Should "Hate" speech be decriminalised?

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Should "Hate" speech be decriminalised?

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p002vsn ... des/player
The above website is interesting if you click on to the "Newshour" for 16-07-12 in which there is a discussion of what is considered Hate speech, and moves to legalise it, which usually applies to the "denier" perspective on the "Holocaust". Certainly in Australia there was the case of Fredrick Toben who was jailed on the basis that disputing the reality of the "Holocaust" was considered Jewish vilification, http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/, although I am inclined to think that Toben is somewhat too anti-semitic for his own good; but that is no reason for censorship, as I think that the overall role of the Jews in society in the past and present is a worthwhile subject of inquiry.
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Ralph, I haven’t had time to listen to the Newshour discussion yet, but I have noticed over the years that these so-called “hate crime” and “hate speech" laws are rarely, if ever, used against non-Whites in countries where they already exist. I also don’t think it will come as much of a surprise to anyone here that Jews have always been the main protagonists behind moves to have this type of legislation introduced.

In defence of Dr. Töben (who I know very little about) I must ask in my role as devils advocate if he became “too anti-Semitic for his own good”, before or after, Jews in Australia had begun persecuting him for daring to speak out against the holocaust myth?
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Charles Traynor wrote:Ralph, I haven’t had time to listen to the Newshour discussion yet, but I have noticed over the years that these so-called “hate crime” and “hate speech" laws are rarely, if ever, used against non-Whites in countries where they already exist. I also don’t think it will come as much of a surprise to anyone here that Jews have always been the main protagonists behind moves to have this type of legislation introduced.

In defence of Dr. Töben (who I know very little about) I must ask in my role as devils advocate if he became “too anti-Semitic for his own good”, before or after, Jews in Australia had begun persecuting him for daring to speak out against the holocaust myth?
I do hope that you listen to the broadcast I mentioned because I was quite surprised by it, coming from from the BBC, in that someone was advocating the liberalisation of supposedly racist speech -- perhaps someone is just bowingto the inevitable. In my own case Iam no more racist than I am sexist or classist, in that one can't rationally avoid being somewhat sexist or classist, so that one cannot avoid being somewhat racist at times; however, that is a complex subject, and I will only expand on that if I am asked to.

I think perhaps that those who seek to censor free speech in regard to the realities of race and other politically incorrect matters would say that socially dominant whites don't have to worry about the social consequences of "Hate" speech, and that the whites should just disregard a double standard in regard to non-whites and Jews -- which I don't. As far as this double standard in regard to "Hate" speech is concerned it is indeed a double edged sword as far as these non-whites and Jews are concerned in relation to white racial nationalism, for instance.

As far as Fredrick Toben is concerned I know from his output that he is a National Socialist, and, as such, he would be always inherently anti-semitic (assuming he is a Mein Kampf literalist) -- which I am not, being an anarcho-nihilist (which means that I am radically indifferent to neo-nazis) -- and, so, when it comes to publicly commenting about the "Holocaust" he is just asking for legal trouble (in relation to the laws regarding social discrimination) if he does within an anti-semitic context, whereas, no matter what I think about Jews, I would be inclined to try to be as socially subtle as possible, and make use of what are social codes, e.g. by reference to the ethnic cleansing of the Arabs in Palestine bythe Jewish Zionists.

http://www.amazon.com/Rising-Color-Agai ... p+stobbard
I am in the process of reading the above book, which I would strongly recommend. It was first published in 1920, and it is not National Socialist propaganda, and is a rational presentation of an objective account of the race question. I might try to say something more about it later when I am finished.
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ralphgordon, thanks for the interesting link. The gentleman from Canada BC, was very happy with the discredit
Canadian Human Rights Commission, so no change in sight there. Direct link to the broadcast is http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/p00vc0gz and the interview is between 0:30:40 - 0:37:35
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Hello John, welcome to the forum. No homosexual politician would ever vote to repeal a law which makes it possible for him to sodomise schoolboys. Therefore, I was not surprised to learn Randal Garrison was a homosexual at the end of that interview.

The Jews understand they are safer within a society where they are allied with a wide range of other minority groups. Thus the recent spate of hate crime/speech laws we have seen introduced in the West. These laws also help to camouflage the Jews subversive activities to a certain extent.

The degenerate and criminal behaviour of recently empowered freaks, sexual perverts, and ethnic minorities always hogs the limelight in the Jewish controlled news media. This in turn draws the attention and wrath of the indigenous population away from the activities of the real culprits who seek to destroy their society.

Below is a typical example of the type of thing which invariably happens when Judeo-Bolsheviks, homosexuals, and Negroes are running the show. Back in the 1980s disgruntled parents were thrown out of the Haringey council chamber for the heinous crime of not wanting their five year olds to be taught how to masturbate and idolize the homosexual lifestyle. Today in Britain they would probably also have been arrested and charged with one or more hate crimes.

