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aemathisphd wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:55 pm

For any Jew, the Soviets were liberators because, unlike the Nazis, the Soviets hadn't placed antisemitism at the core of their state ideology. What you suggest is fucking ludicrous.
It is far from a theory, if say you were in charge of prisoners and let them go in war time situation that would be dereliction of duty and you would likely be shot. The Soviets could hardly be AntiSemitic when their leadership was mainly Bolshevik Juden; even Putin admitted that 80% of the early Soviet leaders were Habiru. Der juden were potential 5th columnists and many would have risen up during war to disrupt the State from within; their loyalty was to Stalin. Prior to the SA cleaning up Berlin, the city was the most Bolshevik city in the world next to Moscow; this is what all the street fighting was about.
The reality is that there were two socialist forces vying for authority: German Socialism and Soviet Socialism. Soviet Socialism was jüdisch, extremely vicious resulting in the murder of millions; the Reich could not stand by and let this mayhem control the world. Der jude had to go. It is as true now as what it was then.


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You’re moving the goalposts. Also, by the time of the war, there were virtually no Jewish Bolsheviks left — Kaganovich was pretty much it.

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aemathisphd wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:47 pm
You’re moving the goalposts. Also, by the time of the war, there were virtually no Jewish Bolsheviks left — Kaganovich was pretty much it.
The Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party was made up as follows:
  • Bronstein (Trotsky) Jude
  • Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jude
  • Lourie (Larine) Jude
  • Ouritski Jude
  • Volodarski Jude
  • Rosenfeldt (Kamanef) Jude
  • Smidovitch Jude
  • Sverdlof (Yankel) Jude
  • Nakhamkes (Steklof) Jude
  • Ulyanov (Lenin) Russisch
  • Krylenko Russisch
  • Lounatcharski Russisch


    Here is some more

    “The Council of the People’s Commissars comprises the following:


    President Ulyanov (Lenin) Russian
    Foreign Affairs Tchitcherine Russian
    Nationalities Djugashvili (Stalin) Georgian
    Agriculture Protian Armenian
    Economic Council Lourie (Larine) Jew
    Food Schlichter Jew
    Army & Navy Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew
    State Control Lander Jew
    State Lands Kauffman Jew
    Works V. Schmidt Jew
    Social Relief E. Lelina (Knigissen) Jewess
    Public Instruction Lounatcharsky Russian
    Religions Spitzberg Jew
    Interior Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew
    Hygiene Anvelt Jew
    Finance Isidore Goukovski Jew
    Press Volodarski Jew
    Elections Ouritski Jew
    Justice I. Steinberg Jew
    Refugees Fenigstein Jew
    Refugees (assist.) Savitch Jew
    Refugees (assist.) Zaslovski Jew



    “The following is the list of members of the Central Executive Committee:


    Sverdlov (president) Jew
    Avanessof (sec.) Armenian
    Bruno Lett
    Babtchinski Jew
    Bukharin Russian
    Weinberg Jew
    Gailiss Jew
    Ganzburg Jew
    Danichevski Jew
    Starck German
    Sachs Jew
    Scheinmann Jew
    Erdling Jew
    Landauer Jew
    Linder Jew
    Wolach Czech
    Dimanstein Jew
    Encukidze Georgian
    Ermann Jew
    Joffe Jew
    Karkline Jew
    Knigissen Jew
    Rosenfeldt (Kamenef) Jew
    Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew
    Krylenko Russian
    KrassikofSachs Jew
    Kaprik Jew
    Kaoul Lett
    Ulyanov (lenin) Russian
    Latsis Jew
    Lander Jew
    Lounatcharski Russian
    Peterson Lett
    Peters Lett
    Roudzoutas Jew
    Rosine Jew
    Smidovitch Jew
    Stoutchka Lett
    Nakhamkes (Steklof) Jew
    Sosnovski Jew
    Skrytnik Jew
    Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew
    Teodorovitch Jew
    Terian Armenian
    Ouritski Jew
    Telechkine Russian
    Feldmann Jew
    Froumkine Jew
    Souriupa Ukranian
    Tchavtchevadze Georgian
    Scheikmann Jew
    Rosental Jew
    Achkinazi Imeretian
    Karakhane Karaim (Jew)
    Rose Jew
    Sobelson (Radek) Jew
    Sclichter Jew
    Schikolini Jew
    Chklianski Jew
    Levine (Pravdine) Jew



