Treblinka - transit camp or extermination camp?

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Only you think that the extermination centre at Treblinka was actually located in a forest about 70km north of Treblinka.
MMM no it is not me but the Polish Underground that prepared a report for an attack against the only known extermination centres in the regions; Majdanek and Czerwony bor. They are not concerned with this TII you speak of in 1943.
It is others who speak of an extermination facility at Treblinka in Sept 1941 10 months prior to the historiographical one; this facility is referred to as camp three in the Treblinka series of camps excluding Malkinia. Like the morphing of steaming to vacuum or electrocution, there is a morphing of a TIII probably the Czerwony bor execution centre to the current TII facility.
It is all fog and mirrors, liars and skulduggery; Rebecca's 1972 cremains and KFC drumsticks. Perhaps the odd eyeball staring into eternity.
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Us military intelligence thinks so as well in sept 1941.
You have just found a massacre site in Poland and then you got confused.
Not a massacre site, it was a place of execution of partizan terrorists.


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Evidence has been presented that in September 1941, US army intelligence reports a Konzentrationslager TII near an Arbeitslager TI, with an extermination camp TIII; this correlates highly with the Polish Underground reporting of a konzentrationslager at Treblinka and plans to attack an extermination camp in the Czerwony bor forest some 50km away.

The presence of Zollgrenzschutz at Malkinia (customs) correlates with the presence of an Zoll officer at the Aktion Reinhardt camp Sobibor. All of these Aktion Reinhardt camps are on the borders of the Reich prior to Barbarossa and then on the Borders of the General Government. The General Government was a puppet state of the Reich.

The Reinhardt program was an economic initiative instigated by Fritz Reinhardt, State Secretary of the German Finance Ministry; Aktion Reinhardt was a part of the program.

Although many juden were evicted en masse being marched across the Bug and Sans river prior to Barbarossa; it seems that many became farmers for Uncle Joe Stalin. link

It has been mentioned that Juden were evicted, deported into the Polish territory left vacant by the fleeing Russians who had deported most of the population up to and during the events leading to Barbarossa. There was plenty of unused fertile land with unoccupied houses and farms. The usual bleating from one who slithers within these hallowed halls is "where is the evidence".
Has anyone here not heard the following message from a local deceiver:
How were the Nazis were able to transport, feed, clothe and accommodate those people, without leaving any evidence at all.
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They have also found no evidence of daily mass transports back out of TII.
Well it seems that these people walked as mentioned by die jΓΌdische Telegrafenagentur.

This is clear evidence that Juden were sent into what was Russian territory, not by train but by foot.


The JTA Daily News Bulletin dated Friday, Sept 25, 1942
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Sept 24, 1942. Notice, they are called deportees.
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This news clipping was originally posted in the thread "Where did they go". There is a constant mantra regarding not only Treblinka but all of the so called AR camps with such statements as:
How were the Nazis were able to transport, feed, clothe and accommodate those people, without leaving any evidence at all.
While evidence was presented to suggest that people were transported to a destination in Treblinka there is nothing to suggest it was a camp called Treblinka II; obviously in many instances inmates were transported to Treblinka 1 and the correctional or transit camp at Malkinia. The US intelligence mentions a TII Konzentrationslager which by definition is also a transit camp, or at least a section of it.

One of the obstacles presented regarding the transit hypothesis was the lack of evidence, which was speculated as being due to Soviet interdiction.

In the article above is clear indication that in 1942 juden were deported into what used to be Soviet Territory aka the Russian East. They walked but must have passed through Zoll points, or customs points like everyone who left the Reich; even soldiers and polizei were inspected by Zollgrenzschutz.

Those Zoll points were the AR camps, operated by Zollgrenzschutz and SS, The Reinhardt initiative as determined by Fritz Reinhardt and his band of merry men; customs officials.


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Huntinger wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:39 pm
Evidence has been presented that in September 1941, US army intelligence reports a Konzentrationslager TII near an Arbeitslager TI, with an extermination camp TIII; this correlates highly with the Polish Underground reporting of a konzentrationslager at Treblinka and plans to attack an extermination camp in the Czerwony bor forest some 50km away.
Your dates and locations are all mixed up.
The presence of Zollgrenzschutz at Malkinia (customs) correlates with the presence of an Zoll officer at the Aktion Reinhardt camp Sobibor. All of these Aktion Reinhardt camps are on the borders of the Reich prior to Barbarossa and then on the Borders of the General Government. The General Government was a puppet state of the Reich.
Where is your evidence that Malkinia was a customs post? Why were staff from the T4 euthanasia project working at Sobibor? What were the customs areas and where is evidence that the Nazis had different excise duties in their occupied territories?
The Reinhardt program was an economic initiative instigated by Fritz Reinhardt, State Secretary of the German Finance Ministry; Aktion Reinhardt was a part of the program.
AR was not merely an economic programme and there is no evidence it was initiated by Fritz Reinhardt.
Although many juden were evicted en masse being marched across the Bug and Sans river prior to Barbarossa; it seems that many became farmers for Uncle Joe Stalin. link

