Challenge to been-there, empirical evidence.

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Challenge to been-there, empirical evidence.

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Been-there said;
And if you cannot understand the basic word "if", then no wonder you can not grasp the concept of "empiricism".

And not a single holocaust defender has ever demonstrated they understand what constitutes empirical evidence.
Not one.
Roberto Muhlenkamp tried to prove he understood but couldn't.
Statistical Mechanical was another who failed.
Dr. Nick Terry was another.

....
SUMMARY
These people need psychological, therapeutic help not facts. Facts merely upset them.


So, here is your opportunity to present empirical evidence of what happened inside the AR camps at TII, Belzec, Chelmno and Sobibor and what happened inside the kremas at Auschwitz-Birkenau.

Please present the facts. No dodging. A failure to present empirical evidence to show what happened will be taken as an admission that there is no evidence to back up your beliefs.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.


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Re: Challenge to been-there, empirical evidence.

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Nessie wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:37 am
Been-there said;
And if you cannot understand the basic word "if", then no wonder you can not grasp the concept of "empiricism".

And not a single holocaust defender has ever demonstrated they understand what constitutes empirical evidence.
Not one.
Roberto Muhlenkamp tried to prove he understood but couldn't.
Statistical Mechanical was another who failed.
Dr. Nick Terry was another.

....
SUMMARY
These people need psychological, therapeutic help not facts. Facts merely upset them.


So, here is your opportunity to present empirical evidence of what happened inside the AR camps at TII, Belzec, Chelmno and Sobibor and what happened inside the kremas at Auschwitz-Birkenau.

Please present the facts. No dodging. A failure to present empirical evidence to show what happened will be taken as an admission that there is no evidence to back up your beliefs.
Prove these AR camps existed; this is just another version of your Transit Camp hypothesis using other words. Move on.


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Re: Challenge to been-there, empirical evidence.

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Nessie:
So, here is your opportunity to present empirical evidence of what happened inside the AR camps... Please present the facts. No dodging. A failure to present empirical evidence to show what happened will be taken as an admission that there is no evidence to back up your beliefs.



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I, _?_ (full legal - VERIFIALBE - name),

am so confident that the Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka II "holocausts" happened - as alleged in orthodox historiography,
and that the "eyewitness" testimony for said "holocausts within the holocaust" - constitutes credible evidence,
and that the investigations of said "holocaust" camps in search of empirical evidence - were valid,
that I am willing to bet Greg Gerdes _?_ (choose one):


1: $ .o6 US

2: $ .60 US

3: $ 6.00 US

4: $ 60.00 US

5: $ 600.00 US

6: $ 6,666.66 US


that I can show him the evidence which proves _?_ (list all that apply):


1: With 100% certainty

2: Beyond a shadow of a doubt

3: With the utmost certainty

4: With the same standard of proof espoused by Michael Shermer and the so-called "Skeptics" Society

5: With the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts

6: With the same standard of proof applied in U.S. civil courts

7: With the same standard of proof applied in German Federal Republic courts

8: With the same standard of proof applied at Nuremberg


that at _?_ (choose one):

1: Belzec

2: Sobibor

3: Treblinka II


no less than (choose as many as apply):


_?_ people were dead on arrival at the camp.

_?_ people (internees) actually set foot (dead or alive) within the boundary of the camp.

_?_ people were murdered within the boundary of the camp.

_?_ people died by means of poison gas within the boundary of the camp.

_?_ people died by means of a bullet wound received within the boundary of the camp.

_?_ people were buried (as whole corpses) within the boundary of the camp.

_?_ corpses "in a wax-fat transformation" currently lie within the boundary of the camp.

_?_ people were cremated within the boundary of the camp.

_?_ pounds of human cremains were buried within the boundary of the camp.

_?_ pounds of human remains currently lie within the boundary of the camp.

_?_ human teeth currently lie within the boundary of the camp.

_?_ bullets currently lie within the boundary of the camp.

_?_ pits / ditches alleged by the eyewitnesses to have been dug and utilized as burning / cremation - pits / ditches have actually been located / proven to exist within the boundary of the camp.

_?_ of the above said verified eyewitnessed burning / cremation - pits / ditches within the boundary of the camp currently contain human remains.

_?_ pits / ditches alleged by the eyewitnesses to have been dug and utilized as mass graves have actually been located / proven to exist within the boundary of the camp.

