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Turnagain's Judicial Notice

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On the David Baddiel topic thread, Turnagain decided he would do his usual and turn the topic into an off-topic demand to explain the 'Floss method' or 'Magic Jew BBQ' blah blah ( for which I believe he is guilty of doing on every thread he visits. Ho hum, it takes all sorts as my Nan used to say).

One of the other off-topic comments he made was in regards to the West German Trials of the 1960's, when I asked him why not one of the Nazi perpetrators ever bothered to think it would be a good idea to offer the 'revisionist version' of events, ie to claim there were no mass exterminations in gas chambers or mass cremations of dead bodies etc.

According to Turnagain, one of the reasons for this was because 'judicial notice was taken' ! Here is Turnagain going into more detail :
As far as the witch trials, I call them that for their very real relationship to medieval witch trials. Just as the medieval witch trials took judicial notice of Satan being a physical presence in the world which could not be denied by the defendants, so did the Nazi trials of the 60s take judicial notice of the holyhoax. Denying that "it happened" wasn't a legal option.
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Listen up, little man. The courts had taken judicial notice of the holyhoax. Can you comprehend what that means? It means that saying that it didn't happen isn't a legal defense. The defendants could NOT tell the truth under such a legal restriction. In addition, claiming that the holyhoax didn't happen was a separate and punishable offense. Testimony given under such witch trial rules would be null and void in any court operating in service to justice. The holyhoax courts were operating in service to Jew revenge. Not quite the same thing.
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Now when I challenged Turnagain to back up his claim that Judicial notice was taken , he responded by producing zero, and then demanded I produced 'proof' that Judicial notice was NOT taken :roll: :roll: :roll: Here is his his exact words :
Prove it. Are you going to say that judicial notice wasn't taken of evidence presented by any government at the Nuremberg marsupial escapades, too? Don't forget to quote your credible survivors, either.
viewtopic.php?p=166110#p166110

So Turnagain, here's your second chance to prove that Judicial notice was taken in the 1960's West German trials , as you have claimed . The stage is yours :


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So, Lupus, here's your chance to prove that judicial notice wasn't taken of the holyhoax during the 1960's witch trials. Have at it. "The stage is yours".

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Turnagain wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:00 pm
So, Lupus, here's your chance to prove that judicial notice wasn't taken of the holyhoax during the 1960's witch trials. Have at it. "The stage is yours".
All of the trials have been witch trials. An interesting point are the Treblinka trials; lets look at the outcomes.
  • Kurt Franz..28 years inside
  • Otto Horn..acquitted
  • Erwin Labert... 4 years
  • Heinrich Matthes...life
  • Willie Mentz..life
  • August Miete...life
  • Gustav Münzberger...life served 6 years
  • Albert Rum...3 years
  • Otto Stadie...6 years
  • Franz Suchomel...7 years
  • Kurt Küttner...died
These trials were held in Dusseldorf' the average imprisonment time for the deaths of an alleged 850 000 Juden is 12 years
which mean each death is worth 1.41 x 10-5 years or 7.42 minutes. The courts got something right about the worth of each Jude.


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Turnagain wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:00 pm
So, Lupus, here's your chance to prove that judicial notice wasn't taken of the holyhoax during the 1960's witch trials. Have at it. "The stage is yours".
So, even after I set up your own special little thread , you still have failed to provide evidence for your original claim that 'judicial notice' was in place during the 1960's Nazi trials. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Man, it don't look good for you does it ? I mean, it looks like you made the whole thing up !!!!!! Surely a respected, un-biased and well researched individual like you wouldn't do something like that ? .....Would you ?

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Lupus Rothstein wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:19 pm
So, even after I set up your own special little thread , you still have failed to provide evidence for your original claim that 'judicial notice' was in place during the 1960's Nazi trials. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Man, it don't look good for you does it ? I mean, it looks like you made the whole thing up !!!!!! Surely a respected, un-biased and well researched individual like you wouldn't do something like that ? .....Would you ?
Yes it does look good for him and it does not look like he made it all up; clearly that is your perception looking through those zionist tinted glasses. How would someone like yourself understand unbiased research when most of the alleged holocaust is clearly fabricated. An impasse has been reached it would seem.