This whole video is very enlightening but I have only been referring to the segment starting at 04:19 in this post:

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Charles Traynor wrote:Hello John, welcome to the forum. No homosexual politician would ever vote to repeal a law which makes it possible for him to sodomise schoolboys. Therefore, I was not surprised to learn Randal Garrison was a homosexual at the end of that interview.

The Jews understand they are safer within a society where they are allied with a wide range of other minority groups. Thus the recent spate of hate crime/speech laws we have seen introduced in the West. These laws also help to camouflage the Jews subversive activities to a certain extent.

The degenerate and criminal behaviour of recently empowered freaks, sexual perverts, and ethnic minorities always hogs the limelight in the Jewish controlled news media. This in turn draws the attention and wrath of the indigenous population away from the activities of the real culprits who seek to destroy their society.

Below is a typical example of the type of thing which invariably happens when Judeo-Bolsheviks, homosexuals, and Negroes are running the show. Back in the 1980s disgruntled parents were thrown out of the Haringey council chamber for the heinous crime of not wanting their five year olds to be taught how to masturbate and idolize the homosexual lifestyle. Today in Britain they would probably also have been arrested and charged with one or more hate crimes.

This whole video is very enlightening but I have only been referring to the segment starting at 04:19 in this post:
In view of your comments above concerning homosexuals I would draw your attention to the following: http://www.amazon.com/The-Pink-Swastika ... 0964760975 This my Amazon review of it: http://www.amazon.com/review/R3OTBU3FHLNQPC

I don't know if you would call yourself a National Socialist, Charles, about which I would be quite comfortable; but you do seem to be very right-wing in your apparent opposition to homosexuality. I would not be opposed to male homosexuality except in terms of their susceptibility to AIDS which could affect the health status of non-homosexuality members of society; however, perhaps from a neo-nazi perspective, AIDS would be a good thing, because intelligent white folks would have the intelligence to take precautions, whereas, assuming non-white folks would not have the innate intelligence to control their carnal desires, it could be a good means of necessary fatal ethnic cleansing by white folks of non-white folks!



Also, I would draw your attention to the above youtube video about a "racist" South African homosexual. Perhaps as a result of this you would won't so dogmatically opposed to homosexuality -- since it has been around since the start of human time, and not all heterosexuality is about actual species reproduction!
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rlphgrd:
I would say that the person who wrote this book is basically a liar, and is indeed someone who would go to any length to disparage homosexuals, and it is his purpose in writing this book to associate "Gays" with the Hitlerite Nazis, who, in popular consciousness are probably the most hated group in modern history (this is mostly in regard to the alleged Jewish "Holocaust", about which I am agnostic, and I have got many good books on the subject through Amazon written by so-called "deniers", as they can't be ordered through bookshops). Although I think it is a good book to read because it does give a good deal of information about the Nazis (and it is a good example of poliical polemics), it is just total nonsense in many respects as there is no evidence that Hitler and other leading Nazis were definitely homosexuals,and much to the contrary (indeed what homosexuals there were, were purged in The Night of the Long Knives), as I know from studying the political context in which the "Holocaust" was supposed to have occurred. It was, of course, that in Nazi Germany, as in all nations at the time, that homosexuality was a criminal offence, and the "gays" were indeed made to wear pink triangles in the concentration camps; but there is no evidence that they were meant to be exterminated (because even the Nazis would not have been so stupid!) in gas chambers and through slave labour, but were just treated like ordinary criminals. It is certainly an amusing book in the sense that the author will grasp at any straw to make out that someone like Heinrich Himmler was a homosexual! I in fact sent an email to David Irving about it, who replied that it was just "absolute rubbish".
Thanks for the heads up on that book Ralph. I looked at a few of the other reviews and it appears the author is not completely honest in his use of source material. The notion that the Führer and Reichsführer-SS were homosexuals is completely ridiculous.

I remember the subject of homosexuality cropping up on the now defunct revisionist workshop forum. Back then I showed that homosexuals were usually sent to normal prisons rather than concentration camps, and that the National Socialists did not persecute homosexuals as the exterminationists would have us believe. To become imprisoned during the Third Reich a homosexual would have had to become complacent in his activities and bring himself to the attention of the authorities, or get caught engaging in some other type of illegal actions.


ralphgordon wrote:I don't know if you would call yourself a National Socialist, Charles, about which I would be quite comfortable; but you do seem to be very right-wing in your apparent opposition to homosexuality.
Ralph, our ancestors killed homosexuals for a reason. Back when life was not as comfortable as it is now people understood homosexuality was an abnormality that needed to be removed from the gene pool.