    “The following is the list of members of the Extraordinary Commission of Moscow:


    Dzerjinski (president) Pole
    Peters (vice-president) Lett
    Chklovski Jew
    Kheifiss Jew
    Zeistine Jew
    Razmirovitch Jew
    Kronberg Jew
    Khaikina Jewess
    Karlson Lett
    Schaumann Jew
    Leontovitch Jew
    Jacob Goldine Jew
    Glaperstein Jew
    Kniggisen Jew
    Latzis Lett
    Schillenkuss Jew
    Janson Lett
    Rivkine Jew
    Antonof Russian
    Delafabre Jew
    Tsitkine Jew
    Roskirovitch Jew
    G. Sverdlof Jew
    Biesenski Jew
    Blioumkine Jew
    Alexandrevitch Russian
    I. Model Jew
    Routenberg Jew
    Pines Jew
    Sachs Jew
    Daybol Lett
    Saissoune Armenian
    Deylkenen Lett
    Liebert Jew
    Vogel German
    Zakiss Lett

    There are 129 names there for which 93 are jude. This makes roughly 72% of those in power being juden
    If the Extra ordinary commission is removed, the ones responsible for the Katyn massacre cover up and the attempted implication of the Reich the number is still close to 73%


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None of that is relevant to my point, which is that by the war, they were gone.

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aemathisphd wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:13 pm
None of that is relevant to my point, which is that by the war, they were gone.
Were they indeed? Some see the wars as a single war with a hiatus inbetween; the same players involved. In interwar period, when the Soviet Union was catching shape, it was well-acknowledged in Europe that Juden lead the Bolshevik revolution. What is of concern is how much these Bolshevik Juden were influenced by Internationale Juden.
Sir Winston Churchill said of the Russian simple Jewish folk.
The National Russian Jews, in spite of the disabilities under which they have suffered, have managed to play an honorable and useful part in the national life even of Russia.
in regards to International Juden he says this:

International Jews

In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish effort rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.

Terrorist Jews

There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution, by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews, it is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd) or of Krassin or Radek — all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.
For the most part when we speak of Jude or Jew if you like it is the Internationale Jude, not mom dad and the kids praying to their god and performing what seems like silly rituals.


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Resistance

From the onset of German-Soviet conflict in 1941, Communist parties throughout Europe were notable for their active and dominant in local resistance against Nazi occupation.

After September 1943, partisan Resistance groups were active throughout northern and much of central Italy. Many were recruited, organized, and armed by the anti-Fascist parties or at least owed vague allegiance to one of them. Partisans were fighting three types of war: a civil war against Italian Fascists, a war of national liberation against German occupation, and a class war against the ruling elites. Communist Party groups fought all three types. Catholic or monarchist partisans, on the other hand, fought only one or two of these.

The Communist Party, although still very small in 1943 (about 5,000 members), led the largest group of partisans (at least 50,000 by summer 1944). Success in the Resistance transformed the Communists into a major force in postwar Italian politics. After the war, the three largest parties were the Christian Democrats, Socialists, and Communists.

Individual Jews or groups of Jews engaged in planned or spontaneous opposition to the Germans and their allies. Jewish partisans were especially active in the east, where they fought the Germans from bases established behind the front lines in forests and ghettos. Because antisemitism was widespread there, they found little support among the surrounding population. Even so, as many as 20,000 Jews fought the Germans in the forests of eastern Europe.
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Until June, 1941, when Hitler invaded the Soviet Union, there was no resistance at all inside France. The majority of the French supported the pro-Fascist Vichy government of Marshal Henri Petain. De Gaulle discouraged acts of terrorism by his followers for fear of reprisals against innocent civilians. The Communist Party was not going to attack Germans so long as the Soviet Union had a nonaggression treaty with Germany.

After the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union, however, the Communists began the French Resistance. A large number of their recruits were young immigrants, many of them workers with Communist backgrounds.


