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Institutionalised, racist attitudes and behaviour! :(

Post by been-there » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:08 am

Israeli military authorities are guilty of "widespread, systematic and institutionalised" ill-treatment of Palestinian children taken into detention in the West Bank
DISGUSTING behaviour! :(
"A study by the UN children's charity UNICEF found evidence of children being arrested at their homes in the middle of the night by heavily armed soldiers before being taken to detention facilities. They were then tied and blindfolded before being subject to violent interrogations in which they were coerced into signing confessions in Hebrew that they could not understand.
Interrogations sessions were conducted without the presence of a family member or lawyer, the report – Children in Israeli Military Detention – said, adding: "Treatment inconsistent with child rights continues during court appearances." This includes shackling, denial of bail, custodial sentences and the transfer to detention facilities in Israel, making it difficult or impossible for family members to visit them.
UNICEF said the practices violated international law and the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child."
UNicef report: Israel guilty of ill treatment of Palestinian children
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Re: DISGUSTING institutionalised, racist behaviour! :(

Post by Cerdic » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:59 am

Overall, UNICEF’s report on Israel’s treatment of Palestinian children in the West Bank Military Courts, despite some more positive treatment than UN reports often give, did not give Israel high marks.

The 38 recommendations and the tone of the document mostly spoke of Israeli violations of international law.

But reading such a report is tricky.

There are statements about conditions in the West Bank military justice system, such as that Palestinian minors have been beaten and forced to sign confessions, which if true, are unquestionably violations.

Then there are a lot of allegations interwoven with the more serious allegations that fall in a gray category of standards that some countries, especially in Europe, are trying to promote, but that have not been accepted as international law.

For example, the report compliments Israel on recently establishing a juvenile court system within the military courts to give special treatment to minors.

But the report then states Israel violated standards set by the UN Committee for the Rights of the Child that a juvenile court system must be in completely separate facilities with separate staff.

The Israeli system currently uses the same facility and generally has an overlapping staff. But the judges have undergone the same special training as juvenile court judges in Israel and apply a different set of more childfriendly procedures and policies.

This is not a clear violation of international law and it is unclear why the report would criticize Israel on a specific issue where it has made recent major reforms and is employing similar policies for Israeli citizens and Palestinians.

Also, unlike the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child which Israel has ratified and is binding, recommendations from the committee are just that – recommendations.

They certainly have a greater status than recommendations from a less prominent and multilateral body, but many nations would say that disputing some of those recommendations is fair game, and many do.

A similar example is the accusation that Israel violates international law with regard to the minimum amount of time until which a detained minor must be brought before a judge.

The committee recommends 24 hours for all children under 18.

Israel ensures (or as of April will ensure) that all children under 14 are brought before a judge within 24 hours, and that all minor 14-18 are brought before a judge within 48 hours.

The differences between the committee’s recommendation and Israel’s policy are no international law violation, and are debatable in that Israel can argue there are fundamental differences in the ability to swiftly bring Palestinians to court from their villages, in collecting evidence and in the interrogation process from the process with Israeli citizens.

Maybe these reasons are only sufficient in some cases, but the report does not appear to delve into such nuances.

Another highly controversial Israeli policy is arresting minors in the middle of the night.

Israel usually explains that prior to this policy it was difficult to make arrests in Palestinian areas as attempts to do so in broad daylight were met with village-wide resistance and created greater friction.

Though Israeli officials are also not excited about middle of the night arrests, again there is no violation of international law, and while scary and regrettable for children, they are not tantamount to torture.

Finally, there are issues of interpretation of binding conventions and of theory versus reality.

Recently, the committee criticized Israel for violating the convention during November’s Operation Pillar of Defense, whenever homes and schools were bombed – “gravely affecting children.”

Many nations argue that in the context of an armed conflict, such as during Pillar of Defense, the law of armed conflict applies, not peacetime human rights law, including the convention.

Although there are specific provisions against involving children in armed conflict in a protocol to the convention, these relate more to recruiting children into one’s armies.

