What is so special about 'Jewish' suffering?

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The American government has wiped out about 20 million native Americans.

Stalin murdered about 9 million Ukrainians between 1930-33.

Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin and the Jewish Bolsheviks murdered at least 40 million Russian Christians.

In 1920 the Turkish government massacred about 2 million Armenians,

Mao Zedong massacred 40 million Chinese in the 1950's.


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On Chosen-mess

A few days ago the BBC reported on an extraordinary French identity theft scam. For two years starting in late 2015, an individual or individuals impersonating France's defence minister, Jean-Yves Le Drian, scammed an estimated €80m from wealthy French patriots.

The victims of this fraud were tricked into believing that they were being contacted by France’s Defence Minister who was requesting money to help pay ransom for journalists held hostage by Islamists in the Middle East. Since France officially does not pay ransom to terrorists, the fake minster assured the victims that payments could not be traced and asked for the funds to be wired to a bank in China.

The BBC deemed the operation “one of the most outlandish and successful rackets of recent times.”

You may not be surprised that the accused evil genius behind this con is a French-Israeli character of Tunisian Jewish background named Gilbert Chikli. Chikli grew up in the working-class Belleville neighbourhood of northeast Paris.

In 2015, Chikli was found guilty of scamming money from French corporations by pretending to be their chief executive. By the time the verdict was reached, Chikli was safely ensconced in the Jewish State, which refuses to extradite its nationals.

Chikli's luck ran out in August 2017 when he made the mistake of travelling to Ukraine where he was arrested at the request of the French police. Chikli told police he was on a pilgrimage to the tomb of a well-known rabbi. But a search into his phone’s communication revealed that he went to Ukraine to buy a silicone mask

The alleged crime saga didn’t end there. Recently reports began to arrive at French embassies around the world that once again a fake Le Drian, now French foreign minster, was trying to squeeze money out of influential ‘friends of France’. In February, three French-Israeli citizens were arrested near Tel Aviv in connection with this new swindle.

Chikli’s racket is astonishing, creative; criminologists may decide that it borders on genius. Although Chikli didn’t invent the art of the swindle, he ratcheted it up to a higher level.

What I find remarkable about Chikli’s operation is not the stunning amounts of money, the sophistication, or even the chutzpah involved: it is the fact that Chikli ’s scam was dependent upon the humane compassion of others. He banked on the fact that humans feel and care for each other. We are dealing with a disgraceful blow against the most precious aspect of humanity, that which sustains kindness and brotherhood.

It is not surprising that some very wealthy and influential people fell for Chikli’s racket and for the obvious reason: decent humans would find it hard or even impossible to imagine the extent of Chikli and his friends’ deception.

And Chikli is not alone in his practices. In recent years we have seen a number of instances of gross misbehavior and abuse and on a spectacular scale. And as is the case of Chikli we find Jews and Israelis at the centre of these embarrassing sagas.

In 2010 an Israeli court ruled that seven Israelis suspected of scamming tens of millions of dollars from U.S. pensioners in a so-called ‘Nigerian scam’ could be extradited to the United States to face trial there. Israel has bought itself a reputation as the location of some of the most horrendous crimes such as organ trafficking (look here and here), and is notorious as a hub of human trafficking, blood diamond, crypto currency criminals, the binary options scam, and the scope of gross unethical behavior extends well beyond the borders of the Jewish State.

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This guy Larry David's humour I'm not familiar with but after watching two of his monologues it seems to be all about the sexual act and attitudes to it. Lots of smutty references to sex. So here is the joke that so many Jews got so upset about and complained about.

Check it out. From 5:27 for the holocaust joke. The Preponderance of Jews in sexual abuse scandals is near the beginning.

See if you can see what is so terrible about this use of Auschwitz for his sexual humour.

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This glorification of one's own people's unique and ‘special’ suffering appears to me now to be a quite unique, collective, psychologically-self-harming, peculiar phenomena.
Which other people do that? deliberately self-damage themselves, each other and their children with decades of constantly repackaged recounting of horrific events, via traumatising writings, big-screen tragic film dramatisations, grim and necro-pornographic TV documentaries, memorial services, etc., etc.

I recently read about a horrific event completely unknown to me.
It was an emotionally compelling article written in 2011 for a Jewish newspaper concerning the Iasi pogrom in Romania.
After reading other accounts it appears that prevalent suspicions against Jews by the Romanians prior to operation Barbarossa erupted after Iasi was attacked by the Soviets. The cause was that Jews were thought to have assisted that attack. This belief that many Jews in Iasi represented a potential bolshevik ‘fifth column' working with the Soviets in 1941 led to severe repercussions, arrests, mass public executions and enforced deportments.
But the first account I read sounded like it was a massacre of random Jews just for being Jewish. None of that war context or communist-sympathising context is given any credence at all. Its just described as yet another horrific, murderous, anti-semitic event with no reason nor cause other than hatred and unfounded suspicion and paranoia. Rather revealingly, its falsely described at the article's end as “so began the Romanian chapter of Hitler’s Final Solution”.

