Aktion Reinhardt was named after Fritz Reinhardt- not Reinhard Heydrich

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Re: Aktion Reinhardt was named after Fritz Reinhardt- not Reinhard Heydrich

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Turnagain wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:50 pm
Nessie wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:29 pm
Turnagain wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:06 pm
Nessie wrote:
You are back to claiming there is more than one copy of the Stroop Report, the original and the counterfeits!
Listen up you moron. There doesn't have to be an original for someone to counterfeit/forge a document. Didn't you even read the dictionary definition?
Counterfeit means "made in exact imitation of something". Forgery means "the action of forging a copy or imitation of a document, signature, banknote, or work of art." Both mean copying something an original. You are clueless :lol:
Let's see your source for those definitions. As far as a forged document having to have an original just do a search on "intestate" and "forged wills".
They were the top google searches. The Cambridge dictionary definitions are;

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... ounterfeit

"counterfeit
adjective
uk
/ˈkaʊn.tə.fɪt/ us
/ˈkaʊn.t̬ɚ.fɪt/
made to look like the original of something, usually for dishonest or illegal purposes"

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... sh/forgery

forgery
noun [ C or U ]
uk
/ˈfɔː.dʒər.i/ us
/ˈfɔːr.dʒɚ.i/
C2
an illegal copy of a document, painting, etc. or the crime of making such illegal copies"

When you claimed the Stroop Report was a forgery, you were claiming someone had copied the original :lol:
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Re: Aktion Reinhardt was named after Fritz Reinhardt- not Reinhard Heydrich

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Huntinger wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:53 pm
Nessie wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:29 pm

Counterfeit means "made in exact imitation of something". Forgery means "the action of forging a copy or imitation of a document, signature, banknote, or work of art." Both mean copying something an original. You are clueless :lol:
Albert Ganzenmüller letter said:
A train carrying 5,000 Jews has run daily since 22 July from Warsaw to Treblinka via Malkinia; furthermore, another train has run twice a week with 5,000 Jews from Przemysl to Belzec...The latter is in agreement that transport from Warsaw to Sobibor via Lublin should continue while the reconstruction work on this stretch renders such movements impossible ([until] approximately October 1942)

Karl Wolff replied 13 August 1942:

… I note with particular pleasure from your communication that a train with 5,000 members of the chosen race has been running daily for 14 days and that we are accordingly in a position to continue with this population movement at an accelerated pace. […]

The first transport of 1500 villagers to Bobruysk was on 28-29 May 1942 to the camp in Bobruysk a few months before Treblinka II apparently became operational (23 July 1942); this was the first mass deportation from the Warsaw Ghetto. The second transport left the Warsaw ghetto at the end of July 1942. The second transport had 1400 villagers according to the Warsaw judenrat.

According to the Zollgrenzschutz archives there are only two exit point to Ostland from the General Government; Malkinia (Treblinka) and Wlodawa (Sobibor), the southern point to the Ukraine being Belzec; these three exit points are mentioned in the letter by Albert Ganzenmüller; it would stand to reason that due to reconstruction works on the Warsaw-Malkinia line that Sobibor would become the only exit point in the interim. These works occurred about the time of the Bobruysk transports from Warsaw.

This does not detract from the fact that the Höfle telegram has the inscription Bezug: dort. Fs. Zugang bis
.(dates).... whether or not Fs means Fährt Sortierzentrum or 'travels to sorting centre' is open to debate, but concurs exactly with what PrudentRegret has concluded after his extensive investigations. Because the translator had no idea what Fs meant, they simply put the words Recorded Arrivals, which is more or less correct, but to where, to the sorting place or Sortierzentrum.

Trainloads of villagers also left Warsaw to exit the General Government to arrive at the Smolensk judenlagers.
Ganzenmuller corroborates Stroop, Hofle, Korherr and the various ghetto records of mass transports of people to B, S and TII. Prudent Regret's attempt to claim those camps were purely for sorting and no one went there is debunked.
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Nessie wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:30 pm
Ganzenmuller corroborates Stroop, Hofle, Korherr and the various ghetto records of mass transports of people to B, S and TII. Prudent Regret's attempt to claim those camps were purely for sorting and no one went there is debunked.
Sadly for you and the team of Klowns at Klowns PrudentRegret's investigations are not debunked; on the contrary the chimps are rattling the cage over there :D

No one is saying that there were not transports to the border exit points; this is established by Zisholtz, Lublinitzki, Wachsman, Fabishevitz, Mane who were sent to Bobruysk from Warsaw via one of the exit points of the General Government.

