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Re: Where did they go

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Nessie weasel dodges again. What about the steam chambers?

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Eastern evacuations.

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Turnagain wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:48 pm
Nessie weasel dodges again. What about the steam chambers?
I am sure the chosen ones did not need to be "steam cleaned" for their journey to the east; a simple shower, head shaving and delousing should have been sufficient; the clothes would have been a different story, steam in lieu of an insecticide like ZyklonB. It is amazing that the two methods of disinfestation are claimed as means of extermination. Typhus and hygiene were a serious concern to the Reich; despite all the horror stories of filthy camps, they were in fact spotlessly clean as were the inmates (Häftlinge). There is a good degree of confidence that Korherr in his report was correct, despite the feeble expostulations to the contrary by the local hoaxer.
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1.449 million were transported to the Russian East with the proviso that 1.274 transiting through the GG camps via the 60 or so Zollgrenzschutz outposts. Another .145 million through the camps of Warthegau. Another 30 thousand were processed elsewhere.
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The main cities in Warthegau were Posen, Litzmannstadt and Kempen. This also included Kulmhof (Chelmno).

It will be off profound importance to speak of the people and events in Eastern Poland and Belarus. To stay on the border of the GG is a deliberate ploy by some to obscure an understanding of the real events.


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Re: Where did they go

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Huntinger wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:03 pm
Nessie wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:33 pm
You are not making any sense.
The point being made is the poster cannot understand the dynamics of the situation; his worldview is childlike and nothing to do with the complexity of the situation. Lets simplify it; there were a good number of Polish resistance groups some loyal to the exiled government, others to the Russians. Some partizani were loyal to the Reich. The atrocity propaganda was merely to gain attention, a strategic move for military gains. The Js were caught in between. This was so bad that the Bielski brothers in German occupied Poland had to take their 1,236 members to the Jasinowo and then Naliboki forest area, building a Shtetl in the middle of a large swamp; eventually with much conflict they sided with the Soviets, many who wanted to shoot them all.
I suggest one read the book on these people.

The Bielski brothers were murderers they killed some 12 people from a Belorussian family who had betrayed 2 J girls to the Germans; however, they were mainly concerned with survival.

Simply put the chosen ones were mainly expelled from the Reich as Korherr mentioned. What happened in Eastern Poland, now Belarus is the prime issue. Much of the chaos ensured when the Reich starting losing the Eastern front.
You are dodging dealing with what happened to the Jews in Nazi custody, registered and sent to ghettos in eastern Europe, between 1941 and 1945. Most of those ghettos had closed by the end of 1943, many of the residents having been sent to the AR camps. There is no evidence of the Nazis still accommodating all of those people in 1944.

You dodge that and waffle about the film Defiance and what you can plagiarise from Wikipedia on the Bielski brothers.
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Re: Where did they go

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Turnagain wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:48 pm
Nessie weasel dodges again. What about the steam chambers?
I answered you here;

viewtopic.php?p=177961#p177961

Both steam and gas chambers were claimed. Later enquiry found that the steam claims were wrong and it was gas that was used. Why are you still weasel dodging that?

Why are you weasel dodging the topic of the thread?
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
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Re: Eastern evacuations.

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Huntinger wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:23 pm
Turnagain wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:48 pm
Nessie weasel dodges again. What about the steam chambers?
I am sure the chosen ones did not need to be "steam cleaned" for their journey to the east; a simple shower, head shaving and delousing should have been sufficient; the clothes would have been a different story, steam in lieu of an insecticide like ZyklonB. It is amazing that the two methods of disinfestation are claimed as means of extermination. Typhus and hygiene were a serious concern to the Reich; despite all the horror stories of filthy camps, they were in fact spotlessly clean as were the inmates (Häftlinge). There is a good degree of confidence that Korherr in his report was correct, despite the feeble expostulations to the contrary by the local hoaxer.
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1.449 million were transported to the Russian East with the proviso that 1.274 transiting through the GG camps via the 60 or so Zollgrenzschutz outposts. Another .145 million through the camps of Warthegau. Another 30 thousand were processed elsewhere.
That was Jews, in Nazi custody transported by the end of 1943. Where were they being accommodated by the Nazis in the east in 1943?
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The main cities in Warthegau were Posen, Litzmannstadt and Kempen. This also included Kulmhof (Chelmno).

It will be off profound importance to speak of the people and events in Eastern Poland and Belarus. To stay on the border of the GG is a deliberate ploy by some to obscure an understanding of the real events.
Posen and Kempen were names of regions in Poland, not cities. Chelmno was a death camp where between 150,000 and 200,000 Jews were gassed in vans. Litzmannstadt, or the Lodz ghetto,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%81%C3 ... %BA_Ghetto

"It was the last ghetto in occupied Poland to be liquidated.[7] A total of 210,000 Jews passed through it;[4] but only 877 remained hidden when the Soviets arrived. About 10,000 Jewish residents of Łódź, who used to live there before the invasion of Poland, survived the Holocaust elsewhere."

