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Re: The flaws in denier arguments

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Turnagain wrote:
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There were train schedules showing departures from Treblinka but all records of train departures disappeared after the Soviets got their hands on them. All except the few schedules showing empty trains returning empty to Warsaw. Gee, I wonder how that happened?
Why did the Nazis not produce reports, as they did at Katyn, knowing the Polish (it was the Poles, not the Soviets) were claiming the AR camps and A-B kremas were used for gassings?
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Re: The flaws in denier arguments

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Why did the Nazis not produce reports, as they did at Katyn, knowing the Polish (it was the Poles, not the Soviets) were claiming the AR camps and A-B kremas were used for gassings?
The Poles were still producing their ridiculous steam chamber nonsense about T-II. Actual records simply disappeared after the war.

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Turnagain wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:11 am
Nessie wrote:
Why did the Nazis not produce reports, as they did at Katyn, knowing the Polish (it was the Poles, not the Soviets) were claiming the AR camps and A-B kremas were used for gassings?
The Poles were still producing their ridiculous steam chamber nonsense about T-II. Actual records simply disappeared after the war.
Again, the Nazis knew about the allegation they were responsible for Katyn, so they got along observers and did a comprehensive report to show it was not them. The Nazis knew about the allegations of death camps and gas chambers at A-B etc, so why not do the same and invite observers and produce a report? The Red Cross visited A-B, so they could have been shown round the Kremas.
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Again, the Nazis knew about the allegation they were responsible for Katyn, so they got along observers and did a comprehensive report to show it was not them. The Nazis knew about the allegations of death camps and gas chambers at A-B etc, so why not do the same and invite observers and produce a report? The Red Cross visited A-B, so they could have been shown round the Kremas.
The Reich was not investigating Katyn to stop them getting the blame, but solely to have a go at the Russians, with propaganda. If there was not propaganda value, I doubt if they would have cared. Just dead Poles.


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Huntinger wrote:
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Nessie wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:27 pm
Again, the Nazis knew about the allegation they were responsible for Katyn, so they got along observers and did a comprehensive report to show it was not them. The Nazis knew about the allegations of death camps and gas chambers at A-B etc, so why not do the same and invite observers and produce a report? The Red Cross visited A-B, so they could have been shown round the Kremas.
The Reich was not investigating Katyn to stop them getting the blame, but solely to have a go at the Russians, with propaganda. If there was not propaganda value, I doubt if they would have cared. Just dead Poles.
The Nazis knew they were being accused of gassings, so why did they not produce a report and have independent observers as they did at Katyn?
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Nessie wrote:
Again, the Nazis knew about the allegation they were responsible for Katyn, so they got along observers and did a comprehensive report to show it was not them.
That's idiotic. The Soviets tried to keep Katyn secret until that area was occupied by German troops and some locals showed the Germans the location of the graves. Only after the Germans exposed the Soviet murders did the Soviets try to blame the massacre on the Germans.

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Turnagain wrote:
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Again, the Nazis knew about the allegation they were responsible for Katyn, so they got along observers and did a comprehensive report to show it was not them.
That's idiotic. The Soviets tried to keep Katyn secret until that area was occupied by German troops and some locals showed the Germans the location of the graves. Only after the Germans exposed the Soviet murders did the Soviets try to blame the massacre on the Germans.
You are dodging the point. The Nazis produced a report and got independent observers at Katyn. The Nazis knew they were being held responsible for gassings at the AR camps and A-B kremas, so why did they not produce a report and get in independent observers to prove no gassings?

The Nazis allowed the Red Cross to visit A-B in September 1944 and they were ideally placed to be shown around the Kremas and that would have stopped gassing claims dead. Instead the Red Cross were refused access.
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The Nazis allowed the Red Cross to visit A-B in September 1944 and they were ideally placed to be shown around the Kremas and that would have stopped gassing claims dead. Instead the Red Cross were refused access.
The AR camps were closed by 1944 and the IRC's visit to A-B.
The Nazis knew they were being held responsible for gassings at the AR camps and A-B kremas, so why did they not produce a report and get in independent observers to prove no gassings?
Indeed, if the Germans knew that the AR camps were extermination facilities, why wasn't there a full court press on to hide that fact? Oh, that's right, the eeevul Narzis were just too stupid to do that.

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Turnagain wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:01 pm
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The Nazis allowed the Red Cross to visit A-B in September 1944 and they were ideally placed to be shown around the Kremas and that would have stopped gassing claims dead. Instead the Red Cross were refused access.
The AR camps were closed by 1944 and the IRC's visit to A-B.
I was giving an example of how easily the Nazis could have stopped the claims about gas chambers at A-B dead in 1944. Why did they not take that opportunity? They had arranged independent visits to Katyn.

The answer is that they had nothing to hide at Katyn, they had a lot to hide at the Kremas.
The Nazis knew they were being held responsible for gassings at the AR camps and A-B kremas, so why did they not produce a report and get in independent observers to prove no gassings?
Indeed, if the Germans knew that the AR camps were extermination facilities, why wasn't there a full court press on to hide that fact? Oh, that's right, the eeevul Narzis were just too stupid to do that.
If the AR camps were transit camps, one visit by independent observers and that is the end of Polish rumours of gassings. The Nazis did not let that happen, because the AR camps were death camps.
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Re: The flaws in denier arguments

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At the time of the IRC's visit to A-B there weren't any AR camps. Duh!

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