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Huntinger wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:59 am
Loog wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:14 am
Karl Munter, that's the one name? he didn't even seem like he denied anything, just that the number is smaller than 6 million because there weren't that many jews to exterminate to begin with.
Karl Münter was tried in absentia and sentenced to death, though of course it was never carried out. Karl said those killed in Ascq were responsible for their own deaths.
The Ascq massacre was an execution of 86 men apparently trying to escape on 1 April 1944 in Ascq, France, by the Waffen-SS during the Second World War.

The 12th SS Panzer Division Hitlerjugend set out by rail for Normandy at the end of March, 1944. On 1 April, their train was approaching the gare d'Ascq, a junction where three railroads intersected, when an explosion blew the line apart, causing two cars to derail. The commander of the convoy, SS Obersturmführer Walter Hauck, ordered troops to search and arrest all male members of the houses on both sides of the track. Altogether 70 men were shot beside the railway line, with another 16 killed in the village itself. Six more men were arrested and charged with the bomb attack after an investigation by the Gestapo; they were eventually ordered to be executed by firing squad.
This was a group of teen age boys in SS Uniforms, led by an officer lacking in maturity; it was certainly not their job to investigation sabotage; this was the responsibility of the Geheime Feld or Staats polizei.

The wrong men were shot of course; it is believed the bombing of the track was carried out by Marcel Lomard and Steve Grady 17, who joined the Voix du Nord resistance in 1942; his father was a gardener for the Imperial War Graves Commission tending plots for the military Cemetery in Nieppe. They spent many hours blowing up the same tracks walking many kilometres from their home. In autumn 1943, the Voix du Nord began working with the Sylvestre-Farmer Resistance network, established around Calais by the British Special Operations Executive. It was run by Michael Trotobas, a British officer known as ‘Capitaine Michel’.
Plagiarised from the Telegraph and Wikipedia. Posters who do not understand that subject and rely on other's words which they pass off as their own, do not contribute anything to the debate.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Turnagain wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:43 am
Why don't you name some specific SS guards and quote or link to their testimony? We can then examine their testimony to see if it's credible.
Karl was charged with Holocaust Denial for saying there was no holocaust and the "book keeper" Oskar Gröning was charged by German prosecutors as an accessory to murder; one would think it is best to keep ones mouth shut.

Most Gestapo and Feld Polizei including SD continued working in various Polizei and Intelligences Services of the post War Germany, not the least the Stasi.


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"Lanzmann pays Suchomel for the interview and asks Suchomel how he feels about being paid by a Jew. Suchomel says that the money is compensation, not a reward for the interview. "Why compensation?" Lanzmann asks and Suchomel says he will suffer for having brought all the old memories to light."

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btw, the different camera angles can be explained by movement of the single camera, the film is edited down from 4.5 hours. Full video is available to watch without cuts, so prompting if it exists should be obvious

available here in highest quality though not translated https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1004727

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Loog wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:30 pm
"Lanzmann pays Suchomel for the interview and asks Suchomel how he feels about being paid by a Jew. Suchomel says that the money is compensation, not a reward for the interview. "Why compensation?" Lanzmann asks and Suchomel says he will suffer for having brought all the old memories to light."
Don't be so gullible. :roll:

Lanzmann was a proven liar. He made a film of lies. He told lies.
He was also a sexual pest and groper.
He paid people to say lines in a film presented as a documentary of personal testimonies. They had set things he wanted them to say.
Rudolf Vrba was in the film and admitted he repeated words and lines he had been instructed to say. He admitted to a fellow 'Jew' that he was repeating the lines Lanzmann told him to say. He admitted it with a smirk. WITH A SMIRK!!! Do you understand?

The WHOLE 'holocaust' narrative is a collection of lies and exaggerations based upon some grains of truth. Face it. Be honest about it finally. :ugeek:

In the latest documentary of the documentary, Lanzmann repudiates the use of the term ‘documentary’ for “Shoah,”
claiming that the film “defies and eludes the categories of documentary or fiction.”

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There you have it! From his own mouth. Neither documentary or fiction!! It's mind manipulation. It's mass delusion. It's quasi-religion!! You have been indoctrinated with an ahistorical, grand myth of modern mass-delusion!
Wake up now.
The film "Shoah" begins with a lie of omission. In the list of those who made the film possible, especially financially, Lanzmann carefully avoids indicating his primary source of funding: the State of Israel. Menachem Begin himself began by arranging for $ 850,000 for what he called a "project in the national Jewish interest."
-- Robert Faurisson.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p-85_faurisson.html
(Sources: The Jewish Journal, New York, 27th June 1986, page 3,
and the Bulletin of the Jewish Telegraph Agency, June 20, 1986.)
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been-there wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:44 pm

He admitted to a fellow 'Jew' that he was repeating the lines Lanzmann told him to say. He admitted it with a smirk. WITH A SMIRK!!! Do you understand?
link?

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Loog wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:56 pm
been-there wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:44 pm

He admitted to a fellow 'Jew' that he was repeating the lines Lanzmann told him to say. He admitted it with a smirk. WITH A SMIRK!!! Do you understand?
link?
Bloody hell. I JUST GAVE you "links" to THAT!!!!! Just a couple of posts ago. :o
All laid out for you. On a plate!
You could have searched for it yourself, as Alonso does. But, no. You expect others to lay it all out for you.
And it was!!! It was all freely provided for you.
And STILL you ignored it!!!

You gullible, mind-manipulated, faithful true-believers. :roll:
You don't need links, nor access to facts! You need therapy. You need cult exit-counselling. :?
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