What are national socialism and fascism?

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Re: What are national socialism and fascism?

Post by rollo the ganger » Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:52 am

These forms of government have been sitting close to the bottom of the "Dust Bin of History" for some time now.

Plutocracy is Triumphant!!!

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Re: What are national socialism and fascism?

Post by Huntinger » Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:00 pm

rollo the ganger wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:52 am
These forms of government have been sitting close to the bottom of the "Dust Bin of History" for some time now.

Plutocracy is Triumphant!!!
Probably true but does not assist the poster wanting to understand these forms of government. Most Socialist governments of the world now which have a labour party are in fact National Socialist as intended.
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Re: What are national socialism and fascism?

Post by Alonso » Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:48 pm

Mark Caine wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:56 am
In the first video TIK explains the Fascist Third Way. I have not watched the Mussolini video yet.
I'm halfway through the first video and I'm finding it very interesting. As a Spaniard, I specially appreciate this view of Spanish history and the Spanish civil war. Thank you for sharing!

Huntinger wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:00 pm
Most Socialist governments of the world now which have a labour party are in fact National Socialist as intended.
Or are they? I wonder if they might actually be INTERnational socialists, for they generally don't seem to share (at least at first sight) Hitler's views on race and nation. The first video shared by Mark Caine suggests this is a crucial difference.

VFX wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:24 am
Alonso wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:46 am
What is this socialist capitalism about?
It is about forming a new form of economics without the people who have corrupted a system as they have done with many things.
Hmmm, thank you for your answer, but this is very vague and utopic. All political systems are vulnerable to corruption. What were the measures used (or devised) to prevent it?

VFX wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:24 am
other National Socialists who believed in Government Socialism were sidelined
I don't understand this. I thought Hitler and the NSDAP also believed in Government Socialism.

VFX wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:24 am
The other faction which still continues today are the Strasserists
What's the difference between national socialism and strasserism?

VFX wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:24 am
Pure Strasserists in exile from Hitlerism
Wikipedia says that "Otto Strasser went into exile in Czechoslovakia while Gregor Strasser was murdered in Germany on 30 June 1934 during the Night of the Long Knives". Is this true? According to David Irving Hitler opposed the events in the Night of the long knives.

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Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:24 am
The Sturmabteilung blundered along as we have always done in exile but believe we have a voice.
Are you a strasserist in exile? (Obviously this is a personal question, so feel free to ignore it if you don't want to share that kind of information).

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Re: What are national socialism and fascism?

Post by Huntinger » Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:21 am

Alonso wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:50 pm
Are you a strasserist in exile? (Obviously this is a personal question, so feel free to ignore it if you don't want to share that kind of information).
I am Nationalsozialist as are the extended family we communicate with.

To be a true National Socialist in a profound sense means living an nationalsozialistischen lifestyle, not just to agree with ideas in an abstract manner, or to admire historical National Socialism from a distance.
One does not become a National Socialist. One only discovers, sooner or later, that one has always been one β€” that, by nature, one could not possibly be anything else. For this is not a mere political label; not an β€˜opinion’ that one can accept or dismiss according to circumstances, but a faith, involving one’s whole being, physical and psychological, mental and spiritual: β€˜not a new election cry, but a new conception of the world’ β€” a way of life
A person should act as Nationalsozialist if they are one in all aspects of life.
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Re: What are national socialism and fascism?

Post by Alonso » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:04 am

Mark Caine wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:56 am
Why Franco & Spain stayed out of WW2 | TIK Q&A 28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d7Kcf_pPiM
This video is so interesting, full of new approaches to the Spanish civil war. There is one passage in particular that has grabbed my attention: "[Hitler said] Franco [was] in the pocket of the church, and [that was] wrong, he shouldn't be doing that. [He says] he wouldn't have stopped the revolution in Spain, he wouldn't have supported Franco and he would have allowed the marxist revolution in Spain to continue if he had known what Franco was going to be like after the war".

Is this true? Do we have quotes from Hitler in this sense?

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Re: What are national socialism and fascism?

Post by rollo the ganger » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:46 am

I don't recall where I read it but Hitler said he hated "haggling" with Franco to cooperate with him on doing anything. I believe Franco did agree to send a contingent of troops to fight in the Soviet Union.

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