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Nessie wrote:
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It explains why no Nazi, ever, under any circumstance, even those who lived the rest of their lives in safety in Argentina, claimed the AR camps had another purpose.
So Nessie thinks these people would be advertising their presence. Did Eichmann scream from the roof tops, "Here I am" come get me.


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No Nazi, no matter what his circumstances were, where he lived, whether he was put on trial or not, ever claimed the AR camps were something other than death camps.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Nessie wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:57 pm
No Nazi, no matter what his circumstances were, where he lived, whether he was put on trial or not, ever claimed the AR camps were something other than death camps.
Were they all ex NSDAP members?


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Nessie wrote:
No Nazi, no matter what his circumstances were, where he lived, whether he was put on trial or not, ever claimed the AR camps were something other than death camps.
I call bullshit. Nessie has no way of knowing what all National Socialists said about the holyhoax. Himmler and Goering both denied the holyhoax as did Dr. Mengele. Nessie would have to be telepathic, a mind reader, to know what each and every National Socialist ever said about the holyhoax. Nessie is blowing smoke and horse frocky.

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Turnagain wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:16 pm
Nessie is blowing smoke and horse frocky.
Despite the testicular squeeze, broken noses, the threat of family murdered, sons imprisoned, daughters graped there was no coercion.


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Turnagain wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:16 pm
Nessie wrote:
No Nazi, no matter what his circumstances were, where he lived, whether he was put on trial or not, ever claimed the AR camps were something other than death camps.
I call bullshit. Nessie has no way of knowing what all National Socialists said about the holyhoax. Himmler and Goering both denied the holyhoax as did Dr. Mengele. Nessie would have to be telepathic, a mind reader, to know what each and every National Socialist ever said about the holyhoax. Nessie is blowing smoke and horse frocky.
Fine, name and quote a Nazi who clearly states that there were no gas chambers inside the AR camps or A-B kremas.

What the Nazis said about the Holocaust is well documented and the issue of who said what has been studied by historians for years. Many denied any involvement on their part, none specifically said he was at an AR camp or A-B krema, and there was no gassings.

Gassings is corroborated, by witnesses, both Nazi and Jewish and from documentary and circumstantial evidence. You try and counter that with a bizarre claim that because some witnesses describe gassings and say things that can be interpreted as impossible, therefore no gassings. That does not make logical sense.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
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Nessie wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:29 pm
Gassings is corroborated, by witnesses, both Nazi and Jewish and from documentary and circumstantial evidence.
Collusion is not corroboration.


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Re: Witness credibility

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Huntinger wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:56 pm
Nessie wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:29 pm
Gassings is corroborated, by witnesses, both Nazi and Jewish and from documentary and circumstantial evidence.
Collusion is not corroboration.
OK, show how deniers credibly assess witness evidence.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
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Re: Witness credibility

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Nessie wrote:
Fine, name and quote a Nazi who clearly states that there were no gas chambers inside the AR camps or A-B kremas.
No, YOU quote both Goering and Himmler saying that there were extermination camps with gas chambers.
Gassings is corroborated, by witnesses, both Nazi and Jewish and from documentary and circumstantial evidence.
Steam chambers are also proven by document PS 3311 from the IMT. Bomba claimed that the eeevul Narzis killed Jews with vacuum and that's corroborated by Rajchman and others. Rosenberg stated under oath that the gas chambers were hermetically sealed and that's corroborated by Wiernik and others. If documents and corroboration is all it takes then the steam chambers, the vacuum chambers and the hermetically sealed gas chambers are proven fact.

Tell us more about your "facts" that are proven by documentation and corroborating witnesses, Nessie.

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Turnagain wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:12 pm
Nessie wrote:
Fine, name and quote a Nazi who clearly states that there were no gas chambers inside the AR camps or A-B kremas.
No, YOU quote both Goering and Himmler saying that there were extermination camps with gas chambers.
They didn't say that. I have never made such a claim. Now, you quote Himmler, Goering and Dr. Mengele denying that gassings took place at the AR camps and A-B kremas. You will not be able to do that, since none denied gassings at those places.
Gassings is corroborated, by witnesses, both Nazi and Jewish and from documentary and circumstantial evidence.
Steam chambers are also proven by document PS 3311 from the IMT.
No, that is hearsay. It has never been proven that steam was used.
Bomba claimed that the eeevul Narzis killed Jews with vacuum and that's corroborated by Rajchman and others. Rosenberg stated under oath that the gas chambers were hermetically sealed and that's corroborated by Wiernik and others. If documents and corroboration is all it takes then the steam chambers, the vacuum chambers and the hermetically sealed gas chambers are proven fact.

Tell us more about your "facts" that are proven by documentation and corroborating witnesses, Nessie.
You are YET again mixing hearsay with eyewitness evidence. You are mixing what witness thought had happened with what they actually saw happen as if that is the same thing, IT IS NOT.

Now, tell me why your methodology of examining what only some witnesses said, ignoring the difference between hearsay and eyewitness evidence and taking witnesses very literally, is a credible and reliable method of assessing witness evidence.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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