What are national socialism and fascism?

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Re: What are national socialism and fascism?

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These forms of government have been sitting close to the bottom of the "Dust Bin of History" for some time now.

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Re: What are national socialism and fascism?

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rollo the ganger wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:52 am
These forms of government have been sitting close to the bottom of the "Dust Bin of History" for some time now.

Plutocracy is Triumphant!!!
Probably true but does not assist the poster wanting to understand these forms of government. Most Socialist governments of the world now which have a labour party are in fact National Socialist as intended.


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Re: What are national socialism and fascism?

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Mark Caine wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:56 am
In the first video TIK explains the Fascist Third Way. I have not watched the Mussolini video yet.
I'm halfway through the first video and I'm finding it very interesting. As a Spaniard, I specially appreciate this view of Spanish history and the Spanish civil war. Thank you for sharing!

Huntinger wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:00 pm
Most Socialist governments of the world now which have a labour party are in fact National Socialist as intended.
Or are they? I wonder if they might actually be INTERnational socialists, for they generally don't seem to share (at least at first sight) Hitler's views on race and nation. The first video shared by Mark Caine suggests this is a crucial difference.

VFX wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:24 am
Alonso wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:46 am
What is this socialist capitalism about?
It is about forming a new form of economics without the people who have corrupted a system as they have done with many things.
Hmmm, thank you for your answer, but this is very vague and utopic. All political systems are vulnerable to corruption. What were the measures used (or devised) to prevent it?

VFX wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:24 am
other National Socialists who believed in Government Socialism were sidelined
I don't understand this. I thought Hitler and the NSDAP also believed in Government Socialism.

VFX wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:24 am
The other faction which still continues today are the Strasserists
What's the difference between national socialism and strasserism?

VFX wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:24 am
Pure Strasserists in exile from Hitlerism
Wikipedia says that "Otto Strasser went into exile in Czechoslovakia while Gregor Strasser was murdered in Germany on 30 June 1934 during the Night of the Long Knives". Is this true? According to David Irving Hitler opposed the events in the Night of the long knives.

VFX wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:24 am
The Sturmabteilung blundered along as we have always done in exile but believe we have a voice.
Are you a strasserist in exile? (Obviously this is a personal question, so feel free to ignore it if you don't want to share that kind of information).

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Alonso wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:50 pm
Are you a strasserist in exile? (Obviously this is a personal question, so feel free to ignore it if you don't want to share that kind of information).
I am Nationalsozialist as are the extended family we communicate with.

To be a true National Socialist in a profound sense means living an nationalsozialistischen lifestyle, not just to agree with ideas in an abstract manner, or to admire historical National Socialism from a distance.
One does not become a National Socialist. One only discovers, sooner or later, that one has always been one — that, by nature, one could not possibly be anything else. For this is not a mere political label; not an ‘opinion’ that one can accept or dismiss according to circumstances, but a faith, involving one’s whole being, physical and psychological, mental and spiritual: ‘not a new election cry, but a new conception of the world’ — a way of life
A person should act as Nationalsozialist if they are one in all aspects of life.


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Mark Caine wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:56 am
Why Franco & Spain stayed out of WW2 | TIK Q&A 28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d7Kcf_pPiM
This video is so interesting, full of new approaches to the Spanish civil war. There is one passage in particular that has grabbed my attention: "[Hitler said] Franco [was] in the pocket of the church, and [that was] wrong, he shouldn't be doing that. [He says] he wouldn't have stopped the revolution in Spain, he wouldn't have supported Franco and he would have allowed the marxist revolution in Spain to continue if he had known what Franco was going to be like after the war".

Is this true? Do we have quotes from Hitler in this sense?

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I don't recall where I read it but Hitler said he hated "haggling" with Franco to cooperate with him on doing anything. I believe Franco did agree to send a contingent of troops to fight in the Soviet Union.

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I thought Alonso would have responded by now.


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Re: What are national socialism and fascism?

