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Re: Katyn

Post by Goody67 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:39 pm

VFX wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:32 pm
It seems he was saying there was little intelligence there to insult... just sayin. Been There also hinted at this as well as Werd.
This may be so but I could not possibly comment.
Are you kidding me? Clearly you have poor comprehension, he posted, "your very limited perceptions and knowledge".

By the way, the use of ad hominems is a common tactic used by deniers.

Do you honestly think I care what deniers think about me? :roll: I hope you honestly don't believe that most people will think that deniers are intelligent people. :? People think such people are not the sharpest tools in the shed.
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Re: Katyn

Post by been-there » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:52 pm

Huntinger wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:57 pm
Goody67 wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:46 pm
Do you have any evidence to support whatever claim you are making?
It is a proposal open to discussion not a claim. As it is classified I doubt if the Intelligence authorities will pass that onto revisionists.
If these authorities and governments have been instrumental in the cover up of the murder of thousands and thousands of Polish intelligentsia and military personnel, it is highly likely they have been complicit in the cover-up of other alleged atrocities committed by the same people, not necessarily the alleged holocaust but the expatriation, repatriation of people including assimilation into the Motherland.
Well said, Huntinger.
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Re: Katyn

Post by VFX » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:59 pm

Goody67 wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:39 pm

Do you honestly think I care what deniers think about me?
Do you have any evidence for this, primary sources? If you do please post it somewhere else.
This thread is about another topic and not about Goody67.
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Post by Huntinger » Sun May 05, 2019 5:48 pm

Katyn was the catalyst for the holohoax

It is now a well known fact that the Soviet secret police shot 22 000 Polish Prisoners of War in the Katyn Forest. This happened after the Germans left the Polish Officers under the control of their new Soviet Masters after Nonaggression Pact of 1939 between the Reich and the Soviets.

It was noticed that these people were missing when the Polish general Władysław Anders was asked to form a new army to fight the Germans.

The graves were discovered and the Polish government-in-exile in London requested that the International Committee of the Red Cross examine the graves and also asked the Soviet government to provide official reports on the fates of the remaining missing prisoners. The Soviet government refused these demands, and on April 25, 1943, the Soviets broke diplomatic relations with the Polish government in London. The Soviets then set about establishing a Polish government-in-exile composed of Polish communists.

The Katyn Massacre left a deep scar in Polish-Soviet relations during the remainder of the war and afterward. For Poles, Katyn became a symbol of the many victims of Stalinism. Although a 1952 U.S. congressional inquiry concluded that the Soviet Union had been responsible for the massacre, Soviet leaders insisted for decades that the Polish officers found at Katyn had been killed by the invading Germans in 1941. This explanation was accepted without protest by successive Polish communist governments.

It was essential for the Soviets to blame the Germans. They went to great lengths to do this. The Soviet Union officially denied responsibility; a Soviet commission blamed the deaths on Nazi Germany during the Nuremberg Trials.

If the Poles had known about the Soviet implication the puppet government would not have been formed as seamlessly as it did; this would have been a diplomatic disaster of global proportions. The US knew but said nothing.

The Soviets had already blamed the Germans so there would be no better cover than to continue to blame by increasing the alleged German atrocities real or otherwise, hence the extermination camps, killing of babies, gassings and so on. As the Einsatz groups were real it would be a piece of cake to continue to blame the Reich.

The Katyn event was discounted at Nuremberg due to lack of evidence, though the Soviet Judges on the tribunal were also part of the extraordinary commission that conjured up the German blame; they were simply outvoted it would seem.

The Germans lost and being a loser is not a great state but with time the War was getting forgotten about, until Wiesenthal prompts the Israeli Government to kidnap Adolf Eichmann; it was Wiesenthal that coined the term Holocaust in the mindset of modern society. At that stage the Reich were still blamed for Katyn.

Eichmann was kidnapped by Mossad in Argentina on 11 May 1960. In the same year (960) a few months later onto the bandwagon jumps the Auschwitz Holocaust (((Survivor))) Wiesel A-7713 who publishes the book "Night". This as mentioned was written by Lazar Wiesel called A Vilag Hallgat. It would appear that Lazar Wiesel and Elie Wiesel may have met at Buchenwald. chronology is important especially when it comes to fraud and misrepresentation.

Simon Wiesenthal and Elie Wiesel appear not be be friends but it would appear that the two concocted the holohoax together. The link is Eichmann, a victim of jüdische Gier und Lügenkonkoten.

There is another thread on this topic; this should be read in conjunction Katyn Massacre Report REVISITED. Nessie of course did an immediate attempt to derail the thread by talking of AR camps.

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Re: Katyn

Post by Reviso » Mon May 06, 2019 10:41 am

It can be asked whether there were other cases where the Soviets blamed the Germans for their own crimes. One possible example :
Mass grave found in the site of the Brest ghetto

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