Carl Richard Baker wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:33 pm
I spoke to Dr. Nick Terry about David Baddiel recently and he told me Baddiel’s Holocaust knowledge is above average. Therefore it is clear to me Baddiel is well aware of who the real revisionists are. I hear Baddiel is a household name over in Britain and this is probably why Asher and Jeffk1970 were so desperate to derail this topic. An in-depth discussion on the cyanide chemistry of the gas chamber walls is not likely to interest a casual visitor to this forum. However, Brits learning a television celebrity had deliberately deceived them may have had their interest piqued.
Nick Terry wrote:
Baddiel's knowledge of the Holocaust by conventional standards is above average, but a well-informed person still won't know the minutiae of denier arguments.
This I see as a huge part of the problem: viz. ‘the Holocaust’
is repeatedly referred to, but no-one spells out exactly what they mean by the term.
The reason presumably is because no-one agrees exactly what it is that is being referred to.
It's just an emotive, catch-all term for 'ANY Jewish experience during WW2 or even earlier.
So how can anybody be a denier
of something as all inclusive as that?
Something that I attempted to discuss with Nick Terry on the phony 'skeptics' forum, but to no avail.
Which is why I regard this BBC programme's title as so deceptive: 'confronting holocaust denial'
They didn't dare even define
it, let alone confront
No wonder. There is not even any agreement on when it
— THE Holocaust’ — even started.
Did it start in 1933, or before, or 1941, or 1942?
Was it the 'final solution' to eradicate
Or the 'final solution to exile
all Jews and kill just the ones regarded as useless eaters?
Was it a plan to exterminate every Jew on the planet? Or was it just some forced emigration and forced labour policy that got out of control unintentionally?
Was it the systematic mass-murder of Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, Russian PoWs, Poles, Slavs AND a whole host of other alleged undesirables allegedly deemed untermensch
and also allegedly slated for annihilation?
Or was it just the experiences of Jews?
of it planned? Or did it all
just sort of happen haphazadly and unintentionally?
Were 'experts' from the T-4 euthanasia project purposefully employed to further their tried-and-tested 'expertise' in mass murder? Or did people like Höß, Wirth, Globocnik, Thomalla, Lambert, Stangl, Franz,etc., make it up as they went along?
Were 4 million deliberately murdered in this planned or unintended genocide? Or was it six million? Or eleven million or eighteen million?
Who knows? No-one can objectively, absolutely and authoritatively answer any of those questions.
No-one knows and no-ne CAN
KNOW, because the term is used differently by different people to refer to different categories of war-time deaths.
Meanwhile Dr. Terry believes and states that David Baddiel's knowledge of this vague, all-purpose, undefined something is “above average”!
He did not show any “above average” knowledge of the Auschwitz camp. He thought the existence of a swimming pool there was laughable.
Nor did he show any knowledge of the capacity of cremation muffles. He referred to that as 'all lies' and 'shit'.
Nor did he show that he knew anything at all about Chelmno. Nothing at all!!
So what is the criteria for “above average knowledge”? Nick appears to be admitting that the bar is very, very, very low.
Concerning Baddiel specifically, what does Nick Terry base his assessment upon?
Nick Terry wrote:...Baddiel had made a documentary about relatives of his from Koenigsberg who were forced to leave in the 1930s after their businesses were 'Aryanised', some others ended up in the Warsaw ghetto IIRC, so he was especially knowledgeable on these things when we talked off-camera and he asked me about them.
THAT — knowing about your own relatives' movements and experiences — if
they were Jewish — in Dr.Terry's view means “above average knowledge” of THE Holocaust!!!
Nick Terry wrote:
He'd also clearly learned new things en route when they went to Lithuania and to Lodz/Chelmno. The Holocaust is a big subject
Ha ha. No kidding.
https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic. ... 73#p760773
Nick Terry wrote:The production team was like other TV companies I've dealt with in the past 20+ years; none of them would have some kind of topic expert along to advise on a daily basis, they consult with academics and experts, and let producers, researchers, directors do the basic research in order to work out who to contact. Journalists for newspapers/magazines are not much different.
The team had actually come across my work both on the history of the Holocaust as well as on Holocaust denial, via a recent article I published about deception and cover-up attempts at Chelmno, which Baddiel himself had read, as they visited that camp site when filming; and a chapter in a collection on Holocaust and genocide denial I co-edited. I was also recommended by someone else they interviewed, so was contacted both at work and via my personal email.
And still they chose Dermot Mulqueen to represent and speak for ALL people who have ANY questions, doubts, skepticism and rival understandings.