Das ist Nationalsozialismus

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Das ist Nationalsozialismus

Post by Huntinger » Sat Nov 03, 2018 4:51 am

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Re: Das ist Nationalsozialismus

Post by Balsamo » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:24 pm

NSDAP wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:36 pm

𝕹𝖆𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓𝖆𝖑𝖘𝖔𝖟𝖎𝖆𝖑𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖈𝖍𝖊 𝕯𝖊𝖚𝖙𝖘𝖈𝖍𝖊 𝕬𝖗𝖇𝖊𝖎𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖕𝖆𝖗𝖙𝖊𝖎
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Wenn wir die Fahne nicht mehr halten können, haben wir sie aus dem Nichts gerissen, du meine Söhne und Töchter müssen sie fest in deiner Faust festhalten

Когда мы больше не можем держать флаг, который мы разорвали из ничего, вы, мои сыновья и дочери, должны крепко сжать его в кулак

When we can no longer hold the flag we tore from nothing, you my sons and daughters must clench it firmly within your fist
Dies ist ein Video von der Nationalsozialistischen Deutschen Arbeiterpartei, wie es zu Beginn war. Ich bin mir nicht sicher, warum die Leute sich immer noch Sorgen um sie machen, vielleicht auch nicht, aber sie sind immer noch verboten. Wie auch immer, das ist zu deinem Vergnügen. ;)


Это видео из Национал-социалистической немецкой рабочей партии, как это было на момент его создания. Не уверен, почему люди все еще беспокоятся о них, возможно, это не так, но они все еще запрещены. В любом случае, это для вашего удовольствия. ;)

This is a video from the National Socialist German Workers Party as it was at its inception. Not sure why people are still worried about them, perhaps they are not, but they are still banned. Anyway this is for your enjoyment. ;)
Just a question to you, NSDAP...where do your picture yourself in this circus? As one of the speakers or as a member of the listening sheep?

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Re: Das ist Nationalsozialismus

Post by NSDAP » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:59 pm

Balsamo wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:24 pm
Just a question to you, NSDAP...where do your picture yourself in this circus? As one of the speakers or as a member of the listening sheep?
It is no circus.

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Re: Das ist Nationalsozialismus

Post by Balsamo » Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:40 pm

Of course, not...silly me!
You did not answer the question, though?
I will use your language then: Where do you picture yourself in "die Organisation"? As one who indoctrinates or as one who is brainwashed? One of those who used to party at the Adlon Palace, eventually committing suicide, for those who could not flee to South America or Spain, when the party was over or would you have been among the one in six (of every good looking blond heads shown in your videos) who would got slaughtered because of this madness?

Or less dramatic, did you picture yourself at Berchtesgaden enjoying the view flirting with Gretl Braun or defending the "national socialist" values with a shovel building the motorways for 10 hours a day?

Do you see yourself giving orders or obeying them?

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Re: Das ist Nationalsozialismus

Post by Trolljegeren » Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:24 pm

Balsamo wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:40 pm
Do you see yourself giving orders or obeying them?
I think I can answer. Quick rundown. Good National Socialists were and still are willing to work hard for their country. Hard work is considered integral to the healthy mind and body: it was these values that were at the concept of the Labour Camps and their motto. People who use money to make money as a cultural trait were not honoured as much as those who respected hard labour.
Reichsarbeitsdienst was the Reich Labour Service or Nationalsozialistischer Arbeitsdienst or NSAD. From June 1935 onward, men aged between 18 and 25 had to serve six months before their military service. There is much more.
Members were part of the Nuremberg Rallies. Those values are still worthy today, though 10 hours building a motorway with a shovel when there is modern machinery is a little excessive. I have no issues building roads or even putting out cones or holding a stop go sign so long as we all have turns on the machinery.
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Re: Das ist Nationalsozialismus

Post by Balsamo » Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:38 pm

Thanks for the answer,
So i can count you in the "obeying order", right?

Note that my post was not meant as a critic toward manual works, but focused on how people favoring ultra hierarchic society were seeing their role in such a society.

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Re: Das ist Nationalsozialismus

Post by Trolljegeren » Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:57 pm

Balsamo wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:38 pm
Thanks for the answer,
So i can count you in the "obeying order", right?

Note that my post was not meant as a critic toward manual works, but focused on how people favoring ultra hierarchic society were seeing their role in such a society.
I may be wrong, but as it was explained to me, National Socialism is collaborate and collegial (sideways) not an ultra hierarchic society which is top down although someone has to act as a leader. The issue comes into the conflict between political agendas and military which is what you claim and has to be that way. I guess in war time situations the soldiers cannot constantly vote on the best way forward and democratic systems in the army or para military organizations flies out the door. In any organization which is top down, those who are respected the most have done the hard yards. The best generals are those who have been the "grunts" and taken shit, who know the work and the soldiers involved. The best managers are those who have worked as workers. Organizations that claim to protect the interests of the working class are collaborative with a flat structure. This is how modern National Socialism works at least I think. I am sure to be corrected if this is not the case.

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Re: Das ist Nationalsozialismus

Post by Balsamo » Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:51 pm

Trolljegeren:
National Socialism is collaborate and collegial (sideways) not an ultra hierarchic society which is top down although someone has to act as a leader.
Well i was referring to the National Socialism as described in the many videos posted by NSDAP, all centered around Hitler, that is the one i have studied, and i failed to see its collaborate and "collegial" character so far. You surely know about the Fuhrerprinzip, You might have heard Hess describing the new reality " Die Partei ist Hitler, Hitler aber ist Deutschland..." which is about as far as the regime was understanding collaboration. Ask Gregor Strasser.
Under the Fuhrerprinzip, there is always a boss and those under him have the duty to obey, all the way up to the Fuhrer himself.

Now i don't know what kind of National socialism you are talking about, but if you mean your personal conception of a Nazi Regime then you see yourself as a Fuhrer, in all other cases, it does not depend on you and you will have to take what's on the table...and shut up if the proposition does not fit your personal conception.

NSDAP wrote once that Hitler was not "the best Fuhrer", all right, but then what were the dispositions planned by the National Socialist Regime to remedy this situation? Was there any?
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Re: Das ist Nationalsozialismus

Post by Duke Umeroffen » Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:58 pm

Fuhrer of a sockpuppet army, more like Balsamo.
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Re: Das ist Nationalsozialismus

Post by Balsamo » Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:08 pm

Duke Umeroffen wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:58 pm
Fuhrer of a sockpuppet army, more like Balsamo.
Euh...What? Am i supposed to have a sockpuppet army?
Actually i am sincerely trying to take advantage of the opportunity to ask a real Nazi like NSDAP how he would see his role in such a totalitarian society. I really wonder why would anyone surrender his fundamental freedoms and his very existence in the hand of a political guru of any kind.
All the videos posted by NSDAP showed only one thing: One leader, a bunch of privileged courtiers, and a crowed marching in line in complete submission.

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