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It doesn't say much for either Mummy or Daddy Goebbels in my opinion. But then they both kind of epitomised the fanatical. The more I think about it the more I see this infanticide as a political Act and human sacrifice. I realise the Russians sealed off the city pretty quick but it takes a special kind of control freak to allow one's children to go down with the bad ship SS. Third Reich. The Eastern mystic Kahlil Gibran in the Prophet wrote, "your children are like golden arrows." It's a simple philosophy, you loose them off and you do not know where they will land. Mommy and Daddy knew exactly where their poor chavvies would land, up in the History books. I seriously believe they twisted their fate to their own evil purpose. Those kids did not have a chance staying in the bunker with that set of nutjobs and left to the tender mercies of the obliterative Stumpfegger.

Mr. Smith suggests that their fate could have been worse under the Russians. None of us can know, can we. Perhaps Magda was like some sort of crazy queen cat who ate her kittens in defiance. Above all, infanticide by the mother to me has a special sort of horror. Sure they were under extreme stress and this Thousand Year Reich malarkey had ended up in the blogbuzzard trash bin. I well realise too that agent paranoia was alive and well in those last days of the bunker but I also think that Daddy could have put some kind of contingency plan in operation beyond pissing their potential over an altar.

Really it's just another foul stain on the History of your "inspirational leaders" Any Right Wing nut job bristling with ammo, think about this before you follow the thanatic example set by the Goebbels if you think the chips are falling against your Aryan bollocks. Your children are like arrows. They are not political statements.

That is all.
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Magda was Goebbel's "birther cow". The perfect compliant woman to represent the National Socialist family image to the German Public while Joe went around screwing anything that spread its legs for him. Even Hitler scolded him for his shennanigans as not representing the National Socialist ideals. A modern day analogy would be Newt Gingrich who espoused the "Family Values" of the Republican Party and then handed divorce papers to his wife who was on her death bed with cancer.

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I can accept that analogy Rollo the Ganger. Josef was just far too fond of having his knob polished. Some guys cannot do monogamy. Whoever they are. Especially in power. Ditto for some ladies. I assume that the Mantavani must have just been falling all over him. Must have had to beat them off with a s****y stick. No exactly a handsome specimen though but obviously potent.
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rollo the ganger wrote:Magda was Goebbel's "birther cow". The perfect compliant woman to represent the National Socialist family image to the German Public while Joe went around screwing anything that spread its legs for him. Even Hitler scolded him for his shennanigans as not representing the National Socialist ideals. A modern day analogy would be Newt Gingrich who espoused the "Family Values" of the Republican Party and then handed divorce papers to his wife who was on her death bed with cancer.
Sounds like any other good Catholic. They both came from good Catholic backgrounds even if Goebbels was not exactly practicing the Faith.

The Church not only takes a strong stance against abortion but they don't believe in birth control. Period. It is like trying to neuter God. Monty Python parodied this quite brilliantly in their Meaning of Life which compared Ireland in a Malthusian way to the Third World. Practicing birth control would be "like trying to do it to God."

Recently good Catholic Liberal Democrats were outraged (I mean OUTRAGED) that Catholic employers were asked by the Obama administration implementing healthcare guidelines to provide birth control in their employer-sponsored health insurance plans, and I don't meant just for Catholics.

I'm not just talking about Republican hypocrites like Newtie, but pious Democrats were positively howling about this--and again, not talking about buggery or abortion here, even though the U.S. continues to lead the developed world, including Ireland, in unwanted pregnancies. But Planned Parenthood might as well be the RSHA.

In fact, Obama pissed off so many family-values Catholic Democrats that he had to redraw the lines completely and pick up some other cudgel like going after the National Rifle Association.

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Scott wrote:Sounds like any other good Catholic. They both came from good Catholic backgrounds even if Goebbels was not exactly practicing the Faith.

The Church not only takes a strong stance against abortion but they don't believe in birth control. Period. It is like trying to neuter God. Monty Python parodied this quite brilliantly in their Meaning of Life which compared Ireland in a Malthusian way to the Third World. Practicing birth control would be "like trying to do it to God."

Recently good Catholic Liberal Democrats were outraged (I mean OUTRAGED) that Catholic employers were asked by the Obama administration implementing healthcare guidelines to provide birth control in their employer-sponsored health insurance plans, and I don't meant just for Catholics.
There are many problems with this statement, this is a generalized (and stereotyped) idea on Catholics and far from the reality of many countries with Catholic majority. Goebbels came from a Catholic family but he was atheist, his supposed "catholicism culture" woun't prevent him being in favor of birth control (or not), he wasn't religious, this position about these subjects changes from country to country and from culture to culture, there's birth control in several European Catholic countries, religion in general isn't above the values and the local culture, religion is mixed with them. A German Catholic not necessarily think / thought the same way as an Irishman and so on. This view on ​​Catholicism and Vatican is widespread in countries with a Protestant majority, it's a distorted view from Protestantism when Protestantism arose and wanted to establish itself as majority religion in some countries.

