Turnagain wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:34 am
Nessie tries to cover up the fact that he posted numbers from the CDC. Your lie didn't fly, Nessie.
I was remembering that I had got figures for deaths in the USA and UK, I had not remembered the US figure was from the CDC. You have forgotten that you just posted links to medical evidence that does not list cherry red as a symptom, whilst oddly arguing it is a common and obvious symptom.
Then Nessie tries to cover up that he said that while cherry red skin discoloration can and does appear in living patients it only appears as livor mortis e.g. it only appears when the patient is dead.
I did not say that, you are lying.
What I said was that it occasionally appears as a symptom before death and it always appears with lividity after death.
It is not my fault you do not understand that.
Where is your evidence that in fatal gassings, the skin commonly and obviously goes cherry red before the appearance of lividity?
That's been posted and you agreed that cherry red skin discoloration can and does occur in patients that have recovered from CO poisoning. Again you now claim that cherry red skin discoloration is only the result of livor mortis. Which is it?
It is not my fault you do not understand the difference between a common and obvious symptom and a rarely seen and not obvious symptom. The cherry red skin symptom is the latter, not the former.
The rare symptom before death means that when people die, very few show cherry red skin. Lividity now applies, since the heart has stopped, the victim is dead and blood now pools. Lividity is common, it happens all the time.
Sorry, but your inability to understand that means you have not got a clue about this debate, you should just step back.
Huntinger posted that 2-3% of all symptomatic victims of CO poisoning displayed the characteristic cherry red appearance. Livor mortis is a function of gravity so almost all fatal cases would display that characteristic.
The 2-3% applies to symptoms before death. The lividity or if you want, call it livor mortis, it is the same pooling of blood after the heart stops, is a function after death. Think of it as maybe about 2-3% of people show the symptom before death and then all show livor mortis after death.
May, just maybe, you will finally get to grips with the argument. But, I doubt it.
None of that explains why the alleged eyewitnesses claims that the cadavers were yellow, blue, black or gray. Why is that, Nessie?
Because witnesses often say things, based on their flawed recollections and memory, that do not make sense to others who were not there. That is just how many witnesses are. You will have never had to interview witnesses and gather evidence, so you do not know about that. You could read up about witness memory and its flaws, but you are too lazy and you would not understand.