The US of A and its own holocaust crimes around the world

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Re: The US of A and its own holocaust crimes around the world

Post by been-there » Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:24 pm

been-there wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:00 pm
onetruth wrote:
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Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:36 pm
E.g. If Sophie Scholl had been British and had done the exact same thing in Britain against the British government and their war-effort during war-time what do you think the Brits would have done with her??
That's a genuine question. What is your guess?
BS , name one British objector to the war that was executed .
In contrast the Nazis executed or put in concentration camps all who dared criticised their oppressive and foul regime.
Sophie Scholl is just one example out of many
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Ah. So you won't even proffer a guess of what would have happened to her had she been British involved in the same secret anti-establishment, anti-war effort activity and sabotage.

How revealing.
This person with the moniker 'Onetruth' has again exposed that he has been indoctrinated and afflicted with a negative belief-system concerning WW2 history, which he holds to irrationally, emotionally and unintelligently.
As actually we can accurately surmise precisely what would have happened if Sophie Scholls had been British and been involved in the exact same treacherous activity against Britain. She would have been arested, probably tortured at the London Cage to reveal any co-conspirators, then she would have been imprisoned pending a brief trial followed by execution by hanging.
We just have to compare with what happened to John Amery who was executed by the British for a lesser 'crime'. Amery's actions were not attempting to sabotage the British war-efforts, nor did he secretly conspire to undermine the British war-time government. PLUS he was executed in peace time. I.e. the war was over so he posed no risk. Plus he sought to pursuade British people to his own viewpoint totally openly and without any subterfuge nor concealment of his identity. Finally, he had renounced his British citizenship and applied for Spanish citizenship when he commited his 'crime' so could not be tried nor executed for treason. The same applies for William Joyce who was executed for a similar act of so-called treason against Britain, despite him having American citizenship.

When Churchill entered Downing Street on 10th May that year, he rather delusionally believed that the Germans’ rapid victories across Norway and western Europe could not be attributed solely to superior weaponry, tactics and fighting spirit. He instead imagined that there must have been traitors/fifth columnists at work behind the French lines. He was also convinced that fifth columnists must be at work in Britain, and wanted them rooted out and destroyed. On being told that any British nationals among them could be prosecuted for treason, but that foreigners probably could not, the new prime minister demanded a new law – immediately. On the 23rd May 1940 the Treachery Act was passed, which outlawed conduct “designed or likely to give assistance to the naval, military or air operations of the enemy”. It carried only one sentence: death.
Between 1940 and 1946, nineteen people were prosecuted under the new British Treachery Act and all of them were executed.

That few people know of this, and that none of them get stamps created with their pictures, nor social media campaign celebrating their bravery is ONLY because Britain came out on the winning side thanks to Russian and American involvement as their Allies.

SUMMARY AND CONCLUSION:
1. USA, British and Russian war-crimes don't count.
2. One truth is not able to extricate himself from his years of victor's-history conditioning, nor can think independently. I.e. he dutifly believes what he is taught to believe.
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Re: The US of A and its own holocaust crimes around the world

Post by onetruth » Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:01 pm

been-there wrote:
Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:24 pm

As actually we can accurately surmise precisely what would have happened if Sophie Scholls had been British and been involved in the exact same treacherous activity against Britain. She would have been arested, probably tortured at the London Cage to reveal any co-conspirators, then she would have been imprisoned pending a brief trial followed by execution by hanging.We just have to compare with what happened to John Amery who was executed by the British for a lesser 'crime'
That is bs comparison , John Amery actually worked for the germans at time of war , he was not some student handing pamphlets,


You can also check how many people did the americans executed for treason and you likely come out with non.

The point that been there tries to ignore is that you can not compare the situation of living in a democracy to those under a ruthless dictatorship as Nazi germany was.

The meaning of living under such a ruthless dictatorship was that you could be executed for any reason with or without trial , when ever the rulers wanted to get rid of you. They could do it by show trial to set an example and put fear into others , like it was in the Hans and Sophie Scholl case. Or you could be dragged in the middle of the night and be shot as it happened in the Night of the Long Knives where in a purge the Nazis murdered 85 people :

see here :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

The reality of living under Nazi dictatorship was that all opposition was immediately silenced - either by execution or by sending to a concentration camp while the rest would be silenced by fear.The first concentration camp Dachau was opened 22 March 1933 immediately after the Nazis took power and built to imprison any german opposition.

Yet many holocaust deniers like been there , try to glorify Nazi Germany , I wonder how would they have liked to live under such a dictatorship. Even more ridiculous is that those same deniers often whine about lack of freedom of speech , i wonder what sort of freedom of speech do they fantasize they would " enjoy " under the third reich.