The camps Sobibor, Treblinka and Belzec were all Sortierzentrum (sorting centres) for both villagers and their belongings; they are all close to the Customs border outposts of Malkinia, Wlodawa and Belzec. The sorting of valuables and clothes is well established not only be PR but by the the Klowns themselves:
Nessie at Klowns wrote:Part of the evidence for property sorting at the AR camps, since no photos were allowed there, is from the witnesses who worked there. They all say that after the Jews had been stripped of everything and were naked, they were sent to be gassed. The property was then bundled up and put on trains, there is little evidence of sorting beyond, for example, ensuring shoes were paired, as reported by Abraham Krzepicki.
There is much evidence of sorting. It would appear that Nessies selective memory is being at its defective best once more.
Sobibor Survivor reports say the following about removal and sorting:
Selma Wijnberg: I worked mainly in the sorting barracks in Lager II at Sobibor, where the belongings of the victims - suitcases, bedding, rucksacks - were taken as quickly as possible.

Ursula Stern...Ursula and others were put to work in the sorting barracks in Lager II Sobibor...The work in Lager II included sorting the clothes and possessions that the victims had been told to leave behind in the undressing area.

Mirjam Penha...Mirjam and the other women who were selected to work, were taken to a barracks where they had to hand over their jewels and other personal belongings.

Jetse Veterman... ‘They took everything from us, luggage, jewellery, etc. Hundreds of Polish Jewesses who were also put to work sorting clothes,

These people for the most part moved on, some of the Sobibor Survivors stole the jewels and money intended for the Reich; what is clear is that after the sorting these people moved on to arbeitslagers.

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From the Cambridge dictionary:
forge
Jakemes succeeds in forging an unforgettable legend in which poetry becomes history, and love is glorified in death.
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and,
forgery
Too much in this work seems to be dismissed as forgery and interpolation.
From the Cambridge English Corpus
As I said, a person who dies intestate can have FORGED will(s) presented as claims on an estate. No will exists but FORGERIES are presented as proof of claims.

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Turnagain wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:46 am
As I said, a person who dies intestate can have FORGED will(s) presented as claims on an estate. No will exists but FORGERIES are presented as proof of claims.
Nessie has taken you down one of his rabbit holes to derail the thread. We all know that lots of villagers went to the border camps, many were evicted, many were sent within. The lagers appear to be solely sorting camps for both people, goods and those destined for aktion 14f13 . It takes time for the sorting to be done, so from Treblinka once the train has left, even if it picked up goods and people from T1, it would be a relatively simple matter to truck the people to Malkinia to go East, West or South once the classification was done. This is the only variable that fits all parameters. Einsat camps were named after Fritz Reinhardt for economic reasons for goods, money, jewels and utilization of labour according to the 4 year plan and expediency of the war effort. From Treblinka to Malkinia customs the distance is a little over 6 km (4 miles), Sobibor to Wlodawa customs is about 7km or 5 miles, Belzec to Belzec customs is self explanatory.

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Yes, PR has done yeoman's work of showing that the AR camps were indeed named for Fritz Reinhardt rather than for Reinhard Heydrich. The Klowns can froth and foam to their heart's content but trying to say that the AR camps were named for Heydrich using only his first name is asinine from the get-go. That may be OK for "Jim's Gym" or "Joe's Diner" but for an official government program? That's like calling the Lincoln memorial "Abraham's memorial". It just doesn't make any sense. If that were a normal naming convention we would have "George D.C.".

A heartfelt "Thanks" to PR and you and screw the slack-wits at the Klown's forum.

