Sobibor Photos

Discuss the alleged Nazi genocide or other wartime atrocities without fear of censorship. No bullying of fellow posters is allowed at RODOH. If you can't be civil, please address the argument and not the participants. Do not use disparaging alterations of the user-names of other RODOH posters or their family members. Failure to heed warnings from Moderators will result in a 24 hour ban (or longer if necessary).
User avatar
Scott
Site Admin
Posts: 2287
Joined: Tue May 15, 2012 2:43 am
Location: USA, West of the Pecos
Contact:

Re: Sobibor Photos

Post by Scott » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:42 am

Nessie wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:49 am

There were customs officers at Sobibor, as part of the massive theft of property from the Jewish people by the Nazis. The Nazis were murderous thieves.


Curious that the Holocaust Industry does not have so much confidence in that Reinhardt (with a t for taxman, Mr. Thief) narrative─hence the Industry's insistence that the so-called "pure extermination camps," as Israeli spook Yitzhak Arad called them, were named after Reich secret police main-man Heydrich's Christian name, Reinhard.

This lands home another golden observation. Inventing the Pure Extermination Camps storyline rather begs the question about whatever iceberg finally sank Battleship Auschwitz, as David Irving called it, the former flagship of the holy Holocaust retinue.

:)

Image

“Now we have forced Hitler to war so he no longer can peacefully annihilate one piece of the Treaty of Versailles after the other.”
~ Major General J.F.C. Fuller,
historian – England

User avatar
Nessie
Posts: 27946
Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:00 pm
Contact:

Re: Sobibor Photos

Post by Nessie » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:06 am

That at the AR camps, the gassings have attracted more attention that the theft of property is hardly surprising.

Oskar Groening's trial shed some more light on the massive theft perpetrated by the Nazis at A-B. Maybe the Sobibor photos will do the same for that camp.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

User avatar
Huntinger
Posts: 6065
Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:56 am
Location: Gasthaus Waldesruh. Swabia
Contact:

Re: Sobibor Photos

Post by Huntinger » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:38 pm

Nessie wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:06 am
That at the AR camps, the gassings have attracted more attention that the theft of property is hardly surprising.

Oskar Groening's trial shed some more light on the massive theft perpetrated by the Nazis at A-B. Maybe the Sobibor photos will do the same for that camp.
Thank you for bringing to our attention the deeds of SS Unterscharführer Oskar Gröning. According to sources "His responsibilities included counting and sorting the money taken from prisoners". Gröning and about 22 of his colleagues travelled to Berlin where they reported to one of the SS economic offices called SS-Wirtschafts-und Verwaltungshauptamt The organization was responsible for managing the finances, supply systems and business projects for the Allgemeine-SS. It also ran the concentration camps.
Oskar was SS and not Zollgrenzschutz; it would seem unlikely that the SS would deal with the Häftling money in Auschwitz, which was in Poland but not in Sobibor. In fact there were no Zollgrenzschutz in Auschwitz. Zollgrenzschutz (ZGS) (German: Customs Border Guards) was an organization under the German Finance Ministry from 1937 to 1945. It was charged with guarding Germany's borders, acting as a combination Border Patrol and Customs & Immigration service. The Border Police (Grenzpolizei), which had the tasks of passport and border control, was different from the Customs Border Guards.(Zollgrenzschutz).

The presence of Zollgrenzschutz at Sobibor shows that it had primarily a customs function; it was not their job to patrol the borders which was the function of Grenzpolizei. Customs is an authority or agency in a country responsible for collecting tariffs and for controlling the flow of goods, including animals, transports, personal, and hazardous items, into and out of a country. While there were restriction on people leaving the Reich after 23 October 1941 each area had customs controls.
𝕾𝖔𝖟𝖎𝖆𝖑 𝖌𝖊𝖍𝖙 𝖓𝖚𝖗 𝕹𝖆𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓𝖆𝖑
𝕲𝖊𝕾𝖙𝖆𝕻𝖔

User avatar
Scott
Site Admin
Posts: 2287
Joined: Tue May 15, 2012 2:43 am
Location: USA, West of the Pecos
Contact:

Re: Sobibor Photos

Post by Scott » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:03 pm

Body bonfires and looting of wealth? Disposal of mass-junk is probably more like it.

Honest forensic archaeologists (if such were possible regarding the Big-H) could dig up the Reinhardt camps and determine the difference between landfill and the truth of the legendary mass-graves.

Science works by measured observation and testable hypotheses, with constant revision in a feedback loop, and not by hearsay or from Gospel.

That is why the Holocaust Industry, with respect to gaschambers and crematoria, needs to switch the evidentiary focus away from more extant camps to ones like the Reinhardt camps where little remains of structures.

Furthermore, Oskar Groening can hardly be said to have been given a trial since any credible defense would itself be called Denial, which is illegal, and even his attorneys would be jailed under the system in power now. That is the thing with propaganda trials.

And it is doubtful that a nonagenarian could mount a proper defense anyway, regardless of whether one comes clean and confesses to or flat-out denies the charges. Either way, like Demjanjuk, Groening will ultimately be dead.

That being said, I don't have a lot of sympathy for Groening. When you bears the false witness you pays the price. Eichmann too.

