preyed on the rest of society. Those in charge were happy as they got wealthy as well and could bask in the ever increasing economy. Lone voices warning there were problems such as the MP Vince Cable, were generally ignored. That is not conspiracy, that is what happens when society does not regulate itself properly. You would do to read up on sociology and learn about such behaviour.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: The Shadow Economy

Post by Werd » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:26 pm

the wolfs went to play and they preyed on the rest of society.
That fits the definition of conspiracy.
https://www.rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic. ... 667#p56667
That is not conspiracy, that is what happens when society does not regulate itself properly. You would do to read up on sociology and learn about such behaviour.
Another wild goose chase. Why don't you read up on the law and how it was broken?
Especially considering that SECURITISATION IS 100% ILLEGAL UNDER U.S. LEGISLATION
http://www.worldreports.courtofrecord.o ... egislation
Highlights.
http://www.shadowtraders.com/futuresblog/?p=2171
Analysis from Michael Nwogugu, CPA.
http://spoonfedtruth.ucoz.com/Securitiz ... llegal.pdf

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Re: The Shadow Economy

Post by Werd » Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:20 am

Continuing from the faked beheadings and fake war on terror thread...




It was a lack of regulation by government and the chiefs of the banks.
This was done on purpose by opening loop holes as shown by Ryan Dawson in his chalkboard video hosted on liveleak. Of course not all of them were filled. You would know this if you read about how securitization is 100% illegal.

The claims about families assumes everyone with the same surname is related and connected. That is conspiracy shit.
Just focus on the Rockefellers and Rothschilds that are involved. Why do you need to make a strawman whereby I think everyone with that surname is involved? because you are a troll.
What have they achieved? Life goes on, boom and bust, natural disasters, bank collapses, nations rise and fall, wars take place, peace is declared. Out of that a few families become famous, particularly the wealthy in the USA were wealth means nobility and royalty and they are worshipped.
Check the books recommended by me that are authored by Griffin, Mullins, Allen and Springmeier. Control of the Federal Reserve and the cornering of financial markets alone is powerful enough. These vague statements prove you have nothing specific to offer in the ways of a refutation of the historical evidence of the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Warburgs, Kuhn-Loebs, Schiffs, etc running the American economy and creating crashes AT WILL. Thanks for the confirmation that you have not perused the documentation. Research shows that those 13 families Fritz Springmeier talks about are still alive and still wield power in America. Specifically the Rothschilds and Rockefellers. You may want to read The Federal Reserve Conspiracy by Eustace Mullins or The Creature from Jekyll Island by G. Edward Griffin or None Dare Call it Conspiracy and also The Rockefeller File by Gary Allen. You have not studied.

The Men Who Crashed the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYTyluv4Gws

The Men Who Crashed the world part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=Bp7c2Wo9YDc

The Men Who Crashed the world part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=Bp7c2Wo9YDc

The Men Who Crashed the world part 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osAYMnqZyZc

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Post by been-there » Mon Feb 02, 2015 5:55 am

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Re: The Shadow Economy

Post by Scott » Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:14 pm

Nessie wrote:
It is OK Scott. I would say my hide is thicker than a rhinos when it comes to participating here and on other Holocaust forums. I am sure Werd and the others are actually rather pissed off that no matter what they say, it does nor deter me from posting. Their stated aim is to get rid of me. Thanks for saying you don't want rid of me.

The only reason for you to try and tone down Werd and the others is that they put others off from joining. They are dragging the forum down by their abusive behaviour and as has been noted there are very few participants now. I am concerned that the denier/revisionists want this as their play ground where they can put forward their views largely unchallenged.
I encourage people to have thick hides because I can't referee stuff like that; there just aren't enough hours in the day.

The most important thing is that people participate and Werd participates and I like that.

So unless things really are out of hand to the point that it is discouraging newbies, that isn't a huge problem. Most n00bs have been lurking for years, though, so it is not like people don't know what they are getting into, ha ha.

Carry on ...
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Re: The Shadow Economy

Post by Nessie » Mon Feb 02, 2015 5:12 pm

Werd wrote:
the wolfs went to play and they preyed on the rest of society.
That fits the definition of conspiracy.
Life has wolves and prey and whilst it has flaws, I regard social democracy as the best way to control the wolves and stop others from becoming prey without losing the need for wolves.

You have decided that life is run by a few "Illuminate". I do not and say what goes on is how life functions in its natural state of survival of the fittest, empathy, community and a whole host of traits that the study of psychology and sociology have explained.

You get your information from fellow conspiracy theorists, I get mine from science.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: The Shadow Economy

Post by Werd » Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:36 pm

You get your information from fellow conspiracy theorists
Lie. Only some of it. Check my sources above. Some of them are mainstream and even THEY can figure out this whole banking crisis was RIGGED TO ENRICH THE RICH FROM THE START. Michael Nwogugu for example who proved that securitization is illegal is not a conspiracy theorist and he is an economic scientist. So you are lying when you say all my sources are rambling conspiracy types that have no proof or arguments. But that is typical of trolls who dodge.

Secondly, given that we have learned about the definition of "conspiracy theory" that you are obviously pretending never happened,
https://www.rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic. ... 667#p56667
eveyone qualifies as a conspiracy theorist. Their conspiracy theories just blame different groups than others. So saying, "Well you're a conspiracy theorist," is not only applicable to yourself, but it is a non argument. What you should be doing is not looking at the person (ad hominem), but rather their argument. And you clearly will not study Eustace Mullins work on the Federal Reserve, or even Gary Allen's chapter 3 and 4 in NONE DARE CALL IT CONSPIRACY.

I don't throw my pearls to swine. At least I try not to. As my signature shows, sometimes I forget to not feed the trolls for too long.

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