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aemathisphd wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:53 pm
Blake wrote:Andy, the mass genocidal slaughters were largely over by the time any camp liberations were done. Ike did not mention the mass genocidal slaughters in his memoirs. I hope you aren't "teaching" anyone that he did.
Yes, I'm aware of the chronology, thanks. But perhaps you can answer the question, then, of why Jewish prisoners were marched into Germany in the final weeks and months of the war. And when I ask why, I mean what the long-term goal was in such actions.

...Any idiot with half a brain in his head would understand that. But you seem to have slightly less than half, so there we are, I guess.

Unless you can offer some logical explanation for what the Nazis' end game was for bringing thousands of Jews into the German interior in the final weeks and months of the war, I'm satisfied to consider the deaths of Jews in Ohrdruf to be part of the Holocaust, and as I said before, you can fuck right off if you disagree.
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He was silent.
“Let’s be evacuated with the others,” I said to him. He did not answer. He looked at my foot.
“Do you think you can walk?”
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“Let’s hope that we shan’t regret it, Eliezer.”
I learned after the war the fate of those who had stayed behind in the hospital. They were quite simply liberated by the Russians two days after the evacuation. ...
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[quote="Kleon XYZ Contagion:
...We have millions of details like the above. For real historians, all those data converge to one conclusion: Holocaust happened.
We present these details to the deniers, and they reject them.
Kleon, have the holoco$t deniers rejected that it is a scientifically proven fact that mass graves have been located / proven to exist at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobior and Treblinka II?

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Kleon XYZ Contagion wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:44 pm
blake121666 wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:08 pm
Kleon XYZ Contagion wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:22 am
Turnagain wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:19 am
Hey, Kleon, tell us how that M&H dragline both dug and stockpiled the excavated material from those graves described by the eyewitnesses. I really want to hear about that especially how a machine with a 35 foot boom could build a stockpile of ex over 50 feet high.

Oh, wait a minute, I know. Revisionists only ask such questions because they hate Jews. Besides, if it happened, it was possible. That about right? Sure sounds like the kind of bullshit you're trying to sell.
You should present me first with all the evidence it was a quarry and show me where the materials went and all the paper-trail they left behind, and then I'll point you to a book in which you will learn finally what it was.
Kleon is confused about what is being referenced.
Here is a German wide aerial photo of the areas encompassing both T1 and T2 on Sept 2, 1944:

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Treblinka I was a quarry. No one says otherwise. It is a simple fact.

You wrote in your original post:
Kleon wrote:If the Treblinka ground photos show no criminal activity, what is the logical explanation for there being giant excavators digging around Treblinka, located in the far end of Poland where there is no mining, no rare earths, no mineral deposits, no building projects, unless of course these cranes served a nefarious purpose, which is digging, or in this case, unearthing mass graves. It was another purpose? Name it.
And you are ignorant of the fact that T1 was a quarry.

The excavators in pictures in Kurt Franz' photo album are not "giant" excavators, they are normal-sized excavators. And such excavators would of course be common for a quarry. They would have been used to dig for any reason - anywhere - T1, T2, wherever. There are no Treblinka "ground photos" which show any particular "criminal activity". If you think there are, please present these photos to us and explain the "criminal activity" shown in them.

It just so happens that such type excavators could not have excavated in the way they are alleged and thought to have excavated at T2. And this was the simple point you are responding to.

Are you up to speed on the situation now, Kleon?
It's obvious I am talking for Treblinka in 1942-1943, not before.
All can see that Kleon gave an irrational and dishonest reply, once his ignorance on this particular detail was pointed out to him.
Which I think demonstrates which side is invariably in “denial” in the holocaust debate.
Treblinka 1 was a gravel quarry equipped with heavy machinery, essential to the production of concrete and road construction. Before the German occupation, the mega quarry was owned by the Polish industrialist Marian Łopuszyński who built a railway track connecting the mine with Małkinia–Sokołów Podlaski junction. Setting up a penal colony there was the idea of Sturmbannführer Ernst Gramss who first ran it as his own personal business venture in occupied Poland. The quarry became vital during the German attack on the Soviet Union, supplying gravel for the strategic road-building programme around the German–Soviet border.
This is yet another example showing which side of the argument — people like Kleon, Andy Mathis, and celebrities like David Baddiel, Prof Deborah Lipstadt and many, many others — are genuinely in denial and are arguing emotionally from ignorance.
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