Ah-ha. So Hitler somehow orchestrated that also? He somehow inspired the menfollk of Iasi to spontaneous reprisals against suspected Communist supporting Jews?
Wow! How did he do that?

Compare:
My sister had suffered throughout her life, tormented by unimaginable nightmares that robbed her of sleep and sanctuary. The document I had given her described her nightmares perfectlyskeletons tossed haphazardly to the side of the road, bodies hanging from lampposts, Jews driven to their knees, shamed in the public square.It was not the fantasy of a nightmare she read in that document. It was cold, harsh truth.
Miriam had been just three years old when the pogrom occurred but the images that the witness documented had been seared into her young imagination, returning in nightmares to torment her anew throughout her life.
Throughout the night, Jews were dragged from their homes, from their beds, from their families, and brought to the courtyard of the Police Headquarters. By dawn on that Sabbath morning, more than two thousand Jews had been rounded up. By noon, the number was six thousand.

June 29, 1941. Duminica Aceia (That Sunday). That Sunday, the bloodiest day in the history of the Jews of Romania. With the mass of Jews corralled into the courtyard of Police Headquarters, soldiers opened fire, killing several hundred even as other soldiers beat individual Jews to death.
Did the screams and wails of these defenseless victims bring about mercy in the hearts of these good Christian soldiers? No. Their hearts were deaf to the defenseless cries of the innocents.

The community had exploded in a vile expression of hatred and evil. Not just the soldiers. The community had exploded in a vile expression of hatred and evil. Even as the massacre was taking place at Police Headquarters, the pogrom raged like a wildfire throughout the city, striking terror in every Jewish home.

12,000 Jews were arrested and shot outside Police Headquarters. 4,300 more were stuffed into closed cargo vans and cattle cars on trains. 2,650 died of thirst or suffocation. There are those who might argue that those who perished were the “lucky” ones. The survivors suffered excessive physical and mental trauma that, as it did my parents and sister, would torment them throughout their lives.

So began the Romanian chapter of Hitler’s Final Solution.
...compare that with...
In early July, 1991 Elie Wiesel, the author, Nobel Peace Prize winner and founding chairman and member of the United States Holocaust Memorial Council, was interrupted while making a Holocaust memorial dedication speech in Iasi, Romania.

...a woman interrupted Mr. Wiesel as he recalled the murder of thousands of Jews in Iasi by the Romanian Iron Guard in 1941. With some support from the crowd, she shouted:
"It's a lie!
...We won't allow Romanians to be insulted by foreigners in their own country"

(news article, July 3).
...as one of our Romanian-born researchers has determined, that woman has more cause than most to know the truth. According to the independent Romanian newspaper Libertatea, she is the daughter of Col. Dumitru Captaru, whom reliable sources identify as directly involved in the Iasi pogrom and in the deportation of more than 4,000 Jews...

For his role in the Iasi pogrom, Colonel Captaru was condemned to forced labour for life in 1948.
https://www.nytimes.com/1991/08/27/opin ... 28491.html
That's an opinion piece from the Jew York Times. I have removed parts of the article to allow the basic facts to remain without the manipulative spin. The basic facts being that Elie Wisel gave a speech in Iasi as a part of the annual 'Jewish genocide' memorialisation campaign, and a woman heckled him and shouted he was telling lies. The article's author sarcastically admits that she ought to know, her father was involved.
The suggestion is that she was denying reality.
The alternative interpretation isn't encouraged. That being that maybe she bravely was telling a taboo truth. That maybe the episode has been exaggerated, distorted and dishonestly removed from its historical context.

... compare that with...
The Pogrom in Iaşi, Romania, June 29th 1941 and thereafter
Jean Ancel’s academic life was devoted to the study of the Holocaust in Romania. Born in the northern city of Iaşi in 1940, Ancel emigrated in 1959 to Israel, where he studied at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. After graduating, he worked as an archivist for Yad Vashem — a job that gave him unfettered access to the institution’s rich archival holdings. He drew meticulously and authoritatively upon these sources to produce a body of scholarship that provides a reference point for all historians of the Holocaust in Romania. It is therefore not surprising that one focus of Ancel’s investigation should have been the pogrom in his native city. This... volume, first published in Romanian in 2005, casts fresh light upon some of the ...acts... perpetrated against the Jews by the Romanian authorities during the Second World War.
In the scholarship, it has become a convention to include a succession of events that took place over the period June 29–July 6 in Iaşi — including deportations of Jews by train — under the term “pogrom.” Ancel follows this convention.
It can be argued, however, that the pogrom itself, strictly speaking, spanned the days 29 and 30 June.

Reconstructing these events is no simple matter. Scholars’ estimates of the numbers of Jews massacred in Iaşi range from 1,000 to 14,000; a further 2,713 died during deportation southward by train. The number of Jews shot in the city is the subject of dispute. The self-serving nature of official reports — some of which contradict each other in essential details — and the absence of an accurate record of the number of victims are impediments to providing a clear account of the... behavior of the German and Romanian forces, as well as of the criminal incompetence of the Romanian military authorities. Ancel puts the number of those murdered at “about one-third of the city’s Jews, over 14,000” (p. 19), but he does not explain clearly how he reaches this figure.