They do not preclude an army attacking a legitimate military target, where the rules of necessity and proportionality are fulfilled, simply because there will also be an impact on children.

In other words, the impact on children is part of, not separate from, the general analysis about collateral damage.

The report also appears to assume that because some minors can theoretically receive a maximum sentence of up to 20 years in prison, that this might be a common occurrence.

But the vast majority of cases regarding minors involve rock throwing with no physical harm to a person and a sentence of only a few months.

Whether Israel’s policies are ideal or whether they can be improved are important questions, and undoubtedly based on the many changes in recent years, many more changes can and should be made, In analyzing the report, keeping in mind the differences between gray issues and clear international law violations may result in a more constructive debate.
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Re: DISGUSTING institutionalised, racist behaviour! :(

Post by been-there » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:21 am

Cerdic wrote:
But reading such a report is tricky...
Whether Israel’s policies are ideal or whether they can be improved are important questions, and undoubtedly based on the many changes in recent years, many more changes can and should be made, In analyzing the report, keeping in mind the differences between gray issues and clear international law violations may result in a more constructive debate.
http://www.jpost.com/Features/In-Thespo ... d-intl-law
More constructive debate???! :o Why arrest a six year old child? What sort of threat could he possibly provide?
You are ignoring the clear racial aspect. There are different laws and different ways of applying them for Israeli (jewish) children and Palestinian children. Israel has completely different systems for treating these children. Israeli kids go to a civil court. Palestinian kids go to a Military court with completely different rules. Please consider that you are clearly in denial about this.
You are supporting disgusting institutionalised racist behaviour.
Shame on you.
You have learnt NOTHING from the so-called 'holocaust' narrative. ("Never again". Remember?)
You are not only permitting disgusting institutionalised racist behaviour and brutality against a people because of their ethnic origin, you are condoning and justifying it. :(
And you presumably are doing that merely because you consider yourself JEWISH and therefore part of some International 'group'.

Shame on you.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:31 pm

been-there wrote:Why arrest a six year old child? What sort of threat could he possibly provide?
You are ignoring the clear racial aspect. There are different laws and different ways of applying them for
Jews during the time of the Third Reich.

Why don't you ask your Nazi heroes about why the children? Why not ask them how they conducted "anti-partisan" and "cleansing" operations - wiping out entire communities, people of all ages? Himmler explained it very well, have you forgotten?
I ask of you that that which I say to you in this circle be really only heard and not ever discussed. We were faced with the question: what about the women and children? – I decided to find a clear solution to this problem too. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men – in other words, to kill them or have them killed and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. The difficult decision had to be made to have this people disappear from the earth. For the organisation which had to execute this task, it was the most difficult which we had ever had. . . . I felt obliged to you, as the most superior dignitary, as the most superior dignitary of the party, this political order, this political instrument of the Führer, to also speak about this question quite openly and to say how it has been. The Jewish question in the countries that we occupy will be solved by the end of this year. Only remainders of odd Jews that managed to find hiding places will be left over.
been-there wrote:Shame on you.
You are hardly in the position to arbitrate about and dispense shame.
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Post by Cerdic » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:48 pm

That's a good question - why arrest a 6 year old child? Unless the Israeli police go around arresting people randomly, which would be very strange, there must have been some kind of reason. I don't know what it is, does this report provide any details?
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Post by Charles Traynor » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:16 pm

In the eyes of a bigoted racist like Cerdic Israel can do no wrong. :(
Cerdic wrote:That's a good question - why arrest a 6 year old child? Unless the Israeli police go around arresting people randomly, which would be very strange, there must have been some kind of reason. I don't know what it is, does this report provide any details?
The arrest and detention of children by the IDF isn’t limited to the odd terrified six year old as seen in been-there’s video. It is an ongoing official Israeli State policy.