There is nothing virtuous or pleasant about homosexuality; in fact it is a way of life most rational people find completely repulsive. It is also a well known fact that homosexuals are reservoirs of deadly diseases. Having said that, I do not consider myself to be a homophobe, I understand some people are simply born that way and there is nothing they can do about their sexual orientation. I do, however, believe constraints need to be placed on homosexuals (killing them is probably going a bit too far) for the good of society as a whole. In Britain before Tony Blair became PM homosexual activity was frowned upon and was only allowed to be engaged in by individuals of 21 years of age or older (behind closed doors). I think this was a perfectly reasonable compromise in protecting society and allowing homosexuals to do what they do.

My views on this subject will probably upset some individuals but I have no intention of changing the principles by which I have lived my life just because the Jews are currently promoting homosexuality as some type of ideal alternate lifestyle.
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ralphgordon wrote:I don't know if you would call yourself a National Socialist, Charles, about which I would be quite comfortable; but you do seem to be very right-wing in your apparent opposition to homosexuality.
Ralph, our ancestors killed homosexuals for a reason. Back when life was not as comfortable as it is now people understood homosexuality was an abnormality that needed to be removed from the gene pool.

There is nothing virtuous or pleasant about homosexuality; in fact it is a way of life most rational people find completely repulsive. It is also a well known fact that homosexuals are reservoirs of deadly diseases. Having said that, I do not consider myself to be a homophobe, I understand some people are simply born that way and there is nothing they can do about their sexual orientation. I do, however, believe constraints need to be placed on homosexuals (killing them is probably going a bit too far) for the good of society as a whole. In Britain before Tony Blair became PM homosexual activity was frowned upon and was only allowed to be engaged in by individuals of 21 years of age or older (behind closed doors). I think this was a perfectly reasonable compromise in protecting society and allowing homosexuals to do what they do.

My views on this subject will probably upset some individuals but I have no intention of changing the principles by which I have lived my life just because the Jews are currently promoting homosexuality as some type of ideal alternate lifestyle.[/quote]

There is a general balls-up with quotations here!

I am afraid that I cannot agree with your sentiments above, although I would not think it actually matters whether people would generally regard you as a homophobe, though I think that most would. It is certainly the case that male homosexuality (disregarding the question of lesbianism, since all they do is engage in mutual mastrubation!) is the cause of AIDS, and, although I would not advocate such -- since, in the West, at least, homosexuals are generally only a danger to themselves -- but I would not be surprised that homosexuality will be recriminalised in the near future, although it is probably the case that the powers-to-be would probably think that it was best to let the "queers" get on with it of committing suicide! Also I would not be inclined to agree that generally homosexuals are born, except in the case of some hermaphrodites. As regards the question of AIDS, Charles, I wonder if you are aware of the debate concerning whether or not the HIV virus actually causes AIDS, which is depicted here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158012 I think that is a very interesting debate, since if it is not actually the HIV virus that causes AIDS that would imply that it is the actual homosexual lifestyle that causes AIDS, and so would be ammunition for the "homophrobes", although it is a very technical subject, and I have enough trouble keeping up with the "Holocaust" debate. Another website dealing with this, although a bit dated is http://www.duesberg.com/papers/ch2.html but there are more recent websites if you want to look for them.

Thus, I would think that even in terms of your probable right-wing perspective that homosexuality is really a second-order problem and that there are many more important issues, such as in regard to racialism, so if a person has the same political perspective as yourself there is really no reason to reject the person just because they are homosexual. It could be said, I think, that everyone is latently bisexual, as is demonstrated by prison inmates, since everybody desires sexual gratification at some stage (although, personally, I aspire to be asexual, so I can get on with more important matters!), and, if there are particular social obstacles to one being a conventional heterosexual, then it is quite likely that one will be a homosexual.
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ralphgordon wrote:
Thus, I would think that even in terms of your probable right-wing perspective that homosexuality is really a second-order problem and that there are many more important issues, such as in regard to racialism, so if a person has the same political perspective as yourself there is really no reason to reject the person just because they are homosexual.
If homos have respect for their race and the society they live in I see no urgent need to remove them from that society. Militant queers on the other hand need to be dealt with quickly and severely for the good of everyone.
ralphgordon wrote:It could be said, I think, that everyone is latently bisexual, as is demonstrated by prison inmates,
Anyone can be latently anything. In my early years I spent a lot of time cooped up with other guys in conditions that make Western prisons look like 5 star hotels and none of us felt the urge to bum each other. Most prison inmates do not represent humanity as a whole. These vile individuals are the scum of the earth and the majority of them are either mentally retarded or suffering from some form of drug addiction or mental illness.
ralphgordon wrote:I aspire to be asexual
Good for you, Ralph.
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ralphgordon wrote:I aspire to be asexual
Good for you, Ralph.[/quote]

Somehow, Nicole Kidman ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/0 ... 29865.html) has found out about this -- we are both Australians -- and has determined to frustrate my asexual aspirations! More seriously, I certainly don"t have any time for homosexuality; however, I also do not have any time for the present Olympics (it is really screwing up my digital radio use) but millions, if not billions, seem to care about it -- and homosexuality, like organised sport, is just a fact of life, unfortunately!
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