Lupus Israel wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:34 pm
Quite frankly, after my time reading the posts by Werd and Turnagain, I have realised that it’s just going to be a waste of my time even responding to any Holocaust denier because his mind is full of racism, antisemitism, and of a conspiracy theories mindset.
Holocaust deniers want to have their cake and eat it. They demand for people who accept the Holocaust happened to prove certain things, but they quite happily accept certain things which have no evidence to prove them.
I’m not interested in reading anymore antisemitism and racism so before I waste anymore of my time on Holocaust deniers, goodbye.
No doubt Werd and Turnagain will think of themselves as victorious or something along those lines because they can’t comprehend that sane people have better things to do with their time than waste their time reading posts by lunatics.
Hello, Friend. Welcome to the forum.
I'm one of the least likely to subscribe to conspiracy-theories. Some paradigms are admittedly more useful than others. However, hopefully, we can still arrive at some thumbnail sketches about History, "the way it really was."
Let's get some of the big bugaboos out of the way first?
I don't "own" History and I really don't think Jews do either. Owning the media and running academia is not quite the same thing as having an unknowable, almighty God at your beck and call. But I could be wrong.
1) Racism is when White people advocate for and vigorously assert their interests, and 2) anti-Semitism is when someone says something that Jews (or at least the Anti-Defamation League) don't like.
I agree with the catchy cliche of the late Holocaust Revisionist, Mr. Friedrich Paul Berg, the Columbia-educated engineer who said that "Nazi Gassings Never Happened." And to that extent the Allied, Soviet, and Jewish narratives about what DID happen during the war were very often blatantly "Hoaxed."
Lots of very, very bad things happen during wars. It is not the Revisionists who have made a religion out of it.
Is this a conspiracy-theory? Well, not exactly.
We can dive into the weeds on details─that is where the Devil is really to be found─but my view is that the Big-H is not a Monolith. The Holocaust is no more a Monolith than any other phenomena with human aspects and real-world dimensions.
Since I do not regard the Big-H as a "Monolith," it is not possible to "Deny" it. That would be too reductionist to make any sense.
Like anything else, some things are true and others are most clearly NOT true. The Scientific Method makes a good lodestar.
But to try to question the Holocaust is the biggest sacrilege of our times.
We can't even get the Believers to agree on a comprehensive historical narrative for the Big-H.
Or perhaps I should say, getting the Believers to formally define their liturgical catechism, lest Holocaust premises could be contingently falsified─and thus tested─is notably challenging, because the thing about History is that it involves complex viewpoints, and historians just don't agree. Certainly they disagree no less than scientists do in the so-call Hard disciplines.
So Historians disagree─all except for the Holocaust, that is.
The Holocaust, that you must Believe, with a capital B.
The Holocaust is unique for some reason. With the Holocaust you have to agree or else you are the embodiment of something really, really bad.
Holocaust Believers are therefore some of the most rigid reductionists that you will ever find. It is they who are the narrow-minded Theologians of our times. Even the most skeptical Skeptics must concede that they COULD be wrong. That is not ever possible with the Holocaust; it is either Believer or Denier, and that is why it is a Faith-based manichean system and not an empirical and scientific one.
Mr. Baddiel is like most Believers in the Holocaust theology in that they think that the Jews OWN History, and that Gentiles unequivocally OWE the Jews somehow. If we are talking Jews, then, the gaschambers can't be wrong. The mythology is just "true," and most especially so if it didn't even happen.
Prof. of Judaism, Dr. Deborah Lipstadt may be correct in that there is no rational argument to be had here with the Revisionists, they who are beyond the pale of submission to her unknowable, almighty Holocaust deity.
Any Revision is therefore by definition, Blasphemy.
But I reject that. Reasonable people can agree to disagree about many things.
Sure, this idea is not easy. I can certainly attest to that being the case.