been-there wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:32 pm
FascistLove wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:25 pm
Hitler threatened the extermination of the Jews of Europe if they caused a world war in his notorious Reichstag speech in January 1939.
Wrong. He never said he would "exterminate" them. You appear to be approaching this topic from a position of arrogant ignorance.
FascistLove wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:25 pm
Hitler mentioned this again in the 1940s and said that the war would bring about the extermination of the Jews and not the extermination of the Aryans.
...Firstly, anyone who wants to properly understand WW2 history has to acknowledge that in war the first casualty is the truth
...The natural corollary of this acknowledgement is that anyone who genuinely wants to find the impartial truth must discern between what information relies on self-justifying propaganda and what relies on accurate, impartial relaying of historical fact.
This applies to everything concerning WW2 in general, but in particular to the occurrences now collectively referred to as 'THE Holocaust'.
...Now coming to your false understanding of Hitler's prophesies and statements concerning the fate of European Jews.
WW2 history as it is currently enforced, makes great issue of Adolf Hitler's reference to a previous 'prophecy
' concerning the Jews in a widely-transmitted speech in the Reichstag on 30 January 1942.
Wir sind uns dabei im klaren darüber, daß der Krieg nur damit enden kann, daß entweder die germanische Völker ausgerottet werden, oder daß das Judentum aus Europa verschwindet. Ich habe am 3. September im Deutschen Reichstag es schon ausgesprochen -- und ich hüte mich vor voreiligen Prophezeiungen -, daß dieser Krieg nicht so ausgehen wird, wie es sich die Juden vorstellen, nämlich daß die europäisch-arischen Völker ausgerottet werden, sondern daß das Ergebnis dieses Krieges die Vernichtung des Judentums ist. Zum erstenmal werden nicht andere allein verbluten sondern zum ersten mal wird diesesmal das echt altjüdische Gesetz angewendet: „Aug' um Aug', Zahn um Zahn!"
Und je weiter sich dieser Kampf ausbreitet, um so mehr wird sich mit diesem Kampf--das mag sich das Weltjudentum gesagt sein lassen--der Antisemitismus verbreiten. Er wird eine Nahrung finden in jedem Gefangenenlager, er wird eine Nahrung finden in jeder Familie, die aufgeklärt wird, warum sie letzten Endes ihr Opfer zu bringen hat. Und es wird die Stunde kommen, da der böseste Weltfeind aller Zeiten wenigstens vielleicht auf ein Jahrtausend seine Rolle ausgespielt haben wird.
It is clear to us that the war can only end with the eradication of the Germanic peoples or the disappearance of Jewry from Europe. I had on September 3rd already announced in the German Reichstag (and I am careful not to make rash prophecies) that this this war will not develop as the Jews imagine it, namely that the European-Aryan peoples be eradicated, but that the outcome of this war will be the destruction of Judaism. For the first time others will not bleed alone, but for the first time the genuine, old Jewish law will be applied: “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth!”
And the more this war spreads, the more anti-Semitism will spread. This may be said to world Jewry: anti-Semitism will be nourished in every prison camp, in every family which must be informed why they must sacrifice to the bitter end. And the hour will come when the most evil world enemy of all times will have played out its role for perhaps a thousand years at least.
Here is the oft repeated part of that speech in the actual German spoken:
"Ich habe am 1. September 1939 im Deutschen Reichstag es schon augesprochen (und ich hüte mich vor voreiligen Prophzeihungen) daß dieser Krieg nicht so ausgehen wird, wie es sich die Juden vorstellen, nämlich daß die europäisch-arischen Völker ausgerottet werden, sondern daß das Ergebnis dieses Krieges die Vernichtung des Judentums sein wird."
did "die Juden vorstellen... daß die europäisch-arischen Völker ausgerottet werden"
exactly was Hitler referring to with: "the Jews imagine that the European-Aryan peoples will be rooted out (ausgerottet)"?
What in reality was the type of action
that was actually being proposed of a people being rooted-out or eradicated (“Völker ausgerottet”)
which Hitler said would be applied instead to the the ones who first proposed it?
An open and honest evaluation of the history would attempt to put this statement in its appropriate context.
Had there been a call by any Jew or Jewish collective for such an ausrottung
This is where Kaufman's 1941 book comes in. It was an example of Jewish racist and genocidal attitudes that were seriously considered in American government and was widely publicised in media periodicals (e.g. New York Times, New York Post, Time magazine, The Canadian Jewish Chronicle, etc., etc.,).
And crucially, the Jew Kaufman's proposal and appeal was not a call for mass-murder.
It was a call for the elimination by sterilisation and dispersion/exile of the German people!
Kaufman summarised Germany Must Perish!
in the New York Times and New York Post advertisements as: "
A dynamic volume outlining a plan for the extinction of Germany and containing a map showing possible dissection and apportionment of its territory."
An interview with Kaufman in which he attempts to justify his plan for the elimination appears in The Canadian Jewish Chronicle
in its September 26, 1941 issue, in which Kaufman stated:
"I believe, that the Jews have a mission in life
. They must see to it that the nations of the world get together in one vast federation. 'Union Now'
is the beginning of this. Slowly but surely the world will develop into a paradise. We will have perpetual peace. And the Jews will do the most to bring about this confederation, because they have the most to gain
. But how can you get peace if Germany exists? The only way to win an eternal peace is to make the punishment of waging war more horrible than war itself. Human beings are penalised for murder, aren't they? Well, Germany starts all the wars of magnitude. Let us sterilize all Germans and wars of world domination will come to an end!"
