U.S. intelligence claimed that there were three Treblinka camps. The penal camp (T-1), the concentration camp (T-II) and T-III, the extermination camp located about 30 miles from T-II.It is Huntinger who claims TIII is in Czernowy Bor, not US intelligence, who listed three camps at Treblinka, a labour camp, a death camp and a trasit camp.
LOL! Nessie pretends that his map is the one and only true map of T-II as it existed in 1942-43. Gee, that's just soooooo convincing, Nessie. Anyone who claimed to have spent more than a few hours in T-II is a liar...according to Nessie.If someone stayed for 8 days, where did they stay?
I don't have to prove or "evidence" that ANY of the deportees were in T-II. The deportees SAID they were in T-II so unless you can conclusively prove them to be lying or mistaken that's where they were.You have only got one witness who you can conclusively evidence was in TII.
First, they aren't my claims. They are claims made by the deportees. Second, what makes you think that I'm required to answer all of your "what ifs", "coulda woulda" and whatever other mindless speculations you can imagine?You hate being asked to prove your claims. Why is that?
First of all, your objections to Kulawy's claims are unproven. Your claim that there's only one map of T-II is bullshit. Second, he didn't say that trainloads of people were kept at T-II. He said that he left with a trainload of men, women and children. How many trains arrived and departed during those eight days is unknown.My objections to Kulawy's claim he was at TII are;
- no accommodation for anyone other than camp workers, to keep trainloads of people for 8 days
- no reference to the train station in the camp
- no evidence of transports arriving at A-B from TII
You ignore that and a few post later pretend that I have not explained to you the problems with his claim.
One person referenced the train station at T-II. Are you actually claiming that the other 19 witnesses lied about being in T-II because they didn't mention the train station?
There's only 412 records of people from T-II arriving at Majdanek and none for Budzyn or the other camps. What's your point?
U.S. intelligence said that there were three (3) Treblinka camps. T-I, the penal camp, T-II, the concentration camp, and T-III the execution facility located about 30 miles from T-II.US Intelligence did locate the third camp in Czerwony Bor, Huntinger did.
Your claim that T-II had no barracks for deportees is idle speculation.TI or Malkinia are the only two camps with barracks that could accommodate people being transited. It is more likely those being transited were kept at Malkinia.
The impossible fantasies told by the alleged eyewitnesses are proof that nobody was steamed/gassed/vacuumed at T-II. Get over it.Your unevidenced arguments from logical fallacies is not proof of no gassings at TII.
According to you they must have been steamed/gassed/vacuumed at T-II. Buried in an unknown number of giant mass graves, exhumed whole with some kind of mystery machine and cremated without any fuel on the magic Jew barbeque. Unless thousands of tons of firewood was secretly shipped into T-II as you sometimes claim. Just curious but do you actually expect people to believe such mindless claptrap?As I said, I am happy to accept that only 412 people went from TII to Majdanek. That leaves you with a problem, what happened to the rest?
(Shrug)I cannot find the records you claim are there. It is you who I do not believe.
Kulawy testified to leaving T-II in a trainload of men, women and children. Helen Schwartz testified that she left with a trainload of all women. Zabecki testified that a trainload was as many as 8,000-10,000 people. Abe Kon testified before Lukaszkiewicz that he arrived at T-II in a train of 60 cars. There are claims of between 100 to 200 men, women and children were forced into a single box car. Between the two trainloads plus the number of people mentioned by the other deportees plus the unknown number that left with the deportees mentioned in the USHMM records, 12,000-15,000 is a conservative estimate for those known to have transited through T-II.How do you know that? You have records for 412 to Majdanek and you claim records for another 5 who went elsewhere. Using your standard, you have only evidence for 417. If you collate the number of people that the witnesses who went to Majdanek said they went with, that then means we can account for 2-3,000.
There is neither documentary nor witness evidence for the rest. But you demand we believe they also went.
According to Huntinger there were 708 camps located in the General Government. They could have easily accommodated the ~840,000 from T-II. Since you have no proof for where even the 12,000-15,000 went, save the 412 records from Majdanek, why do you demand an itinerary and records of maintenance for the ~840,000? The camps in the GG had enough capacity for the ~840,000 and more.It is not a bogus demand, it is perfectly reasonable to ask you to evidence your claims. Out of 840,000 there is documentary evidence that 412 were transported to Majdanek and witness evidence that 2-3000 were on those transports. Something that you ignore is that Majdanek could accommodate 150,000, so it could easily take the 2-3000 from TII.
Anyone reading this will see just how bogus your demand for an exact accounting of the ~840,000 is.