All your attempts to suggest places where the Nazis resettled the Jews they had in their custody are fails.
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Nessie wrote:
Both steam and gas chambers were claimed. Later enquiry found that the steam claims were wrong and it was gas that was used. Why are you still weasel dodging that?
Uh-huh, later inquiries showed that both the steam and gas chambers were bullshit. There weren't any hermetically sealed gas/vacuum chambers. No burials, exhumations and cremations on the magic Jew barbeque.

Nessie can't come up with even two credible witnesses who support such lies but demands that we believe such egregious bullshit. There are credible witnesses who state that they were transported from Treblinka to other destinations. There were mass transports of deportees out of Treblinka which Nessie denies. Does he have any proof of that? Of course not. His claim is based on what people DIDN'T say. More of Nessie's, "The little boy rode his tricycle to the moon" reasoning. So it goes in holyhoax la-la land.

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Nessie wrote:
Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:11 pm
Posen and Kempen were names of regions in Poland, not cities.
Poznań is a city on the Warta River; Kępno is a town in Poland. It is these places I was referring to.
Chelmno was a death camp where between 150,000 and 200,000 Jews were gassed in vans. Litzmannstadt, or the Lodz ghetto,

An alleged death camp, it was also the site of a customs Zollgrenzschutz administration. From here people were transported directly to North Ost Lettland. It is only referred to as a death camp as this was the site of departure and not to the clouds. It is clear that they were transported in vans.
All your attempts to suggest places where the Nazis resettled the Jews they had in their custody are fails.
They were sent all over the East from Ostland to the bottom of the RKU; this is evidenced from the Zollgrenzschutz border posts to those areas.


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Members of Jüdische families of Themar between October 1941 and May 1945 The map below indicates the sites from which and to which the people were deported.
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From this point in some cases not much information is known but the following is true:
As previously mentioned Treblinka and Sobibor has Zollgrenzschutz (customs border) at Malkinia and Wlodawa a few kilometres away.
The maps shows Piaski as a final destination for some; as can be seen below there was also a Zollgrenzschutz customs office at that centre as well as indicated below.

Bialystok Customs Border Guard
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... chatted District Customs Office Kamionka (later handed over to HZA Grodno) District Customs Office Miedzyrzecz District Customs Office Piaski District Customs Office Rozana-Nord (Head of BZKom .

Some also went to Izbica which was a ghetto and only 40km away from Piaski; however the reports suggest that the people were deported to Belzec; which was also a customs outpost. This can be seen in the Zollgrenzschutz information below:
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Bełżyce where some were sent was also a ghetto, which was struck with Typhus. The inhabitants were sent to the Wlodawa deportation point 118km away; it is likely they transited through a Sobibor camp for deportation purposes first.


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Re: Eastern evacuations.

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Huntinger wrote:
Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:31 pm
Nessie wrote:
Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:11 pm
Posen and Kempen were names of regions in Poland, not cities.
Poznań is a city on the Warta River; Kępno is a town in Poland. It is these places I was referring to.
Chelmno was a death camp where between 150,000 and 200,000 Jews were gassed in vans. Litzmannstadt, or the Lodz ghetto,

An alleged death camp, it was also the site of a customs Zollgrenzschutz administration. From here people were transported directly to North Ost Lettland. It is only referred to as a death camp as this was the site of departure and not to the clouds. It is clear that they were transported in vans.
All your attempts to suggest places where the Nazis resettled the Jews they had in their custody are fails.
They were sent all over the East from Ostland to the bottom of the RKU; this is evidenced from the Zollgrenzschutz border posts to those areas.
Show me evidence that in 1943, Poznan, Kepno and Lodz had large Jewish populations resettled from the AR camps. Show evidence where Jews were resettled in 1943, from Ostland to the RKU.
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Turnagain wrote:
Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:43 pm
Nessie wrote:
Both steam and gas chambers were claimed. Later enquiry found that the steam claims were wrong and it was gas that was used. Why are you still weasel dodging that?
Uh-huh, later inquiries showed that both the steam and gas chambers were bullshit. There weren't any hermetically sealed gas/vacuum chambers. No burials, exhumations and cremations on the magic Jew barbeque.
Show me your evidence as to what did happen inside the AR camps and A-B kremas.
Nessie can't come up with even two credible witnesses who support such lies but demands that we believe such egregious bullshit. There are credible witnesses who state that they were transported from Treblinka to other destinations. There were mass transports of deportees out of Treblinka which Nessie denies.
There is evidence that 1% of arrivals then left. You dodge that there is no evidence for the other 99% and there is evidence they did not leave.
Does he have any proof of that? Of course not. His claim is based on what people DIDN'T say. More of Nessie's, "The little boy rode his tricycle to the moon" reasoning. So it goes in holyhoax la-la land.
Those who worked inside TII didn't say it was a transit camp. Those who worked outside TII did say that empty trains left the camp, or those trains only carried property. I am basing my beliefs on what is and what is not evidenced.

You demand belief in what you cannot evidence to have happened. So it goes in denier la-la land.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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