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Turnagain wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:27 am
A heartfelt "Thanks" to PR and you and screw the slack-wits at the Klown's forum.
PrudentRegret has the 'Klowns' upside down, balls in the air, salivating, screaming at the cages they invented for themselves, an agglutinate of their own slobber. One of the 'Killer Blows' PR made, was the alleged exterminations at Auschwitz complex where AR only meant property plunder and not the killing of villagers.
The murder of villagers is only ER if it occurred at the border camps which the Dutch Survivors all reports as sorting facilities.
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Huntinger wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:14 pm
Nessie wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:30 pm
Ganzenmuller corroborates Stroop, Hofle, Korherr and the various ghetto records of mass transports of people to B, S and TII. Prudent Regret's attempt to claim those camps were purely for sorting and no one went there is debunked.
Sadly for you and the team of Klowns at Klowns PrudentRegret's investigations are not debunked; on the contrary the chimps are rattling the cage over there :D

No one is saying that there were not transports to the border exit points
Prudent Regret is. Your inability to keep up with the debate and understand it, is noted. Hence you plagiarise to try and make out that yo do understand..... :roll:
; this is established by Zisholtz, Lublinitzki, Wachsman, Fabishevitz, Mane who were sent to Bobruysk from Warsaw via one of the exit points of the General Government.

The camps Sobibor, Treblinka and Belzec were all Sortierzentrum (sorting centres) for both villagers and their belongings; they are all close to the Customs border outposts of Malkinia, Wlodawa and Belzec. The sorting of valuables and clothes is well established not only be PR but by the the Klowns themselves:
Nessie at Klowns wrote:Part of the evidence for property sorting at the AR camps, since no photos were allowed there, is from the witnesses who worked there. They all say that after the Jews had been stripped of everything and were naked, they were sent to be gassed. The property was then bundled up and put on trains, there is little evidence of sorting beyond, for example, ensuring shoes were paired, as reported by Abraham Krzepicki.
There is much evidence of sorting. It would appear that Nessies selective memory is being at its defective best once more.
Sobibor Survivor reports say the following about removal and sorting:
Selma Wijnberg: I worked mainly in the sorting barracks in Lager II at Sobibor, where the belongings of the victims - suitcases, bedding, rucksacks - were taken as quickly as possible.

Ursula Stern...Ursula and others were put to work in the sorting barracks in Lager II Sobibor...The work in Lager II included sorting the clothes and possessions that the victims had been told to leave behind in the undressing area.

Mirjam Penha...Mirjam and the other women who were selected to work, were taken to a barracks where they had to hand over their jewels and other personal belongings.

Jetse Veterman... ‘They took everything from us, luggage, jewellery, etc. Hundreds of Polish Jewesses who were also put to work sorting clothes,

These people for the most part moved on, some of the Sobibor Survivors stole the jewels and money intended for the Reich; what is clear is that after the sorting these people moved on to arbeitslagers.
What then happened to the naked people sent down the tube at Sobibor?

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... le/sobibor

"Camp II comprised the reception area. Guards forced arriving Jewish prisoners into this area after they disembarked from the transports. This part of the complex housed the undressing barracks. It also contained the storehouses which held the victims’ clothes and belongings.
In the northwestern corner of Camp II, a narrow, enclosed path connected the reception area with Camp III. This path was termed the “tube” [“Schlauch,” in German].
Camp III was the killing area. This is where the gas chambers and burial pits were located."
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Turnagain wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:46 am
From the Cambridge dictionary:
forge
Jakemes succeeds in forging an unforgettable legend in which poetry becomes history, and love is glorified in death.
From the Cambridge English Corpus
and,
forgery
Too much in this work seems to be dismissed as forgery and interpolation.
From the Cambridge English Corpus
As I said, a person who dies intestate can have FORGED will(s) presented as claims on an estate. No will exists but FORGERIES are presented as proof of claims.
If there was no will in the first place, then it would be a faked will. If there is a will and that is copied, but altered slightly, that could be described as a forged will. The Stroop Report is not a fake or a forgery.
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Nessie wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:49 am

If there was no will in the first place, then it would be a faked will. If there is a will and that is copied, but altered slightly, that could be described as a forged will. The Stroop Report is not a fake or a forgery.
This is totally off topic, mentioned to the target audience who agreed. This poster Nessie ignores and continues to burrow.

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