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This is the only forum where people of opposing views to debate each other with minimal moderation. It is amazing how few dare to do that.
In that respect, CODOH is so small!
Small minded it would seem.
Liar Nessie blasted to smithereens at CODOH below.
Nessie's' SIX 'proofs' of the 'holocaust' storyline
the usual big bluff / True Believer 'Nessie' pleads his case, but without proof / + Sobibor, Treblinka
Sobibor Jew corpses claimed here, so why don't they excavate, verify, & show the world? !!!
Shipped to the East: the evidence is in the MSM
"eyewitness" Yankel Wiernik at Treblinka
Debate extracts with Nessie over Auschwitz crematoria
The use of logical fallacies / Nessie craps out
The Big Excuse: 'excavation & exhumation of Jews forbidden'
Roberto Muehlenkamp & 'Holocaust' Industry cite incinerator patent application as proof of impossible cremation numbers
Burden of proof: The fables of Russell's Teapot and Blobel's vanished graves
Only done with heavy censorship and multiple rule breaches by others, in particular Hannover and posting off topic and more than one point per post. The cowards at CODOH are afraid to come out from behind the censorship and engage in free and open debate, where, just like the deniers here, requests they evidence their beliefs are greeted with crying and dribbling.
It both recognises witnesses are unreliable and then treats what they said as if that is exactly what happened. So, if one witness stated blood burned, he is, at the same time treated as if he was accurate about blood really burning and then inaccurate and he lied.
Another example is a witness who said the gas chamber was hermetically sealed. He is regarded as 100% accurate and that the gas chambers were a perfect seal. The claim is then made that 100% seal renders the gassing process impossible, therefore the witness lied. The witness is accurate and liar at the same time.
That many more witnesses saw the same pyres, but did not claim blood burned or the same gas chamber, but made no claim about a hermetic seal, is ignored. They also lied, apparently?!
The reality, which is based on years of study of witnesses, is that they make mistakes, use hyperbole and lie about one thing, but that does not mean everything they say can be dismissed. What should happen is witness evidence should be corroborated to check it. If there is corroborative evidence, then any mistake, hyperbole and some lies can be ignored. The main part of what the witness said is true.
Examples of corroboration are -
- witnesses say the kremas at Birkenau could not cope with the number of cremations, so more cremations took place outside. That is corroborated by photos. We have limited photos, with little detail, so we still do not know exactly how the pyres were made and how many bodies were burned. But we do know it happened.
- witnesses say the mass graves at the AR camps were disinterred and the corpses cremated. Studies have found large areas of cremated remains and no mass graves of corpses at those camps. We now know what the witnesses said is true.
- witnesses say there were large numbers arriving at the AR camps and few left. Documents have been traced showing large numbers of arrivals, but none show large numbers of departures. Large numbers of people went missing inside small camps.
- witnesses say there was an attempt to hide what had been done, by destroying as best as could be done, the buildings used for gassing. Archaeological work at the AR camps has found the remains of buried buildings. The gas chambers at Birkenau had either been altered to make an air raid shelter, or were blown up. Some gas chambers were left, but they were part of a euthanasia policy, which is not a mass murder policy.
Whilst witnesses disagree on the how, or give limited detail (often the fault of those who asked for information at the time, they did not asked for much detail), they ALL agree there was mass gassing and cremations. They are corroborated.
The issue Nessie is people were murdered there is no witnesses: dead people do not tell tales. If the SS did such deeds which were known about for reality by the inmates then they are totally incompetent: there would have been a total riot if that information got out in the main camp. I am thinking of Auschwitz here. I suspect that the corroboration is after the fact and cannot be used as evidence.
The witnesses are surviving Sonderkommados and Nazis who saw the gassings.NSDAP wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:49 amThe issue Nessie is people were murdered there is no witnesses: dead people do not tell tales.
The British POW Arthur Dodd spoke of rumours of gassing, which were suspected to be a way to scare the inmates into compliance. That is one way the Nazis managed to control the camp.If the SS did such deeds which were known about for reality by the inmates then they are totally incompetent: there would have been a total riot if that information got out in the main camp. I am thinking of Auschwitz here.
Eh? Please explain.I suspect that the corroboration is after the fact and cannot be used as evidence.
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