Turnagain wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:46 am
More ignorance from Nessie. He wrote:
The monuments cover 4.07 acres. Wiernik had to estimate the grave sizes. Denier suggestions that the camp was too small for mass graves is wrong.
Uh-huh, and nobody can find any of those 30+ feet deep graves. Hey, they all got "dug up" and disappeared.
The witness who worked at the camp 1942-3 all state mass graves were dug and then exhumed to remove the bodies, which were cremated and mixed back into the ground.
1943 Kurt Franz photo proves as the camp was being closed down and dismantled, excavators were dumping and mixing earth at the site.
1944 aerial photo proves disturbed ground, in part planted over.
Witnesses speak to grave robbing at the site starting as soon as the Soviet arrived in 1944, including the use of explosives.
The 1945 site examination found that the ground had been dug over and cremated remains were spread over an area of around 2 hectares and in one place, down to 7m.
In the 1960s, again due to grave robbing, the site was tidied, exposed remains buried and most disturbed areas concreted over, covering 1.65 hectares.
The 2014 site geophysical surveys found underground disturbances around the concrete memorial and walk over surveys noted, especially after it had rained, that cremains could still be found on the surface of the ground.
You have been told all of that before, you know that to any normal person that is overwhelming evidence to prove large areas of disturbed ground containing cremated remains. Because of that, you childishly try and dismiss that evidence and pretend it means the original graves are claimed to have been replaced by undisturbed ground
You are assuming that number of bodies was buried.
I'm assuming nothing. Hoefle said that 713,555 Jews were delivered to Treblinka by December 31, 1942. The order to exhume and cremate the cadavers was given in March, 1943. Jews continued to arrive at an average rate of bout 17,000 per month through August 1943. Given time off for the holidays, 6-7,000 Jews arriving at Treblinka by the time the cremation order was given is most reasonable.
There were reports from Polish rail workers of cremations starting in 1942.
In any case, the earliest burial were July 1942. Those bodies would decompose and compress under the weight of bodies piled on top of them, making denier estimations of how many bodies can fit unreliable.
According to Wiernik an new grave would be opened every 1.6 months on average. In 1.6 months bodies aren't going to decompose enough to allow for a body density of 12-13 cadavers per cubic meter. Besides, how did Wiernik get the bodies to the middle of the 82 feet wide graves? It brings the image of flocks of Jew cadavers getting sailed through air like a covey of quail to give an even distribution of bodies in the alleged graves. Besides, if the graves were to be filled from both sides you would get a concomitant increase in the area necessary for a grave.
How do you know what happens to a body after 1.6 months of being exposed to ever increasing pressure as it decomposes? The answer is that you do not know, but it is safe to assume the body will decompose and all liquids will be squeezed out and there will be no gaps. There is a photo of the Katyn graves here;
http://pamietamkatyn1940.pl/en/blog/his ... maddena-2/
Those bodies were left with their clothes on, but they are still crushed down so it is hard to see where one body ends and another starts. Denier estimates of how many bodies fit do not take into account crushing.
As to how the graves were filled, bodies would pile up from the sides and layers of lime were added to increase decomposition, so the centre would fill up from the sides.
You are assuming all the graves were the same size as the biggest one he gave dimensions for.
Rajchman gave the dimensions of the graves as 12X30X50 meters with four being larger, no dimensions given. From his tale, one grave was capable of containing 250,000 cadavers; the one where the blood caught fire but no dimensions for that grave were given.
You took one grave size and applied it to all the graves to give the most exaggerated grave sizes you could. They would still fit inside the camp.
The answer is to bury the bodies of the people they killed...
Uh-huh, the Germans would have taken on such feats of excavation including the use of some marvelous mystery machine instead of digging more smaller graves that would have been within the capabilities of the readily available M&H draglines from T-1.
That just means if the witnesses exaggerated the size of the graves, you have admitted the draglines could have dug them
Add it your exaggeration of how many bodies can fit, because you forget about crushing and your claims of impossibility are debunked.
Photographic and geophysical evidence proves excavations at the AR camps unlike any other camps.
There are NO photographs or geophysical evidence of the gigantic mass graves at Treblinka. You lie, Nessie.
There are photographs and geophysical evidence that prove large areas of excavated ground. Those excavations are where the original graves full of bodies were located. Once the Nazis had dug out the bodies and mixed cremains back into the ground, then grave robbers further disturbed the ground and then the site was memorialised, it is hardly surprising that there are no neat rectangular mass graves full of corpses, as was found at Katyn or dug for the dead at Bergen-Belsen.
By proving large areas of disturbed ground containing cremated remains at TII, it is proved that the witness claims about mass graves that were exhumed and cremains mixed back into the ground are true.