It has been mentioned that Juden were evicted, deported into the Polish territory left vacant by the fleeing Russians who had deported most of the population up to and during the events leading to Barbarossa. There was plenty of unused fertile land with unoccupied houses and farms. The usual bleating from one who slithers within these hallowed halls is "where is the evidence".
Has anyone here not heard the following message from a local deceiver:
How were the Nazis were able to transport, feed, clothe and accommodate those people, without leaving any evidence at all.
and
They have also found no evidence of daily mass transports back out of TII.
Well it seems that these people walked as mentioned by die jΓΌdische Telegrafenagentur.

This is clear evidence that Juden were sent into what was Russian territory, not by train but by foot.


The JTA Daily News Bulletin dated Friday, Sept 25, 1942
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Sept 24, 1942. Notice, they are called deportees.
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There is no evidence that people sent to the AR camps were then resettled as farmers.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Where is your evidence that Malkinia was a customs post?
One must assume literacy skills. ;)
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There are Zoll facilities in all of the so called AR camps. :P


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Huntinger wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:31 am
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This news clipping..
Is very vague and is merely stating that some movements were on foot, as the trains were so over crowded. Its geographical references also make sense. Where is "unoccupied Poland"?
.. was originally posted in the thread "Where did they go". There is a constant mantra regarding not only Treblinka but all of the so called AR camps with such statements as:
How were the Nazis were able to transport, feed, clothe and accommodate those people, without leaving any evidence at all.
While evidence was presented to suggest that people were transported to a destination in Treblinka there is nothing to suggest it was a camp called Treblinka II;
Not true. Stroop specifically refers to the camp as TII.
... obviously in many instances inmates were transported to Treblinka 1 and the correctional or transit camp at Malkinia.
There is evidence of daily mass transports to TII.
The US intelligence mentions a TII Konzentrationslager which by definition is also a transit camp, or at least a section of it.
The report merely lists three camps. The Americans are not naming the camps.
One of the obstacles presented regarding the transit hypothesis was the lack of evidence, which was speculated as being due to Soviet interdiction.

In the article above is clear indication that in 1942 juden were deported into what used to be Soviet Territory aka the Russian East.
That was the rumour, we know from the evidence that most did not make it to the Russian east as they were gassed at the AR camps. Meanwhile Jews already in the Russian east were being shot.
They walked but must have passed through Zoll points, or customs points like everyone who left the Reich; even soldiers and polizei were inspected by Zollgrenzschutz.
Yet no witness thought to mention that.
What customs areas functioned in Nazi occupied territory?
Those Zoll points were the AR camps, operated by Zollgrenzschutz and SS, ...
The Sobibor photos show staff from the T4 euthanasia project.
Why did no Nazi who worked at Sobibor claim it was a customs post?
To stay on topic, where is your evidence TII was a customs post?
The Reinhardt initiative as determined by Fritz Reinhardt and his band of merry men; customs officials.
Show me documentation where Fritz Reinhardt refers to customs areas and the gathering of duties.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Huntinger wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:59 am
Where is your evidence that Malkinia was a customs post?
One must assume literacy skills. ;)
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There are Zoll facilities in all of the so called AR camps. :P
That document does not evidence the actual Malkinia camp was a customs post.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Where is your evidence that Malkinia was a customs post?
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Malkinia is a little over 6km from Treblinka township. Today MaΕ‚kinia GΓ³rna is a large village in OstrΓ³w Mazowiecka County, Masovian Voivodeship, Poland, with about 6,000 inhabitants.

Malkinia was reported as a camp by the US intelligence in Sept 1941, along with Treblinka camps.
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The proximity to a Reich border would make this camp very likely to be a transit facility as well as konzentrationslager TII. The significant presence of Zollgrenzschutz (about 250) in the area would make this whole area a significant exit and entry point. Zoll officers are not border guards; these are the grenz polizei; the duty of customs officials then as now is to collect revenue and stop contraband,.


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