The flaws in denier arguments

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Re: The flaws in denier arguments

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It is physically impossible for the Nazis to have transported and accommodate millions of Jews without leaving any evidence.
Given that the Soviets had control of the records for the all of the alleged "death camps" how do you know if there wasn't evidence of the Germans resettling the Jews? You don't. The Soviets said, "No records" and Nessie says, "Yup, yup, those honest and utterly reliable Soviets said no records so no records ever existed".

ALL concentration camps were declared to be extermination facilities after the war but further investigation showed that to be horse frocky. Nessie doesn't find it the least bit curious that ALL of the alleged death camps existed ONLY in the Soviet zone. Then he shrieks, "No records, no records" as though that's the gospel truth. The fact is that Nessie is totally clueless whether or not any such records ever existed.

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Re: The flaws in denier arguments

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Turnagain wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:29 pm
Nessie wrote:
It is physically impossible for the Nazis to have transported and accommodate millions of Jews without leaving any evidence.
Given that the Soviets had control of the records for the all of the alleged "death camps" how do you know if there wasn't evidence of the Germans resettling the Jews? You don't. The Soviets said, "No records" and Nessie says, "Yup, yup, those honest and utterly reliable Soviets said no records so no records ever existed".
There are archives all over Europe of records of Jews registered by the Nazis, transport records and records of who survived. The Soviets had no control over Dutch records of registered Jews, Jews sent to Sobibor and how many returned after the war. Dutch records also show that Jews arrived at an AR camp and then, nothing. For the vast majority, the record of their existence ends at Sobibor.

The Nazis knew that the Soviets were going to make false accusations, for example Katyn. Knowing that if the AR camps were transit camps, the Nazis could have easily preserved records for the western Allies. Instead, there is nothing. Not only are there no documents, there has never been a Nazi who claimed the AR camps were transit camps.

Then there is the issue of accommodating the Jews. The Soviets could not hide dozens of camps the size of A-B which would have been needed to accommodate over a million people. It is an incredible enough claim that the Soviets traced and hide all records of the Nazi accommodation of millions of Jews. It is even more incredible to claim the Soviets also hid the huge camps required.

The SU was very inefficient and it could not even preserve the Katyn massacre hoax. It is impossible that it preserved a hoax thousands of times larger than Katyn.
ALL concentration camps were declared to be extermination facilities after the war but further investigation showed that to be horse frocky. Nessie doesn't find it the least bit curious that ALL of the alleged death camps existed ONLY in the Soviet zone. Then he shrieks, "No records, no records" as though that's the gospel truth. The fact is that Nessie is totally clueless whether or not any such records ever existed.
That just shows how the Allies sceptically investigated the claims and found only a few camps where it was proved mass gassings took place. That they were in the Soviet zone is because the Nazis did not want to mass gas Jews in Germany. They were happy to mass gas disabled people, until the church and public pressure stopped that action.

Denial makes a physically impossible claim that the Nazis accommodated millions of Jews who had not been gassed, until they were somehow secretly liberated by the Soviets. Only someone prone to believe in mad CTs would fall for that.
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Nessie wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:57 pm
Denial makes a physically impossible claim that the Nazis accommodated millions of Jews who had not been gassed, until they were somehow secretly liberated by the Soviets. Only someone prone to believe in mad CTs would fall for that.
There were plenty of vacant houses and properties until Himmlers order to put them all in konzentrationslager.


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Huntinger wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:00 pm
Nessie wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:57 pm
Denial makes a physically impossible claim that the Nazis accommodated millions of Jews who had not been gassed, until they were somehow secretly liberated by the Soviets. Only someone prone to believe in mad CTs would fall for that.
There were plenty of vacant houses and properties until Himmlers order to put them all in konzentrationslager.
Millions of Jews moving into empty properties in the east would be evidenced.
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Nessie wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:07 pm
Millions of Jews moving into empty properties in the east would be evidenced.
They are probably still there.


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Huntinger wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:17 pm
Nessie wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:07 pm
Millions of Jews moving into empty properties in the east would be evidenced.
They are probably still there.
That is just stupid and another example of you just blurting out crap. There are many examples of towns all over the Nazi occupied east with large Jewish populations, that disappeared overnight with the Nazis, and no Jews have returned.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30214204
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Nessie wrote:
The Nazis knew that the Soviets were going to make false accusations, for example Katyn. Knowing that if the AR camps were transit camps, the Nazis could have easily preserved records for the western Allies.
Right, the National Socialists knew that the Soviets were going to make false accusations, for example, Katyn. So, if the eeevul Narzis knew that the AR camps were extermination facilities they were too stupid to make up some fake rail schedules showing the Jews being resettled in "the east". Stupid Narzis!

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Turnagain wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:26 pm
Nessie wrote:
The Nazis knew that the Soviets were going to make false accusations, for example Katyn. Knowing that if the AR camps were transit camps, the Nazis could have easily preserved records for the western Allies.
Right, the National Socialists knew that the Soviets were going to make false accusations, for example, Katyn. So, if the eeevul Narzis knew that the AR camps were extermination facilities they were too stupid to make up some fake rail schedules showing the Jews being resettled in "the east". Stupid Narzis!
The Nazis did a very thorough investigation of Katyn, preserving evidence to prove it was not them, knowing that the Soviets would blame them. Ultimately, that evidence hung over the Soviets until they finally admitted responsibility and their hoax.

Why did the Nazis not do the same for the AR camps and A-B kremas? Why did the Nazis not preserve evidence to prove they were used for something other than gassings, that like the evidence they preserved for Katyn, would eventually exonerate them and prove the Soviets lied? The Nazis knew they were being accused of gassings. They could have done what they did at Katyn and take foreign reporters and POWs and show them inside the buildings and camps and prove they were no gas chambers or mass graves. Like Katyn, the Soviet hoax would eventually fall apart and we would now know mass gassings was a hoax.
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Nessie wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:32 pm

Why did the Nazis not do the same for the AR camps and A-B kremas? Why did the Nazis not preserve evidence to prove they were used for something other than gassings.
They were not to know that innocuous transit camps would be turned into diabolical places of extermination; in war there is more to worry about than rumours.


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There were train schedules showing departures from Treblinka but all records of train departures disappeared after the Soviets got their hands on them. All except the few schedules showing empty trains returning empty to Warsaw. Gee, I wonder how that happened?

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