Turnagain wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:44 pm
Nessie is now frantically weasel dodging. Having been forced to admit that the 2-3% wasn't a reference to the number of people who display cherry red skin discoloration he is now trying to redefine the word "association". Well, skiing is associated with snow, skating is associated with ice and money is associated with wealth. In that context, cherry red skin discoloration is associated with very high levels of COHb. Nessie's claim that "associated" means rarely is bullshit.
An association just means there is some sort of connection. To use your analogy, skis are commonly associated with snow and rarely associated with sand. I have seen videos of people skiing on sand dunes, so it does happen, but it is rare.
The same source lists symptoms on Table 1. There is no mention of cherry red. That tells us the association is rare. You keep on weasel dodging why Table 1 lists of symptoms for fatal gassings and there is no mention of cherry red. Why is that?
Nessie then cites sources that make no mention of cadaver appearance whatsoever and then triumphantly declares that nobody said anything about a cherry red color. He even quotes a source that states, " Furthermore, steady-state requires exposure durations of approximately 16–24 hours". What does that have to do with a LC100 of CO that kills within 5-40 minutes? Absolutely nothing. Just more word salad and horse frocky.
Which source are you quoting from? The sources I have used may mention chronic and mild symptoms, but I only reference the acute and fatal.
That source merely calls it a telltale, meaning if it is seen, it indicates CO poisoning. That it list this telltale indicator as a "Rare Symptom", tells us it is a rare symptom. If it was a common symptom, it would list it in the section on "Frequent Symptoms".
Even in the rare cases of fatal CO, where COHb is >60%, it is a rare symptom.
Nessie had to give up on the 2-3% meaning that only 2-3% of the cases with COHb levels >60% presented cherry red skin discoloration but is hanging on to his magic word "rare" like snot on a fingernail. The ONE telltale of CO poisoning, cherry red skin discoloration, is rare because COHb levels >60% are rare. You cited the CDC as saying that only 430 deaths occurred out of 50,000 hospitalizations for CO poisoning. That makes death from CO poisoning a rare event let alone with COHb levels >60%. Nessie's claim that cherry red skin discoloration is "rare" for COHb levels of >60% is no different than his claim that 2-3% is the number of victims displaying cherry red discoloration.
You are the one hung up on the rarity of CO fatalities. The issue is of those fatalities, is cherry red skin common or rare?
I present primary sourced medical evidence it is rare and you just waffle on about an issue that has already been dealt with.
If the PPM of CO in the Treblinka gas chambers was high enough to cause 100% fatality for all victims withing 5-40 minutes, there would be a significant number of people with a COHb level >60%.
Everyone would have been exposed to >60%.
That is the fact that Nessie is desperately trying to avoid...
No, I am happy to discuss fatal cases, you are the one avoiding that issue. You want to keep on bringing the discussion back to how rare fatal cases are.
... since a significant number of cadavers displaying cherry red skin color would have been commented on at least by a few of the eyewitnesses. Instead we have the lying clowns who claimed the cadavers were yellow, black, etc. but nobody saying that the cadavers were red or even pink. So it goes in holyhoax la-la land.
Where is your primary medical evidence that a "significant number of cadavers" would be cherry red?
Stop weasel dodging and show me a primary medical source that clearly states when CO is >60%, most people go obviously cherry red.