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Lupus wrote:
So, even after I set up your own special little thread , you still have failed to provide evidence for your original claim that 'judicial notice' was in place during the 1960's Nazi trials. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Man, it don't look good for you does it ? I mean, it looks like you made the whole thing up !!!!!! Surely a respected, un-biased and well researched individual like you wouldn't do something like that ? .....Would you ?
No, Lupus, I wouldn't just make the whole thing up. Most trials merely cited the Nuremberg precedent.
Article 21 of the IMT Statute:

"The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge but shall take judicial notice thereof. It shall also take judicial notice of official governmental documents and reports of the United Nations, including the acts and documents of the committees set up in the various allied countries for the investigation of war crimes, and of records and findings of military and other Tribunals of any of the United Nations"
For a more comprehensive overview of "Judicial Notice" go here:
https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relev ... ial+notice+
There are 138 entries for "judicial notice". Here is a quote from just one:
Judge Thomas immediately dove for cover and hid behind the principle of "judicial notice", which is a rarely used concept in Canadian court tradition-but which occurs routinely in Revisionist trials in Germany, Austria and Switzerland.
It's now time for you to support your claim that "judicial notice" wasn't a factor in the German witch trials of the 1960s. Let's see what ya' got, Lupus.

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Harrison fails against Graf on the German trials
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NOT ALL WEST GERMAN TRIALS TOOK JUDICIAL NOTICE OF THE HOLOCAUST AND IN FACT SOME LAWYERS FOR DEFENDANTS MANAGED TO EXPOSE OUTRIGHT JEWISH AND POLISH LIES/PROPAGANDA IN OPEN COURT!!! It doesn't mean that SOME trials with CERTAIN judges were corrupt. That's possible. Not all were clean and not all were rigged either.
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In fact, the immediate post war trials were SO CONCERNED with ACTUAL EVIDENCE that they refused to admit ACTUAL EVIDENCE and often relied on ONLY "CERTIFIED TRUE COPIES" INSTEAD OF ORIGINALS!!!

Example:
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On March 14, 1946 two days after his capture, at 2:30 in the morning, Rudolf Höss signed an 8 page typed text document written in German. The document lacked any form of formatting, headings or printed administrative references and was littered with hand written corrections. The document was also signed by two witnesses – British sergeants and a captain of the 92nd Field Security Section, who certified that the prisoner made his statement voluntarily. The captain dated his signature March 14, but one of the witnessing officers dated it March 15. The document does not bear any indication of place where it was signed. Remember the dates – March 14 or 15.

Then on April 5, 1946 Rudolf Höss signed a 20 pages long affidavit written in English – language he did not speak. He signed the affidavit under oath, even though it was written in the language of his captors, not his own.

In order to hide that Rudolf Höss had signed an affidavit in language he did not speak, the original text was recast and presented as “translation” into English from German. However during the hasty attempt to hide the deception, mistakes were made so the handwritten addition to paragraph 10 was mistakenly added to the end of paragraph 9, rendering the paragraph incomprehensible. It was the forgery that was used before the Nuremberg tribunal.

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So, Werd, does article 21 of the IMT charter actually exist? Was that precedent applied in some/most/all of the 1960s witchcraft trials?

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Turnagain wrote:
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So, Werd, does article 21 of the IMT charter actually exist?
Yep. Don't forget about the famous Article 19 either.
Was that precedent applied in some/most/all of the 1960s witchcraft trials?
I don't know if a few corrupt judges in West German trials decided to take "judicial notice" just because it was already done at IMT. Possible. Maybe they derived their own idea to do it from within themselves and not from something without. Hell, even in Canada's second Ernst Zundel trial, judicial notice was taken of the holocaust. They do it now in every European country where revisionists are put on trial for their writings. When Germar Rudolf was first on trial, judicial notice was taken of the holocaust. The fact that you can't deny or question the holocaust BECAUSE IT'S THE LAW, what it means is that THE LAW ITSELF, not individual judges, take notice of the holocaust.

The fact that Lupus Rothstein is going to sit here and act like not one trial anywhere has ever taken judicial notice of the holocaust shows either how dishonest or shamefully ignorant he is.

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