"A study by the UN children's charity UNICEF found evidence of children being arrested at their homes in the middle of the night by heavily armed soldiers before being taken to detention facilities. They were then tied and blindfolded before being subject to violent interrogations in which they were coerced into signing confessions in Hebrew that they could not understand.
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Post by been-there » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:47 am

Charles Traynor wrote:In the eyes of a bigoted racist like Cerdic Israel can do no wrong. :(
Cerdic wrote:That's a good question - why arrest a 6 year old child? Unless the Israeli police go around arresting people randomly, which would be very strange, there must have been some kind of reason. I don't know what it is...
The arrest and detention of children by the IDF isn’t limited to the odd terrified six year old as seen in been-there’s video. It is an ongoing official Israeli State policy.
Cerdic says she doesn't know what the reason is. Hmmm?
As if this were a one-off occurence.

This has been going on for decades. Ask yourself why would a Jewish state that wants to be seen as a "democracy" need to drive out an Arab majority?

On Friday a four-year-old Palestinian boy was shot dead by a soldier - the most recent child victim of the Israeli army. Chris McGreal investigates a shocking series of deaths
Haneen, who was eight years old, had been shot twice in the head by an Israeli soldier as she walked down the street in Khan Yunis refugee camp with her mother, Lila Abu Selmi.

Britain's chief rabbi, Jonathan Sacks, recently praised the Israeli military as the most humanitarian in the world because it claims to risk its soldiers' lives to avoid killing innocent Palestinians.

[But] ...The numbers are staggering; one in five Palestinian dead is a child. The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) says at least 408 Palestinian children have been killed since the beginning of the intifada in September 2000. Nearly half were killed in the Gaza strip, and most of those died in two refugee camps in the south, Khan Yunis and Rafah. The PCHR says they were victims of "indiscriminate shooting, excessive force, a shoot-to-kill policy and the deliberate targeting of children".
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Post by been-there » Tue May 13, 2014 12:06 pm

http://rt.com/news/158556-israel-palest ... nfinement/
Israel is placing more and more Palestinian children in solitary confinement as part of the interrogation process, a new study reveals.
The children are often blindfolded, bound and sleep deprived.
Neither they nor parents know the reasons for arrest.
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Post by Blogbuster » Wed May 14, 2014 7:16 pm

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Post by ralphgordon » Thu May 15, 2014 1:36 am

Charles Traynor wrote:In the eyes of a bigoted racist like Cerdic Israel can do no wrong. :(
Cerdic wrote:That's a good question - why arrest a 6 year old child? Unless the Israeli police go around arresting people randomly, which would be very strange, there must have been some kind of reason. I don't know what it is, does this report provide any details?
The arrest and detention of children by the IDF isn’t limited to the odd terrified six year old as seen in been-there’s video. It is an ongoing official Israeli State policy.

"A study by the UN children's charity UNICEF found evidence of children being arrested at their homes in the middle of the night by heavily armed soldiers before being taken to detention facilities. They were then tied and blindfolded before being subject to violent interrogations in which they were coerced into signing confessions in Hebrew that they could not understand.
http://www.rense.com/general86/zelephant.htm

That is an interesting link above, which would generally be regarded as somewhat eccentric, but at least it is not the political propaganda which is characteristic of avowed revisionists like "been-there" and "Traynor", which is not qualitatively different from the anti-Zionist propaganda of the Far Leftists -- certainly the Zionists are essentially Far Rightists, and they are just going to act like stereotypical neo-nazis (isn't it all somewhat disingenuous on the part of our avowed revisionists to be criticizing the Zionists, since surely it is quite obvious where they stand on the political spectrum!); thus, are our avowed revisionists really conscious that they are objectively advancing a Leftist cause, by attacking the Rightist Zionists, whereas, like the link above, it would be appropriate to just point out what the facts of the Zionist situation are. As an anarcho-nihilist myself, I would be radically indifferent to the political situation concerning Israel and the Zionists, although doing what is necessary to point out the objective situation; moreover, speaking from purely an emotional perspective, is it really a good thing that the essentially white European Jews are ousted from the Middle East by the coloured Arabs, which is surely contradictory to the probable ideological perspective of our avowed revisionists?

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