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Soviet Deportations

Post by Huntinger » Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:51 pm

Советские депортации
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The Soviet Union began deporting Polish citizens to Siberia on Feb 9, 1940. The deportations commenced four months and 23 days after they had annexed Eastern Poland; the Reich had invaded Poland 17 days prior to the Soviets (1 Sept, 1939). These annexed territories were subsequently incorporated into the Lithuanian, Byelorussian, and Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republics and remained within the Soviet Union in 1945. It is said that Poland originally had 3.3 million Js (3,351,000); once the country was carved into two the Reich had 1.98 million, while the Soviets had 1.32 million (60 and 40 percent respectively). The issue here is that there are two definitions of being jude: ethnic or religious. The number of Polish Js declined from 3,113,900 to 2,633,000, i.e. by 15.4%, between the end of 1931 and September 1939; the over inflated figure is somewhat incongruous.
The real figure is that the Reich had 1,579,000 jude while the Soviets had 1,053,200

The deportations to Siberia took place in four waves, with up to 1.5 million Poles deported, according to Tadeusz Piotrowski’s Poland’s Holocaust. Up to 400,000 Js were in those transports (other sources of course say less, especially the NKVD). Zionism was deemed counterrevolutionary, mass arrests, summary executions, and a general degradation of living standards occurred. The destinations of this human cargo was mainly Northern Kazakhstan and the vast reaches of Siberia.

Such statements as Poland once had a Jewish population of three million, 90% of whom were killed in Hitler's Holocaust. by
Pawel Bramson are simply untrue. There is absolutely no mention by such people as to the involvement of dissolution by the Soviets. Wiki and other sources mention that 350 000 Polish Juden survived the war. The Soviets did not let their Js go back.

Many more Js were forced over the Sans and Bug rivers in columns by the thousands; some also fled into the Soviet Union. This flight away from the sphere of German influence was facilitated by the circumstance that the Soviets originally also occupied the territory between the Vistula and Bug rivers as specified in the German-Soviet agreement on the division of Polish territory.

In the Eichmann “Trial” in Jerusalem, the Polish Juden Zwi Patscher andYakov Goldfine testified that the Germans drove Polish Jews marching four abreast in long columns onto the Soviet portion of occupied Poland. The
Judaica reported in a similar vein:
With the outbreak of the war in September, the Poles began to loot stores and
attack the Jews. […] the Jews were deported by the Germans [September 1939]
to the area under Soviet control on the other side of the San River. […] Those
who were deported to the Soviet Zone lived there in very difficult economic
conditions. In the summer of 1940 many of them were deported to the Soviet
interior.


The exact number of people who fled into Soviet territory or mass evicted is unknown but the number of Polish Js would be considerable less than 1,579,000. One could easily take off 179, 000 people which would leave a population of 1.4 million for the Germans to deal with. As 350 000 survived there is a missing population of 1.05 million.

In WWII Deaths directly caused by the war (including military and civilians killed) are estimated at 50–56 million people, while there were an additional estimated 19 to 28 million deaths from war-related disease and famine. WWII casualties The 19-28 million would be civilian populations, not shot, holocausted but death by disease and famine. Using the upper figures of 56 and 28 million deaths respectively, this means that 50% of war deaths were attributed to disease and famine. (lower figure is 38%)

1.4 million with a 50% mortality due to disease and famine means that 700,000 Js perished through war related disease and famine. Considering that 350,000 people (juden) survived means that there are 350 000 missing jüdisch Poles from the German sector.

The high deaths can be attributed to the severe winters, congenital diseases which Juden are prone to, lack of food and of course Typhus. Considering the appalling conditions these people found themselves in, fighting the Germans. Although the exact number of casualties is unknown, it is estimated that about 16,000 members of the Polish resistance were killed and about 6,000 badly wounded. In addition, between 150,000 and 200,000 Polish civilians died, mostly from mass executions.

This along with disease would account for the missing. There was no need for a Holocaust.
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Re: Soviet Deportations

Post by Norm » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:08 am

Now you're talking.

And don't forget the fact that the Soviet Military conscripted many men in their march west.
In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Re: Soviet Deportations

Post by been-there » Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:48 am

Huntinger wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:51 pm
Советские депортации
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The Soviet Union began deporting Polish citizens to Siberia on Feb 9, 1940. The deportations commenced four months and 23 days after they had annexed Eastern Poland; the Reich had invaded Poland 17 days prior to the Soviets (1 Sept, 1939). These annexed territories were subsequently incorporated into the Lithuanian, Byelorussian, and Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republics and remained within the Soviet Union in 1945. It is said that Poland originally had 3.3 million Js (3,351,000); once the country was carved into two the Reich had 1.98 million, while the Soviets had 1.32 million (60 and 40 percent respectively). The issue here is that there are two definitions of being jude: ethnic or religious. The number of Polish Js declined from 3,113,900 to 2,633,000, i.e. by 15.4%, between the end of 1931 and September 1939; the over inflated figure is somewhat incongruous.
The real figure is that the Reich had 1,579,000 jude while the Soviets had 1,053,200

The deportations to Siberia took place in four waves, with up to 1.5 million Poles deported, according to Tadeusz Piotrowski’s Poland’s Holocaust. Up to 400,000 Js were in those transports (other sources of course say less, especially the NKVD). Zionism was deemed counterrevolutionary, mass arrests, summary executions, and a general degradation of living standards occurred. The destinations of this human cargo was mainly Northern Kazakhstan and the vast reaches of Siberia.