Since this book is addressed to an Anglophone readership that is largely unaware of the actions of Romania’s wartime pro-German leader, General (later Marshal) Ion Antonescu, and his responsibility for the deaths of more than 250,000 Jews, it is essential that the context in which the events of late June 1941 took place be adequately explained...
https://muse.jhu.edu/article/630512/pdf
So was it a thousand people executed for suspected of being communist supporters during a war?
Or was it 14,000 innocent people mass-murdered just for being Jewish?
Who knows?
But daring to ask this question will be regarded as being ‘anti-semitic’.
Why?
Because such questions do not bow worshipfully and respectfully at the altar of 'unique and special Jewish suffering’!
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Here is a recent article in the 'Times of Israel' showing that Jews think they are allowed to make racist and offensive remarks that deeply "offend" people of other nationalities, yet they can feel "offended" and demand their feelings of 'offence' take precedence. 'The Holocaust' gets produced as a trump card.
Polish President blamed Israel for
anti-Semitic incidents in Poland


In a meeting with Jewish leaders in New York, Polish President Duda reportedly shocked attendees by suggesting offensive comments by the Israeli Foreign Minister were the cause for the rise in hate.

Polish President Andrzej Duda blamed Israel for rising anti-Semitism in his country in a meeting this week with American Jewish leaders. Duda claimed offensive comments by Israel’s foreign minister had caused an increase in anti-Semitism in Poland. In February ['Jewish' Israeli] Israel Katz, then acting foreign minister, inflamed tensions with Warsaw when, quoting late prime minister Yitzhak Shamir, he said “Poles suckle anti-Semitism with their mothers’ milk.”

Responding to the report, MK Yair Lapid, no.2 in the Blue and White party [Israeli political party], said: “No Mr. Duda, Israel is not responsible for anti-Semitic incidents in Poland. The ones responsible are anti-Semitic Poles — like those who aided in the murder of Jews in the Holocaust.”

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ACCEPTABLE:

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Humour ridiculing the WW2 suffering of Germans is not only ...acceptable... it's encouraged.

Humour making light about the torture, killing and suffering during the inquistion is also acceptable.
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...totally acceptable...

Offensive jokes by Jews directed at Christianity and Christians just to be shocking is ok too
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Humour at the expense of Germans visiting England is even awarded and celebrated.
Mentioning not mentioning the war to Germans is considered hilarious.




UNACCEPTABLE:
But don't mention 'the Jews'.

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Don't do ANY humour that even mentions Jews during WW2. That is not only totally unacceptable, that will get you fined, demonised and ostracised from society.
Just ask Alison Chabloz.
Ask Count Dankula.

Ask Isaac Butterfield, who just mentioned Auschwitz in a joke against vegans. Which an over-sensitive and stupid jewish woman complained about, and then the media went crazy with a false story that was repeated in all mainstream media.

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That one Jewish woman who complained about the joke said eight million? Um, I thought it was six? Why do Jews keep making the number bigger and bigger? I wonder if their lying and exaggeration is going to cause people to dislike them and think of them as liars. I wonder if Jews are capable of understanding how some anti-Jewish attitudes are earned - that they are caused by certain behaviour of Jews?

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Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:23 pm
That one Jewish woman who complained about the joke said eight million?
As you may have seen one lady mentioned 800 million were slaughtered; what this means is they are inculcated to be prone to exaggerations, saying things off the cuff without any research, taking it as real without the slightest consideration that it was a hoax of their forefathers.
Watching the debate above on the Donahue show it should be noted that the bias of Shermer has nothing to do with skepticism but because he is jude. Shermer is a derivation of the jüdisch name of the ashkenazi Schermer many who ended up in Argentina.


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Ever wondered if what is vaguely but constantly referred to as 'the holocaust’ is not just a flawed but genuinely believed pseudo-history but is ALSO a racket?

Could it also be the means for a giant financial con?

A huge swindle?
Are you a child of a Holocaust survivor who was interned in a Ghetto?

You may be entitled to a large sum of money!

Even if you are already receiving compensation from the Claims Conference or from the German authorities, including the German Pension Insurance you may be eligible to receive additional payments.

Who is entitled to compensation?
Any individual who was interned in a Ghetto, even for a short while, may be entitled to a monthly payment as well as a one-time retroactive payment – in some instances dated back to the year 1997.

A widow(er) of a Holocaust survivor is also eligible for a pension from Germany that would have been paid to the deceased spouse, including cases in which the spouse has been deceased for many years.

This claim can be filed even if you are already receiving a monthly reparation payment from the Claims Conference or directly from Germany (BEG, German Pension Insurance or BADV).

If you are an heir of a ghetto survivor, and the survivor or their spouse was alive on June 27th 2002, you may be entitled to a one-time payment.

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