Sobibor Photos

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Re: Sobibor Photos

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Turnagain wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:46 pm
Nessie wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:00 pm
Turnagain wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:49 am
LMAO! Nessie turns and squirms, turning himself every which way but inside out trying to "fix" his fellow Klown's obvious blunder. Face it, Nessie, SM screwed the pooch and you ain't gonna' "fix" it.
Why would Niemann take photos that would incriminate himself and his colleagues? What did he not photograph behind the covered fence?

Why would he not take photos of that would have shown Sobibor was just a transit camp?

Where are all the transit photos? By the end of 1942, some 101,370 people had arrived at Sobibor. Over two months in 1943, some 33,000 Dutch people arrived. If they were processed in the camp and transported onwards, where are the photos?

Niemann took numerous photos of normal activity at the camp, so why not the transports? What was he avoiding?
Nessie squirms even more. Do ya' mean that Niemann's photos didn't include any Jews except incidentally? Have you examined the album and all of the photos? Got anything besides your suppositions? Like your chimney for the nonexistent crematoria?
I am going by reports from those who have seen all of the photos. The photos of Sobibor do not show any evidence of it being a transit camp.

Instead, it evidences that there were staff at Sobibor who had been part of the T4 euthanasia project. It evidences the measures taken to keep the camp hidden from view and inside the camp certain areas were kept from being viewed. It shows how fences were covered, as witnesses described the road leading to the gas chambers.

That is not like any transit camp. That is like how the death camps were described. It is hardly surprising that certain parts of the camp have not been photographed, since Niemann wanted to and was required by SS rules to keep those parts secret.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Nessie wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:40 am
Why would he not take photos of that would have shown Sobibor was just a transit camp?
Are there other transit camp photos to compare and contrast this with.? What does a transit camp look like? Do all transit camps look the same?
That is not like any transit camp. That is like how the death camps were described. It is hardly surprising that certain parts of the camp have not been photographed, since Niemann wanted to and was required by SS rules to keep those parts secret.
The poster has obviously failed to read other posts. These so called AR death camps if they existed would have the same security classification as Area 51 in the United States, Kapustin Yar in the Russian Federation or Porton Down in the UK. Even better would be a comparison to the Los Alamos Project in the development of the atomic bomb. No one takes snap shots, Verboten.

It appears that these are not death camps, at least not Sobibor, probably being a work placement camp. BTW some of those Dutch transportees from Westerbork said they arrived at Sobibor and they were the only ones there, before they departed the next day.
Perhaps in War Time such camps have duel functions. It may not have occurred to it that the lie witnesses, well lie.

What is shown is a normal camp, far better than any modern prison. These photos expose the holocaust myth for what it is; the mummy is unraveling faster, find some more bandages.

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As I said, do you have anything besides suppositions and your chimney to the nonexistent crematorium?

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Turnagain wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:17 am
As I said, do you have anything besides suppositions and your chimney to the nonexistent crematorium?
I have not seen the evidence regarding the chimney and what any witness described. I am not aware of any claim from a witness that there was a crematorium in that part of Sobibor.

I note that you dodge why Niemann did not take any photos of mass transports of people at the camp.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Nessie wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:33 am
I note that you dodge why Niemann did not take any photos of mass transports of people at the camp.
Why should he, its his camera. In classified facility he is lucky the Seicherheitzpolizei did not shove the camera into his mouth before taking him before Konrad Morgan. Perhaps there are protocols in place to protect the privacy of those interned; perhaps it was a day when there were no people.

All of those photos are natural and carefree and people will realize the myth around Sobibor; this is why der Juden are trying to ramp them up talking crap about the glassware etc stolen from the inmates.
The reason why there are no incriminating photos is simply because nothing untoward went on (except in the minds of people like yourself); the body language attests to this, that this camp had some other function.

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The supposedly 'TOP SECRET' alleged 'extermination camp' of Sobibor
SOBIBOR

by Jennifer Rosenberg | July 28, 2019

The Sobibor Death Camp was one of the Nazis' best-kept secrets. When Toivi Blatt, one of the very few survivors of the camp, approached a "well-known survivor of Auschwitz" in 1958 with a manuscript he had written about his experiences, he was told, "You have a tremendous imagination. I've never heard of Sobibor and especially not of Jews revolting there."
The secrecy of the Sobibor death camp was too successful; its victims and survivors were being disbelieved and forgotten.

https://www.thoughtco.com/sobibor-death-camp-1779674
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So an alleged commander of supposedly TOP SECRET "death camp" in a supposedly TOP SECRET extermination programme, just took loads of photos of it, sent them to an ordinary lab for developement and then kept them in a perfectly normal photo album??! :o
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Huntinger wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:30 pm

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Johann Niemann and colleagues at leisure in Sobibor.