Such statements as Poland once had a Jewish population of three million, 90% of whom were killed in Hitler's Holocaust. by Pawel Bramson are simply untrue. There is absolutely no mention by such people as to the involvement of dissolution by the Soviets. Wiki and other sources mention that 350 000 Polish Juden survived the war. The Soviets did not let their Js go back.

Many more Js were forced over the Sans and Bug rivers in columns by the thousands; some also fled into the Soviet Union. This flight away from the sphere of German influence was facilitated by the circumstance that the Soviets originally also occupied the territory between the Vistula and Bug rivers as specified in the German-Soviet agreement on the division of Polish territory.

In the Eichmann “Trial” in Jerusalem, the Polish Juden Zwi Patscher andYakov Goldfine testified that the Germans drove Polish Jews marching four abreast in long columns onto the Soviet portion of occupied Poland. The Judaica reported in a similar vein:
With the outbreak of the war in September, the Poles began to loot stores and
attack the Jews. […] the Jews were deported by the Germans [September 1939]
to the area under Soviet control on the other side of the San River. […]
Those who were deported to the Soviet Zone lived there in very difficult economic conditions.
In the summer of 1940 many of them were deported to the Soviet interior.


The exact number of people who fled into Soviet territory or mass evicted is unknown but the number of Polish Js would be considerable less than 1,579,000. One could easily take off 179, 000 people which would leave a population of 1.4 million for the Germans to deal with. As 350 000 survived there is a missing population of 1.05 million.

In WWII Deaths directly caused by the war (including military and civilians killed) are estimated at 50–56 million people, while there were an additional estimated 19 to 28 million deaths from war-related disease and famine. WWII casualties The 19-28 million would be civilian populations, not shot, holocausted but death by disease and famine. Using the upper figures of 56 and 28 million deaths respectively, this means that 50% of war deaths were attributed to disease and famine. (lower figure is 38%)

1.4 million with a 50% mortality due to disease and famine means that 700,000 Js perished through war related disease and famine. Considering that 350,000 people (juden) survived means that there are 350 000 missing jüdisch Poles from the German sector.

The high deaths can be attributed to the severe winters, congenital diseases which Juden are prone to, lack of food and of course Typhus. Considering the appalling conditions these people found themselves in, fighting the Germans. Although the exact number of casualties is unknown, it is estimated that about 16,000 members of the Polish resistance were killed and about 6,000 badly wounded. In addition, between 150,000 and 200,000 Polish civilians died, mostly from mass executions.

This along with disease would account for the missing. There was no need for a Holocaust.
Thanks for this.
But what about the other Jews living in other Axis-occupied countries? Those from Germany, France, Italy, Hungary, etc.
How to explain that?

Here is what a Wikipedia article currently claims:
Poland, home of the world's largest Jewish community before the war, lost 3,300,000 (90%) of its Jewish population.

Greece, Yugoslavia, Hungary, Lithuania, Bohemia, the Netherlands, Slovakia and Latvia lost over 70% of their Jewish populations.
Belgium, Romania, Luxembourg, Norway, and Estonia, the figure was about 50%.

Over one-third of the Soviet Union's Jews were killed [over 33%].
France lost about 25% of its Jewish population.
Italy between 15% and 20%.
Denmark evacuated nearly all of its Jews to nearby neutral Sweden.
Jews outside Europe under Axis occupation were also affected by the Holocaust in Italian Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, Iraq, Japan, and China.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims
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Re: Soviet Deportations

Post by Huntinger » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:00 am

been-there wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:48 am
But what about the other Jews living in other Axis-occupied countries? Those from Germany, France, Italy, Hungary, etc.
How to explain that?
I deliberately put in the Hungarian assimilation of citizens into the Soviet Union; due to the still closed information much data is unknown and of course many people were intercepted and dealt with in one way or another by those with NKVD authority; I am sure those dealings were not riparian entertainment.
On this post I deliberately concentrated on Polish Juden to compare and contrast with what was said against the facts. Sadly these people were caught up in a maelstrom of political thought, ideology, religion; which ever way they turned they were damned: to me this is the true holocaust and extremely sad.
In this context I will give data regarding those countries and their populations with further investigation.
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