American Catholics in general are very conservative, they're quite different from European Catholics.

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The topic notes there's a comment of Scott but I can't read it.

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Scott wrote:The Church not only takes a strong stance against abortion but they don't believe in birth control. Period. It is like trying to neuter God. Monty Python parodied this quite brilliantly in their Meaning of Life which compared Ireland in a Malthusian way to the Third World. Practicing birth control would be "like trying to do it to God."
Look at them. Bloody Catholics. Filling the bloody world up with bloody people they can't afford to bloody feed.

- "Fearlessly proud" Protestant (Yorkshireman) commenting to his frisky wife about their Catholic neighbours.


Nothing to do with Ireland this legendary sketch.
We just wish to point out to the court that is not a signed sworn statement of Dr. Bender but merely a translation of an alleged or purported statement of Dr. Bender, the original of which, like many other things, is not to be found today.
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theblackrabbitofinlé wrote:
Scott wrote:The Church not only takes a strong stance against abortion but they don't believe in birth control. Period. It is like trying to neuter God. Monty Python parodied this quite brilliantly in their Meaning of Life which compared Ireland in a Malthusian way to the Third World. Practicing birth control would be "like trying to do it to God."
Look at them. Bloody Catholics. Filling the bloody world up with bloody people they can't afford to bloody feed.

- "Fearlessly proud" Protestant (Yorkshireman) commenting to his frisky wife about their Catholic neighbours.
Nothing to do with Ireland this legendary sketch.
Interestingly, the Little Rabbit doesn't like Irish people too, lol. What do you think about this song?


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Scott wrote:
rollo the ganger wrote:Magda was Goebbel's "birther cow". The perfect compliant woman to represent the National Socialist family image to the German Public while Joe went around screwing anything that spread its legs for him. Even Hitler scolded him for his shennanigans as not representing the National Socialist ideals. A modern day analogy would be Newt Gingrich who espoused the "Family Values" of the Republican Party and then handed divorce papers to his wife who was on her death bed with cancer.
Sounds like any other good Catholic. They both came from good Catholic backgrounds even if Goebbels was not exactly practicing the Faith.

The Church not only takes a strong stance against abortion but they don't believe in birth control. Period. It is like trying to neuter God. Monty Python parodied this quite brilliantly in their Meaning of Life which compared Ireland in a Malthusian way to the Third World. Practicing birth control would be "like trying to do it to God."

Recently good Catholic Liberal Democrats were outraged (I mean OUTRAGED) that Catholic employers were asked by the Obama administration implementing healthcare guidelines to provide birth control in their employer-sponsored health insurance plans, and I don't meant just for Catholics.

I'm not just talking about Republican hypocrites like Newtie, but pious Democrats were positively howling about this--and again, not talking about buggery or abortion here, even though the U.S. continues to lead the developed world, including Ireland, in unwanted pregnancies. But Planned Parenthood might as well be the RSHA.

In fact, Obama pissed off so many family-values Catholic Democrats that he had to redraw the lines completely and pick up some other cudgel like going after the National Rifle Association.

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Dear Administrator,
I have never seen a thread so "derailed", so please, answer me:
What is your point ?

Goebbels a Catholic that kills his own children (God's children)?
When he joined the NSDAP, he was among the leftwingers and worked for the Strasser brothers, just like Himmler, by the way.

The NSDAP was not a catholic party, although their policy was "give Germany children, as many as you can"...It is maybe a shared value with catholicism, but its stops right there.

Regarding his children - note that it has nothing to do with his diary - he had plenty of means to put them in a secure and very wealthy place. Goebbels son in law became one of the biggest fortune in the world: The Quandt family is still one of the wealthiest family in the world.

Also note that most of prominent Nazis children were mostly untouched after the war, whether it is Hitler's sister, Goering's daughter, etc.

So please, what is your point?

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Basically just because Catholic means Universal, it doesn't mean that whilst that cradle to grave philosophy should in theory have exactly the self same features all over the World, it does. Nor should it follow that all Catholics behave and think in exactly the same ways. They obviously don't.

Catholicism went through some tumultuous times after the Protestant reformations. I would tend to think that such a wide variety of different Historical experiences would create different forms. Consider these.

Response to pressure to reform initially, failure to reform, reaction to reformation, persecution by, persecution of, later sectarian conflicts within, Catholic identity, siege Catholic identity, later Vatican reforms and the effects they took, then just tie all this in with local folklore and Custom and Belief and you are going to find huge global variances. Not to mention all those Haly pictures staring at you ;-)
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