It's interesting to see the media spin this photograph. They spin it in two ways:

1. By suggesting, without evidence, that the people in this photograph are sipping out of cups stolen from murdered Jews. They even add "historians say" in order to give the accusation more weight. The Washington Post's caption for this picture is comical:
SS personnel, including commandant Franz Reichleitner and deputy commandant Johann Niemann, gather on a patio at Sobibor in 1943, drinking from glasses that historians say could have been stolen from murdered Jews. (U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum)
Obviously, this is intentional. Given that there is a lack of incriminating evidence in these photographs, the propagandists are forced to desperately grasp at straws. The logic is "we have to state that something nefarious is happening in this photograph. But there is nothing nefarious in the photograph." So they invent details in order to transform a photograph of very normal people having a normal, relaxing social gathering into something more nefarious. Adding the suggestion that they are sipping out of cups they stole from Jews they murdered they allows the propagandists to portray these people as evil without relying on any real incriminating details in the picture.

This is the extremely obvious spin from the media and historian propagandists. Only a total moron would fall for that trick. The more interesting propaganda tactic is the way in which various media outlets interpret the disposition of the people in this photograph.



2. Since the people in this photograph are not displaying anything resembling any sort of "guilty consciensce" for the alleged genocidal operation they are running, this is interpreted as evidence in favor of dehumanizing these people as soulless barbarians.

Since they de novo assume it's true that these people are in the process of committing the worst crime in human history, how do they explain that these people are relaxing with alcohol in a co-ed gathering with pictures taken to "capture the moment" on the scene of the crime? They explain it by saying "these must be the most evil people who have ever existed, to be able to happily picnic right next to their ongoing operation of genocide." I assume this is how Nessie must interpret this photograph. These must be the most evil people in the world, because only the most evil people in the world could take pictures at a happy picnic gathering right next to where they are in the process of murdering hundreds of thousands of Jews.

Of course, the alternative hypothesis is that these people are not guilty of committing the worst genocide in human history, and that is why they are able to relax as they are in this photograph. They are not the most evil people who ever lived; they are normal people doing normal things. They are not committing genocide right next to where they are picnicking, sipping out of glasses stolen from Jews they murdered.

If these people were in the process of committing genocide, there would not be a picture of them happily picnicking on the scene of the crime. Period.

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Considering revisionists do not possess the intelligence, logic or ability to evaluate or assess photographic evidence, even when specific scenes of death and outside cremations are blatantly on display ( ie such as the photographs from Auschwitz) then no further action is required other than to denounce the above rants and ill-informed observations as nothing more than disingenuous and worthless clap-trap.

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Lupus Rothstein wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:00 pm
Considering revisionists do not possess the intelligence, logic or ability to evaluate or assess photographic evidence, even when specific scenes of death and outside cremations are blatantly on display ( ie such as the photographs from Auschwitz) then no further action is required other than to denounce the above rants and ill-informed observations as nothing more than disingenuous and worthless clap-trap.
Nothing you have said adds to the knowledge of the photos just your mere conjecture. These are old photos and many of us can read "body language" even if your kind can only read shekels. Please do not bring up the faked spaghetti woman photos from Birkenau, they are clearly faked and of a different quality. Your conjecture is noted but of no value.

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Huntinger wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:24 pm
Lupus Rothstein wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:00 pm
Considering revisionists do not possess the intelligence, logic or ability to evaluate or assess photographic evidence, even when specific scenes of death and outside cremations are blatantly on display ( ie such as the photographs from Auschwitz) then no further action is required other than to denounce the above rants and ill-informed observations as nothing more than disingenuous and worthless clap-trap.
Nothing you have said adds to the knowledge of the photos just your mere conjecture. These are old photos and many of us can read "body language" even if your kind can only read shekels. Please do not bring up the faked spaghetti woman photos from Birkenau, they are clearly faked and of a different quality. Your conjecture is noted but of no value.
Nothing exists that would satisfy your requirement for 'knowledge' regarding the Sobibor photos. I was merely pointing out the pointlessness of people of your ilk even discussing the topic, due to the appalling low levels of logic and evaluation skills that you possess.

Ironically, such piss-poor levels of logic and intelligence is demonstrated by your ill-informed comments regarding what you refer to as the 'spaghetti woman' photo. You appear totally clueless as regards the facts surrounding this photo. No doubt you read something on the internet in 1998 by some equally unintelligent specimen, and decided you were going to believe it. Cos that's what clueless individuals do.

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