No evidence of mass graves at Treblinka II

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Re: No evidence of mass graves at Treblinka II

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Turnagain wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:35 pm
Norm wrote:'
Again, mass graves have either been located / proven to exist at T II or they have not. If they actually have been located / proven to exist, then they are either in their original state, or an altered state - I.e. LARGER than their original state. Larger in depth, width and length. Any alleged "original mass grave" would then have to be able to "fit" into any alleged "huge mass grave" allegedly discovered by CSC.
Buh...buh...but Norm, everyone knows that if a pit is dug up and then filled in with dirt, the pit disappears and can't be located with GPR. Just because CS-C didn't find any mass graves as described by the eyewitnesses doesn't mean that they didn't ever exist.
You ignore that a large area of disturbed ground was traced by GPR, in the areas around the memorial that could be surveyed. No wonder, since that evidence is very inconvenient for you.
Just because there wasn't any room to build the stockpiles of ex doesn't mean that the aerial photos don't show the mass graves.
The 1944 aerial photo shows rectangular shapes in the ground where there are no structures and a large area that had been excavated and planted over, just as witnesses described how the Nazis tried as much as possible to cover up what they had been doing there.
C'mon, Nessie has just oodles of explanations for how the ever so clever but eeevul Narzis knew how it was done.
No, I have evidence. Unlike you. You never did manage to explain how you can establish absolute truths with no evidence.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Re: No evidence of mass graves at Treblinka II

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Nessie wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:36 pm
No, I have evidence. Unlike you. You never did manage to explain how you can establish absolute truths with no evidence.
This is not a thread on evidencing. Speak only of the topic at hand please. Do you have any hard evidence of mass graves as opposed to minor ground disturbances which could be anything.

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Re: No evidence of mass graves at Treblinka II

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Nessie wrote:
He did document his findings.
Uh-huh, he documented his investigation just like the Germans did at Katyn. Oh, wait a minute...

No cremains, no graves, no holyhoax. Finito. End of story.

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Turnagain wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:56 pm
Nessie wrote:
He did document his findings.
Uh-huh, he documented his investigation just like the Germans did at Katyn. Oh, wait a minute...

No cremains, no graves, no holyhoax. Finito. End of story.
I doubt very much you have read either report, let alone understood them to make any sort of comparison. Your bias means you will accept the Nazi report wholeheartedly and reject the Polish report because it says what you do not want to hear.
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Re: No evidence of mass graves at Treblinka II

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Nessie:
The 1944 aerial photo shows rectangular shapes in the ground
Thus proving that the Germans didn't cover the camp "with a thick layer of sand."

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In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Nessie:
Your bias means you will... reject the Polish report
That would be the report that concluded:

During the work on the terrain, I found no mass graves

Which was corroborated by both Krege and CSC.
In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Re: No evidence of mass graves at Treblinka II

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Nessie wrote:
I doubt very much you have read either report, let alone understood them to make any sort of comparison.
Have as many doubts or opinions you have wish, Nessie. The fact is that the political hack wrote his report with no substantiation whatsoever.

No cremains, no graves, no holyhoax. Finito. End of story.

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Turnagain wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:36 pm
Nessie wrote:
I doubt very much you have read either report, let alone understood them to make any sort of comparison.
Have as many doubts or opinions you have wish, Nessie. The fact is that the political hack wrote his report with no substantiation whatsoever.

No cremains, no graves, no holyhoax. Finito. End of story.
Lukaszkiewicz is corroborated by photos, local Poles and the later day site examination. He is also corroborated by the Nazis who worked there! You are happy to accept their evidence, when it comes to graves the Soviets dug, but not graves they dug!

What there is really no evidence of is no ground disturbances. You side stepped my question about why you do not use Krege's claim of no trace of ground disturbances.

https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/o ... stigation/

You have accepted that there would likely have been graves at the camp. You run from the aerial photo which clearly shows disturbed ground. You run from the GPR image in the C S-C thesis which shows five large areas of dug ground next to the memorial.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Re: No evidence of mass graves at Treblinka II

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Nessie:
Lukaszkiewicz is corroborated by photos, local Poles and the later day site examination.
What is the deepest pit that Lukaszkiewicz located / proved existed at T II?

Nessie:
the GPR image in the C S-C thesis which shows five large areas of dug ground next to the memorial.
How deep are those pits Nessie?
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In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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We expect there to be graves somewhere in the area as people died. People were rife with infectious diseases for which 40% perished, probably more when this is combined with congenital hereditary medical disorders. In most cases of fabrication there is some element of truth, except when it comes to the nitty gritty which is where the Polish Soviet problem comes in. They were still covering themselves for Katyn and trying their hardest to frame the Reich.

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