F*ck tyranny

F*ck fascism

F*ck dictatorship


Hans and Sophie Scholl on an East German postage stamp in 1961

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Re: The US of A and its own holocaust crimes around the world

Post by been-there » Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:06 pm

onetruth wrote:
Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:01 pm
F*ck tyranny

F*ck fascism

F*ck dictatorship
Hmmm?
How about this variation of your worldview?

“****k ignorant idiots who stubbornly believe the bullshit they inherited without being able to think it through independently?”
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Post by been-there » Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:08 pm

Why do North Koreans hate us? One reason — they remember the Korean War.

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/03/why ... orean-war/

Excerpt:
How many Americans, for example, are aware of the fact that U.S. planes dropped on the Korean peninsula more bombs — 635,000 tons — and napalm — 32,557 tons — than during the entire Pacific campaign against the Japanese during World War II?

How many Americans know that “over a period of three years or so,” to quote Air Force Gen. Curtis LeMay, head of the Strategic Air Command during the Korean War, “we killed off … 20 percent of the population”?

Twenty. Percent. For a point of comparison, the Nazis exterminated 20 percent of Poland’s pre-World War II population. According to LeMay, “We went over there and fought the war and eventually burned down every town in North Korea.”

Every. Town. More than 3 million civilians are believed to have been killed in the fighting, the vast majority of them in the north.
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Post by been-there » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:59 pm

Anyone heard of this ex-CIA operative Kevin Shipp?

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Post by been-there » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:38 pm

Condolences and sympathy to all the victims and families of the Las Vegas shooting.
What a terrible tragedy. :(

But let's be honest about it.
It is NOT the biggest shooting massacre of innocent, unarmed people in America. That so many can believe that and main-stream news-outlets can try and tell the world that without anyone correcting them is sadly symptomatic of the American collective amnesia/denial of its fairly recent past.

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At first all firing was at close range; half the Indian men were killed or wounded before they had a chance to get off any shots. Some of the Indians grabbed rifles from the piles of confiscated weapons and opened fire on the soldiers. With no cover, and with many of the Indians unarmed, this lasted a few minutes at most. While the Indian warriors and soldiers were shooting at close range, other soldiers used the Hotchkiss machine p guns against the tipi camp full of women and children. It is believed that many of the soldiers were victims of friendly fire from their own Hotchkiss machine guns. The Indian women and children fled the camp, seeking shelter in a nearby ravine from the crossfire.

The officers had lost all control of their men. Some of the soldiers fanned out and finished off the wounded. Others leaped onto their horses and pursued the Indians (men, women, and children), in some cases for miles across the prairies. In less than an hour, at least 150 Lakota had been killed and 50 wounded. Historian Dee Brown, in Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, mentions an estimate of 300 of the original 350 having been killed...
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Post by Nessie » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:53 pm

They mean mass shooting, as defined by one person shooting four or more people. This is about tracking US gun violence by its citizens on each other;

http://www.shootingtracker.com/

"Methodology Changes.
A note that the data on shootingtracker.com will now comply with the standard Gun Violence Archive methodology on how mass shootings are counted.

Gun Violence Archive has always used the FBI derived definition:
FOUR or more shot and/or killed in a single event [incident], at the same general time and location, not including the shooter.

This difference is that we do not count the shooter among the victims when determining if a shooting reaches the threshold of Mass Shooting. It insures a clear separation between victims of a shooting and those who perpetrate the crime. GVA also does not parse the definition to exclude any type of gun violence such as gang shooting or domestic violence. The definition is purely numerical and reflects ALL shootings which reach that statistical threshold."
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Post by been-there » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:18 am

NOT Americas "deadliest shooting"

And in East St. Louis, in 1917, an estimated 100 African-Americans were killed in the East St. Louis race riots.
“100 Negroes Shot, Burned, Stabbed To Death In E. St. Louis Race War,” read a newspaper headline.

“Man-hunting Mobs Burn 60 Homes and Slay Fleeing Blacks by Bullet and Rope,” read another. News accounts said blacks were “roasted alive” and “shot down like rabbits” in a 48-hour period that would so severely ravage a city that it never recovered.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... ef8ba.html


And in Elaine, Arkansas in 1919 approx. 237 African-Americans were killed after a white deputy was killed during a meeting of ways to get more money from cotton crops.
America’s Forgotten Mass Lynching in Arkansas
In 1919, in the wake of World War I, black sharecroppers unionized in Arkansas, unleashing a wave of white vigilantism and mass murder that left 237 people dead.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... ef8ba.html
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