_?_ of the above said verified eyewitnessed mass graves within the boundary of the camp currently contain human remains.

_?_ scientific reports detailing the forensic analysis of remains located within the boundary of the camp were completed.


Furthermore, because I want to do all I can to put an end to holocaust denial, I agree to challenge Greg Gerdes to accept this wager no later than _?_/_?_/_?_, and agree that if I refuse to answer a question or get caught lying during our debate - I lose the bet.

As well, I accept and acknowledge that the option of demanding that both sides prove to each other that they have the ways and means to make good on the amount that I chose to bet above is mine - which I _?_ (choose - or - do not choose) to invoke.

Remember:

What kind of self-deceiving coward calls a skeptic of their unsubstantiated allegations a

β€œdenier” - yet is unwilling to bet that they can prove what they so vehemently allege is true?

(One cannot β€œdeny” something that does not exist or that has never been proven to be true.)

http://www.nafcash.com/

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What are you waiting for Robessie?

What are you so afraid of?
In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Re: Challenge to been-there, empirical evidence.

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By not responding, been-there shows he cannot empirically evidence his beliefs, yet he demands others empirically evidence theirs. The hypocrisy is staggering.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: Challenge to been-there, empirical evidence.

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Nessie wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:30 pm
By not responding, been-there shows he cannot empirically evidence his beliefs, yet he demands others empirically evidence theirs. The hypocrisy is staggering.
Nesserto,
Is it - TRUE. - or - FALSE. - that there are pits containing human remains at Treblinka II?

If your answer is - TRUE. - THEN SHOW ME.

What are you waiting for Robessie?

What are you so afraid of?
In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Re: Challenge to been-there, empirical evidence.

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Nessie:
Here is what under the ground looks like;

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You can see darker areas of ash that are unevenly distributed through the ground. You can see lighter bits of cremains, also not evenly distributed through the ground. There are areas of ground that are just a sandy colour, the colour of the sandy earth at the camp. Ash and cremains, not evenly distributed on and under the ground.

Show me one gram of human remains in those two photos.

ONE GRAM
In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Re: Challenge to been-there, empirical evidence.

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Nessie wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:30 pm
By not responding, been-there shows he cannot empirically evidence his beliefs, yet he demands others empirically evidence theirs. The hypocrisy is staggering.
Nessie, your questions were answered a thousand times and, to be quite honest, everyone here is sick to death of them. It's almost 6 years the same crap with you. Hey, how about you answer Norm's questions for once in your life?

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TheGodfather wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:56 pm
Nessie wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:30 pm
By not responding, been-there shows he cannot empirically evidence his beliefs, yet he demands others empirically evidence theirs. The hypocrisy is staggering.
Nessie, your questions were answered a thousand times and, to be quite honest, everyone here is sick to death of them. It's almost 6 years the same crap with you. Hey, how about you answer Norm's questions for once in your life?
I did before and the more I answered, the more the questions were added to. I asked some questions which were ignored. He was/is very abusive. So, why should I continue?

My questions about the lack of evidence from deniers have not been answered.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: Challenge to been-there, empirical evidence.

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Nessie wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:03 pm
TheGodfather wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:56 pm
Nessie wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:30 pm
By not responding, been-there shows he cannot empirically evidence his beliefs, yet he demands others empirically evidence theirs. The hypocrisy is staggering.
Nessie, your questions were answered a thousand times and, to be quite honest, everyone here is sick to death of them. It's almost 6 years the same crap with you. Hey, how about you answer Norm's questions for once in your life?
I did before and the more I answered, the more the questions were added to. I asked some questions which were ignored. He was/is very abusive. So, why should I continue?

My questions about the lack of evidence from deniers have not been answered.
Can you show me where?

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Re: Challenge to been-there, empirical evidence.

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Nessie wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:03 pm
I did before and the more I answered, the more the questions were added to. I asked some questions which were ignored. He was/is very abusive. So, why should I continue?

My questions about the lack of evidence from deniers have not been answered.
They are answered, it is just that the information is something the poster above does not wish to hear. This forum is not a court of law, where evidence is presented at every turn, it is a forum of discussion, sometimes of new ideas. It is clear the original H narrative has more full of holes than Willie McCoy after the cops shot him at Taco. There are no winners or losers here just whiners and boozers. Be a part of the solution and not the problem.


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