The Selection Process

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Boyar wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:41 pm
Wheres 1 document or 1 witness saying the Treblinka Jews went to Bialystok? How would the Nazis return the Jews to Treblinka in Sept 1944 when they destroyed the camp in 1943? How would they transit them to Lublin when it was captured by the Soviets in July? Oh wait, thats your fantasy HOI4 version of WW2 perhaps, lol :lol:
No fantasy.
That information is from the Treblinka station master Zabecki who took notes.

Zabeckis information:
  • 18th August 1943 32 cars passing through
  • 19th August 1943 40 cars passing through
  • 19th August 1943 39 cars arrive
  • 24th August 1943 9 cars leave....30 remaining
  • 8th Sept 1943 31 cars leave.....0 remaining
39 cars arrive and 40 leaves which means there was an extra car (wagon) in the siding. People left 6 days after arriving on the 19th August (900 people) while the remaining 3000 left 22 days later on the 8th September.


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so you mistyped? you didn't imply that the Nazis were still running Treblinka in Sept 1944, after the Soviet Operation Bagration had steamrolled the Nazis in eastern Poland where all the AR camps were, meaning it was Auschwitz next in line to be liberated, not Treblinka way back behind enemy lines? Just checking, because I know you know WW2

As for Zabeckis, i checked the wiki...
After the war, ZΔ…becki testified at the trials of German war criminals, including SS officer Kurt Franz, and the commandant of Treblinka extermination camp, Franz Stangl. His incriminating evidence against them included original German waybills produced by the Reichsbahn, which proved that the "GΓΌterwagen" boxcars crammed with prisoners on the way to Treblinka extermination camp, were returning empty. ZΔ…becki secretly stole a batch of waybills in 1944 from the control house to serve as physical proof of the massacre. From July 1942 until the end of war, ZΔ…becki regularly delivered his reports about the Holocaust trains to the Polish government-in-exile.[2][5]
So yeah, nothing about transfers to Bialystok or Lublin. Just full loads of Jews being sent to Treblinka, empty trains coming back, because they were dead (no other explanation, because you couldn't keep 7,000 people in that tiny camp, let alone the minimum 720k sent to Treblinka). So this really doesn't help your case, it helps the official story, and reality Image

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Uh-huh, Zabecki grabbed some waybills that just happened to show empty trains returning to Warsaw but no other train schedules for empties leaving Treblinka. Zabecki was a member of the Polish underground so he didn't have any reason to lie about the eeevul Narzis. Oh, wait a minute...

Boyar claims that since there's no proof of the Jews leaving Treblinka then they must have been murdered at Treblinka. So, how were the Jews murdered and how were their bodies disposed of?

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Boyar wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:52 pm
As for Zabeckis, i checked the wiki...
Wiki is full of errors and often contradicts other more reliable sources.
Try http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... becki.html
18 August 1943, a transport of Jews β€œPJ 201" (32 wagons) went to Lublin from Bialystok via Treblinka.

19 August, the transport β€œPJ 203" (40 wagons) went to Lublin from Bialystok via Treblinka.

19 August, the last transport of Jews from Bialystok, β€œPJ 204" (39 wagons), arrived at Treblinka.

24 August, transport β€œPJ 209" (9 wagons) went to Lublin via Treblinka.

8 September, transport β€œPJ 211" (31 wagons) was sent to Lublin, and on 17 September, transport β€œPJ 1025" (50 wagons) of Jews from Minsk Litewski was sent to Chelm (in fact to Sobibor).


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Huntinger wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:54 am
Boyar wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:52 pm
As for Zabeckis, i checked the wiki...
Wiki is full of errors and often contradicts other more reliable sources.
Try http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... becki.html
18 August 1943, a transport of Jews β€œPJ 201" (32 wagons) went to Lublin from Bialystok via Treblinka.

19 August, the transport β€œPJ 203" (40 wagons) went to Lublin from Bialystok via Treblinka.

19 August, the last transport of Jews from Bialystok, β€œPJ 204" (39 wagons), arrived at Treblinka.

24 August, transport β€œPJ 209" (9 wagons) went to Lublin via Treblinka.

8 September, transport β€œPJ 211" (31 wagons) was sent to Lublin, and on 17 September, transport β€œPJ 1025" (50 wagons) of Jews from Minsk Litewski was sent to Chelm (in fact to Sobibor).
After the TII rebellion and mass escape on the 2nd of August 1943, many transports destined for TII were diverted via Treblinka station to Lublin and the camp at Majdanek. Only a few came to the camp, the last being in the 19th of August. The list above is of transports after the rebellion, as the camp was being closed down.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Nessie wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:35 pm
After the TII rebellion and mass escape on the 2nd of August 1943, many transports destined for TII were diverted via Treblinka station to Lublin and the camp at Majdanek. Only a few came to the camp, the last being in the 19th of August. The list above is of transports after the rebellion, as the camp was being closed down.
Those transports coincided with the Bialystok rebellion which was launched August 16, 1943; It was led by the Anti-Fascist Military Organisation (Antyfaszystowska Organizacja Bojowa). It seems the revolt was due to the rumours of mass deportations from the ghetto.

Wiki gives insights with the following
The revolt began upon the German announcement of mass deportations from the Ghetto. The main objective was to break the German siege and allow the maximum number of Jews to escape into the neighboring Knyszyn (KnyszyΕ„ski) Forest. A group of about 300 to 500 insurgents armed with 25 rifles and 100 pistols as well as home-made Molotov cocktails for grenades, attacked the overwhelming German force with a great loss of life.

The civilians were simply transported back into the General Government.


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Stay on topic.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Nessie wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:43 pm
Stay on topic.
Boyar can ask about Bialystok


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