:)

“Now we have forced Hitler to war so he no longer can peacefully annihilate one piece of the Treaty of Versailles after the other.”
~ Major General J.F.C. Fuller,
historian – England

User avatar
Huntinger
Posts: 6065
Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:56 am
Location: Gasthaus Waldesruh. Swabia
Contact:

Re: Sobibor Photos

Post by Huntinger » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:31 pm

Image
At Belzec
Image
Image
Image
𝕾𝖔𝖟𝖎𝖆𝖑 𝖌𝖊𝖍𝖙 𝖓𝖚𝖗 𝕹𝖆𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓𝖆𝖑
𝕲𝖊𝕾𝖙𝖆𝕻𝖔

User avatar
TheGodfather
Posts: 145
Joined: Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:18 pm
Contact:

Re: Sobibor Photos

Post by TheGodfather » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:42 pm

Huntinger wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:48 am
It would be interesting to see more photos; another interesting point is that the entrance to the camp was festooned in border stripes like a barber shop. Check point border stripes are common throughout the world, especially Slavic countries. Photo below is between Ukraine and Russia.
Image
BTW that entrance with the stripes cannot be seen by the railway where any prisoners would embark. In the photo below the checkpoint stripes at the camp are clear.
Image
Wow, a very interesting point. Nice!

User avatar
Huntinger
Posts: 6065
Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:56 am
Location: Gasthaus Waldesruh. Swabia
Contact:

Re: Sobibor Photos

Post by Huntinger » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:03 pm

Showing the location of the Sonderkommando entrance in relation to the commanders house.
Image
Kommandants house today, photo 1943, Sonder entrance
The Kommandants house as it looks from street view Google Earth today. This is the front of the house from the road, the photo of the Kommandants above is the reverse image or it was taken from the rear; one can see the roof of the house is longer on one side than the other. Looking at the single houses with sloping roofs the slope is towards the cameraman; the slope is always higher at the front. This shows that the view is from the camp itself.
Image
Google Earth aerial view of photo aspect
This shows the Google Earth aerial view of the photos location showing the Kommandants house, the Sonderkommando check point, the photographer is at the rear of the camp to the West.

Here is where the photographer would be if the Rutherford layout is correct. (I have not inverted the diagram but indicated where the Sonder, the photographer and Kommandants house would be.
Image
What is seen in the photo below is what corresponds to "camp 1", this is seen in the diagram below:
Image
Camp 1 at Sobibor according to wiki contained prisoner barracks and workshops. It was built behind the garrison area, directly west of the main gate. The zone was made escape-proof by surrounding it with barbed wire fences and a moat constructed along the perimeter, outside of which were minefields. The only opening was a gate leading to the work area. The camp zone included the living quarters for the Jewish prisoners as well as the prisoners' kitchen.
This is a photo looking at camp 1, the barbed wired fences? the moat?
Image
Camp one with barbed wire fences and moat? looking East towards Kammandantur
Note: the alignment of the building or lack of them in the photo do not correspond with either map. Camp 1; here the prisoners living section is completely devoid of buildings as indicated on the maps.
𝕾𝖔𝖟𝖎𝖆𝖑 𝖌𝖊𝖍𝖙 𝖓𝖚𝖗 𝕹𝖆𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓𝖆𝖑
𝕲𝖊𝕾𝖙𝖆𝕻𝖔

User avatar
Nessie
Posts: 27946
Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:00 pm
Contact:

Re: Sobibor Photos

Post by Nessie » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:02 am

Scott wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:03 pm
Body bonfires and looting of wealth? Disposal of mass-junk is probably more like it.
The disposal of the property of those being transported, is more likely in the scenario they were killed, than they were being resettled.
Honest forensic archaeologists (if such were possible regarding the Big-H) could dig up the Reinhardt camps and determine the difference between landfill and the truth of the legendary mass-graves.

Science works by measured observation and testable hypotheses, with constant revision in a feedback loop, and not by hearsay or from Gospel.
Your allegation that all of the archaeological research, by multiple archaeologists from different countries at different times, has been dishonest, is the desperate claim of a conspiracy theorist.
That is why the Holocaust Industry, with respect to gaschambers and crematoria, needs to switch the evidentiary focus away from more extant camps to ones like the Reinhardt camps where little remains of structures.

Furthermore, Oskar Groening can hardly be said to have been given a trial since any credible defense would itself be called Denial, which is illegal, and even his attorneys would be jailed under the system in power now. That is the thing with propaganda trials.

And it is doubtful that a nonagenarian could mount a proper defense anyway. regardless of whether one comes clean and confesses to or flat-out denies the charges. Either way, like Demjanjuk, Groening will ultimately be dead.

That being said, I don't have a lot of sympathy for Groening. When you bears the false witness you pays the price. Eichmann too.

:)
You could evidence what did happen instead. You think yourself the expert on evidencing. So, off you go and do some work.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

Turnagain
Posts: 7121
Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:44 pm
Contact:

Re: Sobibor Photos

Post by Turnagain » Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:35 am

Nessie wrote:
You could evidence what did happen instead.
Why don't you present two (2), just two witnesses, who tell corroborating and believable/possible stories of gas chambers, the mass graves and the means of cremation of the bodies. Present one (1), just one, archeologist who presents laboratory tested proof of cremains consistent with the cremation of ~850,000 cadavers and shows proof of the mass graves. Seems simple enough to prove that Treblinka was an extermination facility so off you go.

Turnagain
Posts: 7121
Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:44 pm
Contact:

Re: Sobibor Photos

Post by Turnagain » Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:17 am

Nessie wrote:
I have 21.
So quote testimonies from two of the 21 that tell the same story about the gas chambers, the graves, the exhumations and the cremations on the magic Jew barbeque. The testimony doesn't have to be exact in detail but follow the same sequence of events. You claim to have 21 witnesses so quoting two of them shouldn't be that difficult.

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot], Majestic-12 [Bot] and 3 guests