Hitler had prophesised:
daß dieser Krieg nicht so ausgehen wird, wie es sich die Juden vorstellen, nämlich daß die europäisch-arischen Völker ausgerottet werden, sondern daß das Ergebnis dieses Krieges die Vernichtung des Judentums sein wird."
= "that this war will be not so, as the Jews imagine it, namely that the European-Aryan peoples be eradicated, but that the outcome of this war will be the destruction of Judaism."
See that? 'JUDAISM'. Not Jews. Not "the extermination of all individual Jews" as we are forcibly indoctrinated.
"...sondern daß das Ergebnis dieses Krieges die Vernichtung des Judentums sein wird."
= "...but that the outcome of this war will be the destruction of Judaism."
An honest investigator would regard as extremely relevant to a proper appraisal of Hitler's January 1942 speech the fact that there had
been a call by a Jew — which had
been widely publicised by Jewish owned newspapers/periodicals — calling for the elimination of Germany and Germans in March 1941. Yet this is never mentioned in current histories. Why is that?
The Hitler referral in 1942, to Jews wanting to eliminate his people is presented to us as anti-semitic paranoia. This is therefore a deceit by omission. A lie!
For me, this demonstrates the deceit of people such as Richard J. Evans in the Irving libel case (and this while under oath to be honest in a court of law).
And it also demonstrates in my opinion, the corruption of English courts at Irving's trial, that such obvious subjective and manipulative interpretation — taken out of their historical context — of speeches and statements spoken in German, were used to demolish the credibilty and livlihood of Irving, a British citizen accused of manipulative interpretation of German texts.
Oh, the Orwellian irony of it all.
.. .. .. .. .. ..
The message sent by Hitler on the anniversary of the foundation of the party:
"Botschaft zum Tage der Parteigründung 24. Februar 1942" states the following:
"nach der Beseitigung dieser Parasiten" = "the removal of these parasites"
REMOVAL! Moving. Not killing. This is exactly why any honest investigator needs to look at the vernacular version of these statements. Not rely on possibly biased translations.
This is confirmed in the transcripts of Hitler's table talks:
Wenn ich heute den juden herausnehme, dann wird unser Bürgertum unglücklich: was geschieht denn mit ihnen? Aber haben sich die Gleichen darum gekümmert, was aus den Deutschen werden würde, die auswandern mussten?... Der Jude muss aus Europa heraus. Wir kriegen sonst keine europäische Verständigung. Er hetzt am meisten überall. Letzten Endes: ich weiss nicht, ich bin kolossal human. ... Ich sage nur, er muss weg. Wenn er dabei kaputt geht, da kann ich nicht helfen. Ich sehe nur eines: die absolute Ausrottung, wenn sie nicht freiwillig gehen. Warum soll ich einen Juden mit anderen Augen ansehen als einen russischen Gefangenen? Im Gefangenenlager sterben Viele, weil wir durch die Juden in diese Lage hineingetrieben sind. Aber was kann denn ich dafür? Warum haben die Juden denn den Krieg angezettelt?'
-- Hitler table talk on 25.1.1942, recorded by H. Heim;
"If I take the Jews out today, then our bourgeoisie becomes unhappy: ‘what is happening then with them?’
But have the same people troubled themselves about what would become of the Germans who had to emigrate?
The Jew has to get out of Europe. Otherwise we get no European understanding. He incites people the most, everywhere.
...In the end: I don't know, I'm colossally humane.
...I am just saying, he has to go. If he collapses in the course of it, I can't help there. I only see one thing: absolute rooting-out, if they don't go of their own accord. Why should I look at a Jew with other eyes than at a Russian prisoner of war? Many are dying in the prison camps because we have been driven into this situation by the Jews. But what can I do about that? Why then did the Jews instigate the war?"
This makes it clear that the object is driving the Jews out of Europe.
He compares what he is doing to Jews with Germans forced to 'emigrate' (auswandern
He said that if Jews die in the process as Russians also are dying in the camps, that is the outcome of war, NOT a deliberate policy.
He specifically states that he DOES NOT regard the Jew in a camp any differently than a Russian POW in a camp. That flatly contradicts the whole Holocaust paradigm.
"Im Gefangenenlager sterben Viele... Aber was kann denn ich dafür? Warum haben die Juden denn den Krieg angezettelt?"
"Many die in the prison camp... But what can I do about that? Why then did the Jews instigate the war?"
I.e. the deaths in camps is not something he is creating or ordering. Nor is it a policy directed against only Jews. People dying (not being 'killed') he said was a regrettable outcome of the war situation. A war he felt was forced upon him. A war he believed was instigated by certain 'international Jews'.
An open and honest enquiry
would investigate why Hitler was convinced that Jews had "started" (angezettelt)
An open and honest research
would investigate if there is any basis in fact for such an understanding.
An open and honest history
would include any reasons Hitler might have had for believing that.
An open and honest analysis
would not delete any evidence that Jews had been involved in starting the war from our history.
An open and honest society
would CERTAINLY not punish referring to such irrefutable evidence that Jews had been involved in starting the war, as an 'anti-semitic, Nazi hate trope
CONCLUSION: we do not currently have an honest and open history, or society!!