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Huntinger wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:50 pm
I thought Alonso would have responded by now.
I'm not sure of what I'm expected to respond to. Yeah, Franco did send a contingent of troops to fight in the Soviet Union, that's no secret. The question is whether he did it because he shared Hitler's ideas or for other reasons. According to the author of one of the videos they didn't share ideas, the reasons were other. But without specific data or quotations this is just speculation. Same about the idea that Hitler hated haggling with Franco.

Regarding how you live nationalsocialism, thank you for sharing, please tell us more. You might also like to share your thoughts on this:
Alonso wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:09 am
Huntinger wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:55 pm
The early workers party had 25 points which was adopted by its successor.
Some of these points sound great, but others sound dreadful, actually quite close to what is commonly depicted in antinazi propaganda.
Huntinger wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:55 pm
We demand land and territory (colonies) for the sustenance of our people and colonization for our surplus population.
If I'm getting it right this is a demand for colonial slavery. I'm aware that that was the practice of many European nations at the time (including mine), but that doesn't make it any less dreadful.
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Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:55 pm
Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood.
It looks like this point and all the other points based on this one mean the mistreatment and discrimination of non nationals. If your country and mine follow these policies, it means that I will be mistreated when I go to your country, and you will be mistreated when you come to mine.

I'm aware that these policies were proposed in the context of the de facto slavery of Germans created by the treaty of Versailles, and with the purpose of finishing that horrible situation. But the way they are expressed they seem to be bound to replace the horrors of Versailles with something equally horrible.

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Alonso wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:50 am
Regarding how you live nationalsocialism, thank you for sharing, please tell us more. You might also like to share your thoughts on this.
Nationalsozialismus is more than a political alternative. In many aspects it involves the best of all political parties, most of all it is in tune with nature and very much green. It perceives man and nature as being one, a part of the cosmos. In this aspect it is spiritual in an atheistic sense.
Of course in commerce and war there are practical realities where human emotions and mistakes are made. There is huge tolerance for other ethnic groups. It is sad that in the 1930, International Zionists forced the Reich to intern all Juden as potential 5th columnists; it is now known that the Ashkenazim jude are in fact Khazars, many of whom wish to return to their real homeland in the Crimea; they were duped by the Zionists.

A link was given to the Nationalsozialist philosopher Savitri Devi but you can read her works on the link. There is also a thread in "Memory Hole" which has various videos relating to history and the beauty of Nationalsozialismus.
Many of the videos and content have been censored and deleted by juden, regarded as inappropriate or "hate speech" which they are not, but merely movies taken at the time of the Reich showing a beautiful world different to that depicted by der Juden.
Das ist Nationalsozialismus

Nationalsozialismus is the exact opposite to how it is depicted.


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Re: What are national socialism and fascism?

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Huntinger wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:51 pm
There is huge tolerance for other ethnic groups.
This seems at odds with the demand of the workers party for "land and territory (colonies) for the sustenance of our people and colonization for our surplus population". Taking the land of other people is not being tolerant with their ethnic group.

Huntinger wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:51 pm
it is now known that the Ashkenazim jude are in fact Khazars, many of whom wish to return to their real homeland in the Crimea; they were duped by the Zionists.
It baffles me how you seem to attack Jewish people as a whole, but at the same time you acknowledge that they are very different and many of them don't share the Zionist mindset or even oppose it. Wouldn't it make more sense to attack the Zionists, rather than the Jews?

Huntinger wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:51 pm
A link was given to the Nationalsozialist philosopher Savitri Devi but you can read her works on the link.
Yep, I did read that when you first posted it, but I can't really say much more than what I said back then:
Alonso wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:55 am
Regarding the text of Savitiri Devi, while interesting, it doesn't look like it explains much about what nationalsocialism actually is or how it works. The 25 points you presented earlier seem much more informative (and dreadful).
Huntinger wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:51 pm
There is also a thread in "Memory Hole" which has various videos relating to history and the beauty of Nationalsozialismus.
Many of the videos and content have been censored and deleted by juden, regarded as inappropriate or "hate speech" which they are not, but merely movies taken at the time of the Reich showing a beautiful world different to that depicted by der Juden.
Das ist Nationalsozialismus
That's a very long thread, it currently has 167 posts and not all of them are relevant for this topic. Could you be more specific (maybe point me to specific posts in that thread)?

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